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Whats Up With This Fokker? (photo)  
User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 10195 times:

I know, bad pun but what is the deal. Do they actually have tow trucks for planes and why is it up so high. I know they use tractors to position aircraft but I have never seen one lifted so high.


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User currently offlineDogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 10166 times:

Just guessing here, but I wonder if it has anything to do with tail clearance and the hangar door?

Thanks
Mike


User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1811 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 10121 times:

IIRC, that is the old WWII era hangar at LEY. and the entrance is high enough for an F27.

Besides, I don't know why they need to take it into that hangar.

I cannot imagine why that Fokker is like that.



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6411 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 10011 times:

Maybe they had a bunch of guys pile into the back of the plane (aft of the Center of Gravity) so that the plane's rudder would clear the hangar doors  Smile

When I initially saw this picture, I figured it was some obscure European or Soviet type that was a high-winged twin turbine airliner with a taildragger landing gear config  Wink



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User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3376 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 9763 times:

The tail is just a bit too high to get through the door. So I believe a forklift was used to raise the nose, lowering the tail just enough to push it in.


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User currently offlineATCT From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2308 posts, RR: 38
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 9640 times:

We do this with a Cessna 185 on floats at my home airports. Just get two guys to lift up on the front of the floats, tail comes down, plane goes in.

Hangar rash waiting to happen!

ATCT



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User currently offlineNonfirm From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 434 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 9625 times:

That is done to get the tail past the front of the hangar.I use to watch this process with a DC-8.It is a sight to see in person with an airplane that big.  airplane 

User currently offlineCcrlR From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 9476 times:
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Quoting KELPkid (Reply 3):
Maybe they had a bunch of guys pile into the back of the plane (aft of the Center of Gravity) so that the plane's rudder would clear the hangar doors

We had that happen with a learjet. Let's just say that the tail was damaged(strakes on the bottom). It was tail heavy and someone had accidentally walked back into the aft portion of the cabin and the plane's nose went up. Everybody was ok and the plane was repaired. I noticed that the clearance was low for the tail of the fokker. Sometimes with smaller aircraft people push the tail down to turn the plane if they were trying to get it into a parking spot.



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User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 42
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9255 times:

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 2):
the entrance is high enough for an F27.

Hi guys.
This is how we park the F27 inside as the old ww2 style hangar is no way near high enough.
It's done with a forklift and special tool attached.
Will post another photo here tonight.

Have fun,
Willem Honders



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User currently offlineFlyinTLow From Germany, joined Oct 2004, 524 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7930 times:

Pictures of the same thing happening are available with DE B767s in Frankfurt.


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User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6663 times:

Britt Airways used to have to do the same thing to fit their Fairchild F-27s and FH-227s into their maintenance hangar in Bloomington, Illinois as the 27 foot tall tail would not clear the doors....

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User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6449 times:

it happens more often than you might think... i did it with an L-39 in california at an airshow this past year.


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User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3149 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4641 times:

I knew what this thread was about when I saw

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Thread starter):
Whats Up With This Fokker? (photo)

on the homepage...
Don't want to sound rude or/and like a teacher but reading the photocomments can be helpful very much

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A visitor from United States posted Wed October 18, 2006:
It caught my attention because of the unusual angle from which it was taken. I later realized that the aircraft is being towed but is tail heavy.

A visitor from Belgium posted Wed October 18, 2006:
The tail would strike the hangar if the nose weren't lifted  Smile

A visitor from Sweden posted Wed October 18, 2006:
More like fin clearance than tail clearance :P
Nice shot!

A visitor from Netherlands posted Wed October 18, 2006:
The aircraft is being townd in to the hangar  Smile just useally stuff

A visitor from Finland posted Wed October 18, 2006:
Ready to take off... about too early...  Wink Great shot!

A visitor from United States posted Wed October 18, 2006:
I would also think it is for tail clearance issues. Great shot!

A visitor from United States posted Wed October 18, 2006:
A new "Low Rider" for the LAX market?

A visitor from Hungary posted Wed October 18, 2006:
The hangar door opening might be too low. Lifting the nose, the tail goes down...

A visitor from United States posted Wed October 18, 2006:
Yup, to have the tail clear the top of the hangar door...

A visitor from United States posted Wed October 18, 2006:
Judging from the two bar, this aircraft is being placed in/out of the hanger. By lifting this up as seen, you eliminate the threat of a strike while the aircraft is being taken in or out. My guess.

