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Future Of B6 At PIT  
User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9259 posts, RR: 21
Posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4147 times:

Ah, what the heck, perhaps a bit premature, but... here it is...

It has been almost 4 months since B6 began service to JFK and BOS, and I am just curious what B6's long term plans, if any, are for PIT. Will they grow to fly to other destinations from PIT such as IAD or FLA markets? (I would say BUR but they are slots restricted I believe.) Will they just remain JFK/BOS airline, which probably seems to be the most likely at this point? Will they reduce any service?

This should be an interesting thread. If it was discussed before, my apologies!!!


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User currently offlineOakjam From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4128 times:

From my point of view I don't think B6 will take a chance at expanding to other areas unless there is demand. I could see PIT-Florida services, but to the West Coast I highly doubt it.

I could think maybe FLL or TPA from PIT. I think that B6 will expand out West and connect the dots a little better. I don't think PIT will be high on the priority list. Here my nearby Airport is OAK, when the T2 extension is done here at OAK...I can see B6 snatching up at least another 2 Gates(out of the 4).


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9259 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4081 times:

Quoting Oakjam (Reply 1):
From my point of view I don't think B6 will take a chance at expanding to other areas unless there is demand. I could see PIT-Florida services, but to the West Coast I highly doubt it.

That is my thinking as well. As I said in the original post, I was thinking of California expansion with BUR, but ONE, they're slots restricted, and TWO, I don't think there is demand for that market anyway out of PIT.

FLL and TPA seem likely on top of a possible/likely addition of IAD. If B6 flies out to CA from PIT, I suppose OAK would be the likely airport.



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6183 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4056 times:

PIT-BUR What in the world? That is a very unlikley route on B6. USAir never even served that market. BUR is not slot restricted by the way. I think you have it mistaken with LGB, which is restricted on larger commercial aircraft slots.

ASLAX



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User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3010 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3980 times:

PIT-JFK/BOS have been poor performers so far. I think JetBlue needs to see some more passengers on those flights (not at those ridiculously discounted $49 fares) before they do any more expanding there.

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User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3887 times:

BUR is not slot restricted. However, it has restricted hours and few gates, most of them taken up by WN.

User currently offlinePIT757 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3732 times:

I did a day trip PIT-BOS-PIT on Jet Blue about a month ago and loads were terrible. About 10 people on the flight to BOS and about 30 people on the flight back to PIT. The service was great and loved the Direct TV and XM Satilite radio. Loved flying on the E190. I sure hope the people here in Pittsburgh take advantage of Jet Blues service. I dont read the paper or watch much t.v. Has Jet Blue done any advertising at all here in Pittsburgh?

User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3674 times:

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 4):
PIT-JFK/BOS have been poor performers so far.

Well it may have something to do with the fact that FFs prefer to use Alliance carriers to achieve global awards. Especially if they have accumulated status through the years - as on US at PIT. The JFK route probably falls into the same category, even though US doesn't fly there, it does serve EWR and LGA from PIT. It'll probably take quite awhile to wean PIT FFs away from US. AND if US sees a drop in revenue due to JB, they may just start PIT-LGW service - to add a "little" incentive. smile 

[Edited 2006-10-20 02:12:13]

User currently offlineRjnut From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3640 times:

PIT is so stubborn!

But with Jet Blue now in all major GDS(Worldspan effective tonite) the chances of success are much better!!

My platinum elite plus, plus plus client( as high as you can go on Northwest) has finally realized how worthless these FF programs are..He has a bizillion miles and cant use them ever without using "rule buster" miles, so anyone still buying into these programs is a FOOL!!

Wake-up PIT,,you still aren't going to CUN in Feb or Mar and taking the family with you using your 'whatever the heck they US prgram is called"!!!!!


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9259 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3637 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 3):
I think you have it mistaken with LGB, which is restricted on larger commercial aircraft slots.

Yes, it was Long Beach I was thinking of... My bad for confusing that with BUR.. somehow...

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 4):
(not at those ridiculously discounted $49 fares)

I thought it was $64 and $79 from PIT to JFK and BOS respectively...

Quoting PIT757 (Reply 6):
I did a day trip PIT-BOS-PIT on Jet Blue about a month ago and loads were terrible. About 10 people on the flight to BOS and about 30 people on the flight back to PIT. The service was great and loved the Direct TV and XM Satilite radio. Loved flying on the E190. I sure hope the people here in Pittsburgh take advantage of Jet Blues service. I dont read the paper or watch much t.v. Has Jet Blue done any advertising at all here in Pittsburgh?

