EZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4973 posts, RR: 24 Posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 17631 times:
A 5-month baby died on an Air Madrid flight that covered EZE-MAD last thursday . According to first reports, the baby died shortly after having powder milk with water provided by the company. The mother, Yanina Castro, claims that there were no doctors on board while Air Madrid GM in Argentina, Carlos Trellez, says that the baby was trated by five doctors that were on the flight, and that there is no evidence yet that the water had anything to do with the tragedy, and that "until the results of the autopsy are given, there should be no spoeculations because this is a very serious case". http://www.lanacion.com.ar/EdicionIm...iongeneral/nota.asp?nota_id=850322
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13390 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 17572 times:
What a sad story, but I suspect this has happened before. Any baby at that very young age is still at risk for a number of illnesses, including SIDS and flaws in their bodies not known or with any signs to doctors. All possibilities must be investigated including a through autopacy, examination of the formula, the water used and of the mother's personal life. Of course it causes some significant issues as this occured on an aircraft, with the mother, in international airspace. Let's hope the cause of this baby's death is determined and just something natural.
Iberia340600 From Spain, joined Oct 2003, 804 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 16575 times:
It says in the paper that "After drinking the milk, the baby did not want to sleep, didnt feel well, had a fever, lips were discolored, and was not breathing properly". Sounds a little strange that all that would come on right after drinking the milk. Couldnt it be that the baby was already sick? I mean a natural reaction if something does not agree with you is to throw up...although I am not a doctor.
Airfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 16574 times:
"Hasta que no estén los resultados de la autopsia, éste es un caso muy grave como para realizar especulaciones sobre las causas del deceso", aseñaló Trellez. "No estuve en el vuelo, pero de acuerdo con las declaraciones de la madre sobre la falta de oxígeno en el avión, hay que decir que todos los aviones tienen oxígeno, sólo había que bajar las mascarillas de emergencia", dijo Trellez.
My spanish is a little rusty but it apears that the mother is saying the Air plane did not have oxygen for emergency medical use on board. The company clames that all there planes have emergency oxygen.
LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13966 posts, RR: 49
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 16534 times:
Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 8): My spanish is a little rusty but it apears that the mother is saying the Air plane did not have oxygen for emergency medical use on board. The company clames that all there planes have emergency oxygen.
You're correct. The mother complained about no oxigen being available while the NM rep said there was oxigen available and that they only needed to lower the emergency oxigen masks (likely those used in case of cabin depressurisation).
But why lower those emergency masks? Didn't they have a separate oxigen supply for medical emergencies?
TeamAmerica From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 1761 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 16461 times:
Quoting Iberia340600 (Reply 7): "After drinking the milk, the baby did not want to sleep, didnt feel well, had a fever, lips were discolored, and was not breathing properly". Sounds a little strange that all that would come on right after drinking the milk.
That actually sounds very much like an allergic reaction. http://www.foodallergy.org/anaphylaxis/index.html
I'm sure the proper authorities will determine if the powdered milk contributed to this. I would be interested to know if the was first time the baby had drunk that particular product. Very sad.
EZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4973 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 16324 times:
As for now everything is speculation on what coud have caused the tragedy. Also, I have not found any additional info on Argentine press, so does anyone know at what stage of the flight this could have happened? The EZE-MAD Air Madrid flight stops at Fortaleza before crossing the Atlantic. Unless this happened in the last hour, where there is no point of diverting, there are some places where the aircraft could have landed such as Cabo Verde or Dakar, or maybe even return to Brazil. And I'm speculating here, but if this happened right after feeding the baby, I'm pretty sure that it was not in the last few moments of the flight. Again, I am just speculating since I have no further info, but it seems to me that the flight could have been diverted (although from the looks of it, the tragedy would have not been avoided because everything happened too fast). What is the regulation for these cases. especially once a person has died?
B777A340Fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 780 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 15766 times:
I don't think a baby that young should be allowed to fly. As one said above, a baby that young is susceptible to various airborne illnesses, especially in such tight environment. Could very well have been an allergic reaction, but to the water? This story doesn't make sense... I think it's not the water because other passengers would've gotten sick as well. Bottom line, I don't think it's the airline's fault. Again, just a guess.
Shankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1554 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 15148 times:
Remember the first time I took my son on an airliner when he was four months old. As we thundered down the runway at LGW I thought "what are you doing!?" However reality quickly checked. Hundreds if not thousands of infants fly throughout the world day in day out without problems. Hundreds however die on the roads. This is an extremely sad story and the despair of Ms Castro must be unbearable.
I've flown with my two kids years ago when one was 11 days old and the other 3 months old. I've also been on many flights where there have been young babies. This has nothing to do with the age of the baby, it's more likely to be the formula, water or a birth defect.
EASTERN747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 674 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 14444 times:
Please correct me if I am wrong, but most carriers today have bottled water on the carts and don't rely on potable water excpt for coffee. Somehow i also got the impression the formula was supplied by the carrier..doesn't make sense.
777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 14159 times:
Next december i'll fly BOG-MIA-BOG (3.5 hr flight) with my 9 months old baby, and I'll do it with no hesitation. I think bad luck got into the equation in this case, very, very sad, only a parent can really imagine this kind of pain the mother is going through. QEPD.
Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
MarkHKG From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 14030 times:
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 9): But why lower those emergency masks? Didn't they have a separate oxigen supply for medical emergencies?
You are correct. The rep seems to be mistaken. There is drop-down oxygen, but there is also theraputic oxygen carried in portable bottles. Most, if not all, passenger carrying aircraft should have portable oxygen. It's possible that they may not have had an oxygen mask size suitable for the infant, but they should have had an oxygen tank to bring to the patient.
Release your seat-belts and get out! Leave everything!
DZ09 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 493 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12990 times:
All my kids flew transatlantic when they were just a few months old. It sounds that the poor baby had a pre-existing condition, most likely a heart condition and did not adjust to the pressurisation. Man this is terrible.
Brenintw From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1792 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12390 times:
Quoting ABpositive (Reply 19): I wonder if the airlines have adrenaline for treating anaphylaxis
It's highly unlikely -- medical adrenaline needs to be refrigerated at all times, has a relatively short useful life and if the incorrect type can cause even worse complications. IIRC, medical adrenaline can be sourced from various animals -- I know for example that some anti-venom is obtained from horses, and if the recipient is allergic to horses, the side-effects are worse than the original snake-bite (in this case, they use anti-venom sourced from rabbits).
My cousin is highly allergic to nuts, but she can't carry adrenaline with her because of the storage requirements ... makes it really difficult to take her out for a meal!
I'm tired of the A vs. B sniping. Neither make planes that shed wings randomly!
Dampfnudel From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11563 times:
On a related note, I always thought it was better to wait until a child was at least 6 months old to fly because of the child's fragile eardrum. At least that's what my mom's doctor said when I was born back in the 70s.