Georg


User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 42
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4148 times:

ok as promised some more photos to show what it really looks like.
http://www.honders.net/tmp/fhf_mg_1491.jpg

http://www.honders.net/tmp/fhf_mg_1495.jpg

http://www.honders.net/tmp/fhf_mg_1500.jpg

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 2):
Besides, I don't know why they need to take it into that hangar.

Because summer season is done and we want to do some mx during winter for which we have no time right now as we have other things to do as well.

Now this thingy doesn't fit either, not because it is to high but way to wide.

http://www.honders.net/tmp/749_mg_1530.jpg

So what to do next ?
Well make yourself a pair of giant steel roller skates 
http://www.honders.net/tmp/749_mg_1513.jpg

and shuffle it outside side ways for an engine test.

http://www.honders.net/tmp/749_mg_1552.jpg

Cool isn't it ?
ps. click on the photos to get them a little bigger.

Have fun,
Willem

[Edited 2006-10-19 20:24:30]

[Edited 2006-10-19 20:26:23]


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User currently offlinePHKRS From Netherlands, joined Nov 2004, 45 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4042 times:

Old ladies need some help to get moving; but once they are...
Great pics, thx and see you saturday !

Klaas R S


User currently offlineBlast From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 121 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4017 times:

Cool pics! I never knew all this!

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 2):
IIRC, that is the old WWII era hangar at LEY.

LEY was water still during WWII, wasn't it??


User currently offlinePHKRS From Netherlands, joined Nov 2004, 45 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3978 times:

Quote:
LEY was water still during WWII, wasn't it??

Yes, LEY is below sealevel; the area was reclaimed from a lake (former sea) in 1957.
The WWII-style 'T2-hangar' was built in 2002 on purpose for Aviodrome Aviation Themepark at LEY.

[Edited 2006-10-19 21:26:26]

User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 42
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3951 times:

Quoting Blast (Reply 15):
LEY was water still during WWII, wasn't it??

Yes that's true.
It was called the Southern sea which was in direct contact with the North Sea.
Due to frequent flooding it was closed off from the North Sea in the north with a 32km dike in the twenties.
This turned the Southern Sea into a lake named IJselmeer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afsluitdijk

The reclaiming of land started well before ww2 but the 1000 km² area which now holds Lelystad was reclaimed after ww2.
Still the hangar is exactly build as an ww2 style hangar from which many can be found in the UK I suppose.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuiderzee_Works

Thanks and see you Saturday Klaas.

Willem

[Edited 2006-10-19 21:34:00]


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User currently offlineSA006 From South Africa, joined Sep 2003, 1883 posts, RR: 54
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3905 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Thread starter):
Cool isn't it ?

What a beauty! I hope they continue doing scenic trips in this aircraft (if they still do) since I'm planning on visiting Holland next year. Would be great to take a flight on her.

-SA006



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User currently offlinePHKRS From Netherlands, joined Nov 2004, 45 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3879 times:

Quoting SA006 (Reply 18):
Would be great to take a flight on her.

The Dutch Connie is not available for passenger flights, however you can take a trip with the F-27: check www.aviodrome.nl next spring for flights (as Willem said, this F-27 is now inside for some mx during winter)

Klaas R S


User currently offlineFokker70NG From Netherlands, joined Nov 2005, 234 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3781 times:

Quoting SA006 (Reply 18):
What a beauty! I hope they continue doing scenic trips in this aircraft (if they still do) since I'm planning on visiting Holland next year. Would be great to take a flight on her.

Unfortunately she's not available for passenger flights like Klaas said, but with a little bit of luck you'll be able to see her fly. The planning is to have her flying next year.

I can really recommend you to pay the museum a visit though, besides the Connie there's the last flying DC-2 in the world, 3 DC-3's, a lot of Fokkers and much more. And of course you can make a sightseeing flight on the F27 and also the Catalina, which is quite spectacular from what I've heard.



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User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 42
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3516 times:

Quoting Fokker70NG (Reply 20):
And of course you can make a sightseeing flight on the F27

Joost you forgot to mention the An-2, Fokker S11, Fouga Magister.

Quoting Fokker70NG (Reply 20):
also the Catalina, which is quite spectacular from what I've heard.

It's awesome believe me, racing over the water with some 75kts is an experience you won't forget easily.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3475 times:

Nice pics.
as Explained purpose is to get the Aircraft through the Low Ceiling Door of the Hangar.
regds
MEL



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