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Telling The Difference Between, 767, 300, 310, 330  
User currently offlineHamster From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 192 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11615 times:

I was spotting in a very nice area of Newark today if you can believe that, the Ironbound, and I was able to distinguish the 777, 340, the 757 and the 737. I did have problems with the 767 and the other large airbus aircraft. One I couldnt tell was a LOT jet. Also, I had trouble identifying an TAP aircraft. Any clues on this differentiation? How about the differences between 319, 320 and 321. Thanks all.

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User currently offlineWsan581 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11585 times:

The 767 and 310's have the main gear tilting forward...the 310 has a wing fence versus a wing tip.

The A300 has a wing fence versus the tip and the 330 has the tip.



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User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2986 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 11549 times:

What is a wing fence?


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User currently offlineHamster From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 11517 times:

I believe a wing fence is a small triangular end piece of the wing. A winglet is the mini wing that extends from the wing straight up kind of a mini wing at the end of the wing but extends up to the sky.

User currently offlineDa man From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 887 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 11508 times:

The LOT jet would be a 767, and TAP would be a A330


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User currently offlineWsan581 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days ago) and read 11452 times:

Quoting Da man (Reply 5):
TAP would be a A330

TAP still operates the 310 to EWR.



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User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1286 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days ago) and read 11424 times:

767s: The fuselage at the tail area is curved (in a cone shape)
310s: The fuselage at the tail area is straight, -300s have wing fences or a triangular shaped ending at both wings
300s: The fuselage at the tail area is straight, -600s have wing fences or a triangular shaped ending at both wings (although of different shape than those of the A310-300s)
There are many other differences and I couldn't be mistaken unless standing really far from the object. You'll get the experience.



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7027 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11382 times:

Quoting Hamster (Thread starter):
I was spotting in a very nice area of Newark today if you can believe that, the Ironbound, and I was able to distinguish the 777, 340, the 757 and the 737. I did have problems with the 767 and the other large airbus aircraft. One I couldnt tell was a LOT jet. Also, I had trouble identifying an TAP aircraft. Any clues on this differentiation? How about the differences between 319, 320 and 321. Thanks all.

It is hard to describe all the differences maybe it would be the best to look at pictures of all the aircraft you have trouble to identify.
For me the best way to distinguish the 767 from the Airbus widebodies is the nose section. Look at some pictures and you will know the difference. Also the Airbus widebodies have a wider fuselage than the 767.
The A300 and A310 are much shorter than the A330 have a shorter wingspan and lack the huge winglets.
The A310 is more stubby than the A300 because it is a shortened version.
The A319, A320, A321 are basically the same aircraft with different sizes.
The A321 is easily to identify because it is a very slim and long aircraft the A319 is the shortest (okay there is the even shorter A318 but this is only uses by very few airlines in America you will find it only with Frontier and Mexicana).
Also the A32x family can be identified by the number of exists but I never bothered to count them because I think it is easy to say be the size and proportions of the aircraft.

[Edited 2006-10-19 09:17:52]


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User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11343 times:

Quoting Columba (Reply 8):
Also the A32x family can be identified by the number of exists but I never bothered to count them because I think it is easy to say be the size and proportions of the aircraft.

A319 has one small over wing exit (except Squeezyjet who has two, due to larger number of seats), A320 has 2 small overwing exits and A321 has no overwing exits, but two sets of large normal size doors behind/in front of wings.


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7027 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11314 times:

Quoting ANother (Reply 9):
A319 has one small over wing exit (except Squeezyjet who has two

I believe the new A319s for Germanwings and other LCC have them as well.
I did not want to bother him with too many details  Wink



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31568 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11183 times:

From a Layman point of view.
The B767 has the Tail section Tapered Below & Above,unlike the A300 which only Tapers from Below.
The A330 has Winglets.
The A310 is much smaller than the other three.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineB777A340Fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11179 times:

Well, first off, I cannot tell the differences between each types of 767s, 777s, A340s, A330s. That takes very good eyes and a lot of knowledge.

On the other hand, here is the way I distinguish them:
777: the 3-wheels side view of the main landing gears usually gives it away.
767: 2-wheels side view of the main gear, fuselage resembles a smaller version of the 777.
757: 2-wheels side view of the main gear, fuselage a little sleeker and thinner than its cousins the 767 and the 777.

A330: Twin-engines, 2-wheels side view, sometimes hard to distinguish from the 767, but I've always found the 330 to be a little "sleeker", oh yes, a lot of them have winglets, which you do not find on the 767 (I don't think).

A340: Only single-level four engined plane

A319/A320/A321: I have no idea.

Sometimes, just by recognizing the airline gives you some clue as to what it is as well. I.e., UAL doesn't fly the A330, so if you're confused between A330 and the 767, it's probably a 767.  Smile


User currently offlineNYCFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1384 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10990 times:

another layman question here: is the "main landing gear" the front wheels or the back wheels?

