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KLM To Send B772 To IAD, A332 To JFK  
User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4497 posts, RR: 72
Posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5044 times:

As part of ongoing changes to its transatlantic network, KLM has reshuffled some of its aircraft among its core transatlantic routes. As of July 01, 2007, KLM will open a third daily frequency between its Amsterdam homebase and New York's JFK airport. Because of this extra frequency, capacity on the existing JFK flights will be reduced with the withdrawal of the B772 and the introduction of the A332 on the routes. Here is the schedule for AMS JFK for next summer:

KL641 AMS JFK 1330 1545 - daily, A332
KL642 JFK AMS 1820 0800 - daily, A332

KL643 AMS JFK 1820 2015 - daily, EQV (mix of B74E, B744 and B772)
KL644 JFK AMS 2210 1120 - daily, EQV (mix of B74E, B744 and B772)

KL645 AMS JFK 1015 1230 - daily, A332
KL646 JFK AMS 1620 0600 - daily, A332

The B772ER aircraft that was previously used on the daily KL641/642 JFK roundtrip will subsequently be shifted to the airline's daily Washington Dulles flight, marking a surprising increase in capacity on that route. As from July 1, here is what the schedule will look like:

KL651 AMS IAD 1315 1530 - daily, B772
KL652 IAD AMS 1800 0735 - daily, B772

In addition to the changes above, KLM and its transatlantic partner Northwest Airlines, are introducing another couple of changes to their respective routes, many of which were already discussed in here. Here is a short overview:


  • LAX - addition of 5 weekly roundtrips to the existing daily roundtrip. These additional flights operated with B772 according to the following schedule:

    KL603 AMS LAX 0810 1020 - 5 weekly, B772
    KL604 LAX AMS 1220 0800 - 5 weekly, B772

  • SFO - upgrade of capacity from the current MD11 to a B744 full pax version ;

  • ATL - upgrade from the current B763ER to A332 effective December 30, 2006. This flight operates 5 times weekly in winter and daily in summer ;

  • YYZ - addition of 5 weekly roundtrips to the existing daily roundtrip. These additional flights operated with B772 according to the following schedule:

    KL695 AMS YYZ 1820 2025 - 5 weekly, B772
    KL696 YYZ AMS 2225 1135 - 5 weekly, B772

  • YVR - capacity upgrade from A332 to MD11 ;


Also some changes in the Northwest operated flights:

  • DTW - addition of one extra roundtrip for a total of 5 daily flights. This additional flight operated by B752. All flights operated by NW ;

  • BOS - addition of one extra roundtrip for a total of 2 daily flights. This additional flight operated by B752. All flights operated by NW ;

  • EWR - addition of one extra roundtrip for a total of 2 daily flights. This additional flight operated by B752. The existing KLM flight KL657/658 will remain in the schedule and will be operated by a KLM A332, but the current schedule might change as it operates very closely to the new NW operated flight. KLM is currently looking for appropriate slots and gate space at EWR. The flight is most likely changing to an evening departure ;

  • BDL - new flight, operated daily by NW B752 ;


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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5033 times:

I wish KL brought the 772ER to SFO...I miss those days..... Sad


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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6500 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4764 times:

Great news!

Thanks for the info, looking forward to seeing KL 777s both at IAD and at LAX!

The777Man



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8282 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4607 times:
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JFK should have a 744 on one flight daily, as a passenger that likes Jumbo I always take the KLM 747 from JFK.

User currently offlineVirginia From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4584 times:

HB-IWC

Wow, that's a rather big increase seats on the SFo route.
What's the reason for this.

Personally do like the early morning flight to LAX, that will be a great success i think, 1st European flight arrving into LAX.


Regards Virginia


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4336 times:

The adjustments make sense.....KL will now have three widebody flights per day into JFK so downsizing the aircraft on one of the existing flights is sensible. The market can only absorb so many extra seats before yeilds and load factors start becoming problematic. Good move by KLM, especially when considering that EWR is also getting an additional 752 flight from AMS (operated by partner NW). KL/NW will have 1 777/744/74E, 3 A332s and 1 752 per day between AMS and the NYC area, thats a big jump in capacity over just a few years ago.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 3):
JFK should have a 744 on one flight daily, as a passenger that likes Jumbo I always take the KLM 747 from JFK.

KL641 is a special flight in KL/Netherlands culture, its a service where many passengers (especially Dutch) expect the newest-largest equipment from KLM.....as that flight was KL's first transtalantic connection. A couple of years ago, NW operated the JFK-AMS turn at the traditional KL641/642 times, and the Dutch public was outraged, there were quite a few newspaper articles in the Dutch press about this.

But times change, and the A332 is probably far better suited for the JFK-AMS flight, especially now that three flights per day will operate on the route.