I see ads on the post-gazette web page advertising "Fly jetBlue to New York and Boston for $69 one way," er something of the type...

Quoting Vega (Reply 7):
It'll probably take quite awhile to wean PIT FFs away from US. AND if US sees a drop in revenue due to JB, they may just start PIT-LGW service - to add a "little" incentive.

Hmmmm... intriguing...

You seem to know quite a bit about aviation, especially US, do tell me how US would bring back service on a route they said was not profitable when they're losing FF domestically to other carriers... Or was PIT-LGW profitable??? Aagh, this might get off topic, but eh, oh well...

Quoting Rjnut (Reply 8):
Wake-up PIT,,you still aren't going to CUN in Feb or Mar and taking the family with you using your 'whatever the heck they US prgram is called"!!!!!

FF programs are nothing more than just some pain in the ass thing to entice pax to fly their airline IMO. I don't buy into that, and I most likely never will...

[Edited 2006-10-20 02:44:20]


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User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2081 posts, RR: 36
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3603 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 9):
FF programs are nothing more than just some pain in the ass thing to entice pax to fly their airline IMO. I don't buy into that, and I most likely never will...

Frequent flier programs are successful for a reason, it works for the airline and it works for the passengers. I've flown to London, Steamboat Springs, Tampa, Miami, and Honolulu all on frequent flier miles for nothing more than 10 dollar booking fee. Definitely not a pain in the ass, more like a cost effective way to travel. I've found AAdvantage to be especially useful.

Quoting Vega (Reply 7):
AND if US sees a drop in revenue due to JB, they may just start PIT-LGW service - to add a "little" incentive

How is that a strike back at B6, especially since they don't fly to London? I think that if any Pittsburgh-ites agree on one thing, Frankfurt would be first to come back as it stayed around the longest anyway.


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9259 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3580 times:

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 10):
Definitely not a pain in the ass, more like a cost effective way to travel. I've found AAdvantage to be especially useful.

I guess some FF plans are better than others...

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 10):
How is that a strike back at B6, especially since they don't fly to London? I think that if any Pittsburgh-ites agree on one thing, Frankfurt would be first to come back as it stayed around the longest anyway.

But, at least we agree on this...



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User currently offlineJetBlueAUS From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1145 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3539 times:

I don't think that JetBlue will add flights if New York and Boston don't do well. Hopefully these flights will pick up in the near future, but as for future expansion. I don't think it's likely.


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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9259 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3489 times:

Quoting JetBlueAUS (Reply 12):
I don't think that JetBlue will add flights if New York and Boston don't do well. Hopefully these flights will pick up in the near future, but as for future expansion. I don't think it's likely.

Fair enough... they need to get the word out... Pittsburghers are looking for bargains, especially to JFK and BOS...

hey B6, got bilboards?



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User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days ago) and read 3424 times:

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 10):
Quoting Vega (Reply 7):
AND if US sees a drop in revenue due to JB, they may just start PIT-LGW service - to add a "little" incentive

How is that a strike back at B6, especially since they don't fly to London? I think that if any Pittsburgh-ites agree on one thing, Frankfurt would be first to come back as it stayed around the longest anyway.

Simple. It could entice FFs to use US instead of JB to accumulate miles and fly free or upgrade n/s to Europe from PIT. The logic for LGW is that FRA is too far for the available 757s and it's far less likely US would use the already stretched wide body assets (333 or 767) on PIT.


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9259 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3302 times:

Quoting Vega (Reply 14):
It could entice FFs to use US instead of JB to accumulate miles and fly free or upgrade n/s to Europe from PIT. The logic for LGW is that FRA is too far for the available 757s and it's far less likely US would use the already stretched wide body assets (333 or 767) on PIT.

Hmmm I think I am seeing the logic. US loses pax/FFers to B6/other LCCs. How does US bring them back???

Answer: We will restart PIT-LGW. Upgrade to Europe service!

This would satisfy all parties in my opinion, regarding the traveler anyway... PIT would have transatlantic service restored, the business travelers would have what they wanted, the FF travelers would have something they'd like. Everybody wins (unless you're jetblue anyway. I wonder if this would set up a fare war between US and B6, or wouldn't it really matter?

I do have to say that FRA would be the preferred city to fly into regarding Europe. I know US doesn't have the aircraft around (767/A330); they have a 757 which lacks the range, but FRA would provide much more connecting flights VIA Lufthansa. What other Star Members use LGW?



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