User currently offlineCPH757 From Denmark, joined Sep 2005, 684 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10943 times:

Doing the a.net photo quiz over and over is the best way to learn this business  Smile


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User currently offlineSWACLE From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 368 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10842 times:

Easiest way to tell the 319/320/321 apart is simple: The 319 has only 1 overwing exit, the 320 has 2, and the 321 is about the length of a 757, so if you cant figure that one out youre plain blind.

The 767/300/310 is fairly simple as well. On the 767, there are no wing tips of any sort, except on the -400 whoch has "raked" wing tips. The 300 and 310 both have the afore mentioned "Fences". The easiest way I have found, though, is on all airbus wide bodys (300/310/330/340), the last 8-10 windows start to slant up. Supposedly this is to keep the passenger compartment located in the widest part of the aircraft, but any way you look at it it makes spotting easier. Also, if you are close enough, the 300/310 is odd in the fact that there is no "belly bulge" under the aircraft where the wing "attaches" to the plane. This is the only large commercial aircraft that I have seen this on. The wing just kind of dissapears into the fuselage.

Hope this helps.

Don



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User currently offlineSWACLE From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 368 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10831 times:

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 13):
another layman question here: is the "main landing gear" the front wheels or the back wheels?

The "Mains" alwasy refer to the gear under the wing. The nose gear is pretty much just for balance and steering no matter what aircraft type we are talking about, fron Cessnas to 777's. Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but I have been told that about 90% of the weight on a 737 rests on the mains.

Don



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User currently offlineB777A340Fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10700 times:

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 13):
another layman question here: is the "main landing gear" the front wheels or the back wheels?

They're the back wheels. I think they're called the "main wheels" because without them, it'd be really really hard (if not impossible) for an airplane to land without them (some planes have landed with disfunctional nose gears). And as someone stated up there, the majority of the airplane's weight lies on those wheels.


User currently offlinePdxcof9 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10677 times:

The only way for me to tell the difference on F9's 318 and 319 is to read the number on the plane haha  Silly But yeah frontier and mexicana are some of the only airlines in the US that use 318's.


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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16908 posts, RR: 67
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10661 times:

Quoting B777A340Fan (Reply 12):
A330: Twin-engines, 2-wheels side view, sometimes hard to distinguish from the 767, but I've always found the 330 to be a little "sleeker", oh yes, a lot of them have winglets, which you do not find on the 767 (I don't think).

Not "a lot". All 330/340 have winglets. Also the wing has significant "gulling". In general, Airbi have gulled wings (like a seagull) and Boeings have straight wings.

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 13):
another layman question here: is the "main landing gear" the front wheels or the back wheels?

"back". The nose gear is the other one.

Quoting SWACLE (Reply 15):
Easiest way to tell the 319/320/321 apart is simple: The 319 has only 1 overwing exit, the 320 has 2, and the 321 is about the length of a 757, so if you cant figure that one out youre plain blind.

Some 319s have 2 overwing exits  Wink. 321s have 4 large exits.

Quoting SWACLE (Reply 15):
The 300 and 310 both have the afore mentioned "Fences".

No. Older 300s do not have fences. Only the 300B4-600.

The fuse taper shape at the tail makes it easy to tell Airbus widebodies from Boeing ones. All Airbus widebodies except the 380 have a straight line top of the fuse all the way to the tail. Boeings do not.



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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 847 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10640 times:

How do you tell the diffrence between 777-200A -ER and -LR / 777-300A vs 777-300ER??

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User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1979 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10613 times:
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Quoting Solnabo (Reply 20):
How do you tell the diffrence between 777-200A -ER and -LR / 777-300A vs 777-300ER??

It doesn't matter. They sell better than their Airbus counterparts!  Wink

(sorry, I couldn't resist that one... and yes, I'm only joking.)

773's of all types are longer than 772 and have an additional passenger door.

772LR's have raked wingtips, 772A and ER do not.
773ER have raked wingtips, 773A do not.

Can't really tell difference between 772A and ER externally.



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16908 posts, RR: 67
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10584 times:

Quoting PA110 (Reply 21):

Can't really tell difference between 772A and ER externally.

Engines maybe. But that's a tricky one.



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User currently offlineBeech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10539 times:

Quoting PA110 (Reply 21):
Can't really tell difference between 772A and ER externally.

Yeah... the only way you would be able to tell is:
1. The airline requested the model number be painted on the outside (many do). Thai's new 772ER's only have "777" on them where as many list "777-200ER" or "777-300ER" (like SQ)
2. Could like inside the wings and compare the drastically different sized fuel tanks.  Wink
3. Could get close enough to read the model number of the motors. (when listed on them like the frame model number).

They are identical aircraft from the outside.

You can tell a 772ER SOMETIMES because of the extra beefy gear option that Boeing sells. Airlines can order the -300ER gear on the -200ER and there is a beefier look to the gear.