Quoting Virginia (Reply 4):
Personally do like the early morning flight to LAX, that will be a great success i think, 1st European flight arrving into LAX.

Its going to be interesting to see if this flight works.....there are limited connection possibilities to support this flight and the new early AMS-LAX flight departs before the first European arrival bank.


User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3162 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4310 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 5):
there are limited connection possibilities to support this flight and the new early AMS-LAX flight departs before the first European arrival bank.

And on the other hand, it is perfect for some other, important flights for the LAX market: (arrival time in current schedule, so might change but still)

KWI 5:50
DXB 5:40
NBO: 5:30
ADD: 5:50
BOM: 6:50
DEL: 5:50
BAH: 5:45
DMM: 6:20

I wouldn't be surprised if these flights are important contributors to the LAX flights; when they are connected to the early morning (together with local departures), it frees up quite some capacity to serve the European market (and some other l/h's) with the afternoon flight.


User currently offlinePlunafan From Uruguay, joined Jul 2005, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4223 times:

Today 10/18 the KL657/658 was operated by 747. Anyone knows why?

User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4207 times:

Quoting Plunafan (Reply 7):
Today 10/18 the KL657/658 was operated by 747. Anyone knows why?

This flight is ocasionally upgraded due to loads, it's not the first time.



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User currently offlineRicardoFG From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 677 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4193 times:

YYZ is growing and growing...i love it...just wish the GTAA would let it grow a bit more.

User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4497 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks ago) and read 4105 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 5):
Its going to be interesting to see if this flight works.....there are limited connection possibilities to support this flight and the new early AMS-LAX flight departs before the first European arrival bank.



Quoting Joost (Reply 6):
And on the other hand, it is perfect for some other, important flights for the LAX market: (arrival time in current schedule, so might change but still)

KWI 5:50
DXB 5:40
NBO: 5:30
ADD: 5:50
BOM: 6:50
DEL: 5:50
BAH: 5:45
DMM: 6:20

I wouldn't be surprised if these flights are important contributors to the LAX flights; when they are connected to the early morning (together with local departures), it frees up quite some capacity to serve the European market (and some other l/h's) with the afternoon flight.

The new LAX early morning departure is part of a number of new flights around that time, including new additions to BOS and EWR, both operated by NW and the existing DTW flight. KL/NW are trying to counter an increasing number of nonstops between Africa, the Middle East, and the Indian Subcontinent and the US by offering this new early morning departure wave, which offers minimum connecting times for passengers transiting in AMS from overnight longhauls.

The new flights represent quite a risky venture on behalf of KLM and Northwest as there is virtually no European feed for these departures and as such these flights will entirely depend on longhaul connections from destinations like DEL, DXB, AUH, DMM, BAH, KWI, DOH, KRT, ADD, ACC, LOS, NBO and EBB as well as on the local market.

It remains to be seen whether this experiment will actually work out as expected. I, for one, expect the new LAX connection to be quickly rescheduled to the 10am departure wave so that it can benefit from the first wave of European arrivals.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4497 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks ago) and read 4094 times:

Quoting Plunafan (Reply 7):
Today 10/18 the KL657/658 was operated by 747. Anyone knows why?



Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 8):
This flight is ocasionally upgraded due to loads, it's not the first time.

The flight was not upgraded for high loads but because one of the A332s has been unserviceable for a couple of days now. Two days ago, KLM had to cancel an AMS KWI roundtrip operated by A332, and the airline has since taken one A332 out of the schedule and sent a B74E combi to EWR as KL657/658 yesterday. Today a B744 full pax will make the roundtrip because it is the only spare aircraft. The loads on the flights are actually rather light.


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6093 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks ago) and read 4094 times:

Virginia: Summer season is high demand for San Francisco. AF also increases seats to SFO during the high season. AF/KL seem to be the only carriers though that change seasonally. I'm sure KL will downgrade back to a 772 or MD11 around Oct '07 when demand drops.

ASLAX



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User currently offlineLamedianaranja From Venezuela, joined Nov 2004, 1246 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3848 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 11):
Today a B744 full pax will make the roundtrip because it is the only spare aircraft.

They may have been sorry later today as all of a sudden another B747 went out of service and KL809 was cancelled as a result.
Source: www.schiphol.nl



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User currently offlineNYC-air From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3719 times:

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the 747s lack PTVs in Y. If this is the case it makes sense to deploy more A332s and 777s (both of which have PTVs) on runs to the highly competitive, flagship NYC market. Now I know that KLM has a sizable cargo operation at JFK which necessitates the use of 744 Combis. Hopefully KLM will install PTVs in its entire long haul fleet soon, so as to provide consistent service on all aircraft.

~NYC-AIR


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