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User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10504 times:

An A318 and A319 can be a little tricky, sometimes on an angle and distance, I look for an oversized Tail to try to see if its an A318 since the fuselage is shorter than a A319 and makes tail stick out more


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User currently offlineYYZYYT From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 924 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10504 times:

Quoting B777A340Fan (Reply 12):
A340: Only single-level four engined plane

Correct,

(if you don't count the 707, DC 8, VC10, IL62, IL86 or IL96)

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 19):
Quoting B777A340Fan (Reply 12):
A330: Twin-engines, 2-wheels side view, sometimes hard to distinguish from the 767, but I've always found the 330 to be a little "sleeker", oh yes, a lot of them have winglets, which you do not find on the 767 (I don't think).

Not "a lot". All 330/340 have winglets. Also the wing has significant "gulling". In general, Airbi have gulled wings (like a seagull) and Boeings have straight wings.

also (and please corectme if I am wrong)
330s tend to (or all? ) have 3 large +1 small door per side;
most 767's have 2 or 3 doors plus 1 or 2 overwing exits (with the exception of a limited number of 767-300s and 767-400s...)


25 Post contains images TommyBP251b : Could be a TU-154 too
26 Post contains images SEAdomer787 : Actually, the A318 DOES have a taller and "pointier" vertical fin than the A319/320/321 (it's not just an optical illusion). It's because, without th
27 Post contains links OHLHD : Please check this thread! I took some of my time once to tell difference between Aircrafts! Have fun! RE: How To ID Planes (by OHLHD Feb 28 2006 in Ci
28 Panman : Close but not correct, doors 2L/R and 3L/R are emergency exits and they are smaller than doors 1L/R and 4L/R. I work with them quite often at work he
29 GPS787 : I didn't see it mentioned the 1st check if you are unsure if it's a Airbus or a Boeing aircraft is to check the flight deck windows. Boeing Airplanes
30 JAGflyer : 767- Long, wide, two engines 300 - medium length, wide and 2 engines 310 - short FAT and 2 engines 330 - Long, wide, big wingspan, winglets
31 AA777223 : The A 310 is the shortest, fattest looking thing in the sky. Kindof a funky looking aircraft.
32 Airplanenut : They may still fly the 310 sometimes, but they surely fly the 330, as well. I was there in August and have pictures of their 330 coming in. LOT has f
33 Gnieob797 : Hi folks. You talk about the difference between these planes. What about the 737-3xx and above series. I have more trouble with them than any. The 757
34 Jeffry747 : There are two ways to tell an A300 from an A310: One is by the number of passenger doors. The A300 has 4 doors on each side: The A310 only has three.
35 DZ09 : Indeed this is the best and possibly the only way to distinguish between those planes. Of course, the wing tips make a big difference, but not all A3
36 DZ09 : The 777 and 767 share the same nose section. The noticeable difference is the tail. the 767 one is round (conical) , the 777 has that amazing cool fl
37 Trintocan : Plane-spotting - always a great joy to do! Generally speaking it takes some time to recognize the different models. Here are some tips though: A318, 3
38 474218 : The easiest way to tell if it is an Airbus or a Boeing is to look at the window line. If it is straight all the way from the front to the back its a B
39 Post contains images Starlionblue : Apart from 731, the true Fat Albert.
40 Flyboy2001 : Another way to easily identify if that twin engined widebodied jet that just took off is an A330 is to look at the trailing edge of the wings, which f
41 Post contains images Scoliodon : The 767's nose section looks different from the Airbuses - it's a little stubby and short, whereas the Airbuses have a sleeker nose section. That and
42 Baron52ta : Just a point, a fence is plate usually mounted on the forward edge of the wing, on airliners generally they are mounted approximately 1/3 to 1/2 the
43 AirlineBrat : I can usually tell the difference between Boeing and Airbus by the shape of the windows. Also the curvature of the nose. The 777 and 767 are easy to i
44 Alitalia744 : Another way to tell the NG from the classics is by viewing them from behind. The flap tracks (aka canoes) on the back are slightly different. Classic
45 Post contains images WestIndian425 : The forward tilt of the mains on the 310 is not as pronounced as the 767. The 330's mains tilt rearward (same as the 340). I tend to look at the 330
46 AA777223 : One way I have always been able to identify an A300 vs a 767, which was one of my biggest confusions when I first started to get to know about airplan
47 Areopagus : The 747 rear fuselage top is straight, with the bottom sweeping up. But you don't need to look at fine points like that to recognize a 747. The 707's
48 Starlionblue : That's the gulling I have been talking about. "Gulling", like a seagull. The 321 has double slotted flaps, explaining the need for the fairings. Good
49 B777A340Fan : Haha, true! But who flies the TU these days aside from Aeroflot? Seriously, the probability of a plane being a TU-154 vs. a 777 is like 1 to 100.
50 Post contains links and images YYZYYT : If you can get close enough that's the best way to tell. The inboard fairings on the 300/400/500 have flat, wide fairings, just like the ones used to
51 YYZYYT : not if you're in Novosibirsk!
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