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CO Announces 3rd Quarter Profit  
User currently offlineCOGlobeTrotter From United States of America, joined May 2006, 78 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5578 times:

http://www.continental.com/web/en-US...apps/vendors/default.aspx?i=PRNEWS
Good job CO  Smile. They also announced that they will put winglets on 37 of their 737-500s and 11 737-300s.

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User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5567 times:

$146 million - wow! - that's better than AA's $114 million, and CO is a fraction of the size.

However, winglets for the 733s and 735s? Ugh. All that can mean is that they're planning on having those two old types stick around for longer, which I can't exactly say is too appealing from a pax perspective.


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5550 times:

Great news for CO!

Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 1):
that can mean is that they're planning on having those two old types stick around for longer, which I can't exactly say is too appealing from a pax perspective.

Most pax don't care, and don't know how old an A/C is.

If the cabin is clean, and looks good, that's the only thing most will notice.


User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5529 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 2):
If the cabin is clean, and looks good

Well, knowing how CO meticulously maintains the interior of their aircraft between flights and such, clean cabins aren't the issue. It's more the lack of IFE that's a bummer.


User currently offlineCOwrenchturner From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5507 times:

Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 3):
It's more the lack of IFE that's a bummer.

Right now we are upgrading our 757's with Video On Demand (VOD) in each seat. Other fleet types are next.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5489 times:

Congratulations CO . . . well done, again.

And you're still serving meals to your pax . . . at no charge.  thumbsup 


User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5466 times:

Quoting COwrenchturner (Reply 4):
Right now we are upgrading our 757's with Video On Demand (VOD) in each seat. Other fleet types are next.

I know that AVOD is coming to Y....eventually....for the 752's and the 738's down the road, but I didn't know they were planning on doing the older 737's as well.


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5442 times:

Great news. The longer an airframe flys, the more profit it returns to it's owner. I think it is a very smart move.


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User currently offlineCOwrenchturner From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5435 times:

The next fleet type for VOD I believe is the 777's. The target A/C are the ones that go "over the pond" since customers spend more time in them.


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User currently offlineMptpa From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5408 times:

Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 1):
However, winglets for the 733s and 735s? Ugh. All that can mean is that they're planning on having those two old types stick around for longer, which I can't exactly say is too appealing from a pax perspective.

Pax do not care of the type as long as the interior looks alike with the entertainment and servics.


User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 841 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5377 times:
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Great news & congrats to the CO team. The addition of the winglets on the 733s and 735s does not surprise me, but I too hope that this doesnt mean they will stay around longer than anticipated.

And I was not aware of the GE90 3D Aero blades - is this a retrofit or is this just marketing hype regarding something already installed at delivery?



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User currently offlineB737900er From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5354 times:

Quoting Mbm3 (Reply 10):
And I was not aware of the GE90 3D Aero blades - is this a retrofit or is this just marketing hype regarding something already installed at delivery?

3d Aerp blades is something GE offers at overhaul. They change the width of the compressor and turbine blades. They also offer it for the CFM 56-3 I think


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16866 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5335 times:

The 737-500 is a great aircraft for the routes it serves, I find the 737-500 to be very comfortable. The winglets on the 737-500 will help with routes such as EWR-Albuquerque and EWR-Tuscon.


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16866 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5304 times:

From GE:

Quote:
The key benefits of the GE90-94B with advanced 3D aerodynamics in the high pressure compressor are increased thrust and reduced fuel burn. Because lower fuel requirements and lower fuel weight allow a greater proportion of aircraft takeoff weight to be devoted to increased payload, better fuel burn translates into lower customer costs and higher revenue generating capability.

The current 1.4 percent GE90 fuel burn advantage, for example, translates into an annual savings of up to $150,000 (U.S.) in fuel alone, and up to $540,000 in revenues directly attributable to increased payload capacity in a typical year's operation. The target 1.7 percent GE90-94B fuel burn improvement would more than double the GE90's advantage with a proportionate increase in cumulative revenues.

Another -94B advantage will be increased on-wing life because of a 20 degree Celsius improvement in EGT margin. An increase of EGT margin translates to greater on-wing life and customer savings.

The advanced 3D-aero GE90-94B compressor is also a key advantage as GEAE aggressively matures other technologies necessary for a 110,000 to 115,000-pound thrust class engine, designated the GE90-11XB, targeted for high gross weight versions of the Boeing 777 aircraft.



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5262 times:

CO's operating profit margin was 5.4% compared to AA's 4.8%. Given that AA beat CO in operating profit margin in 2Q06, this is good news for CO. They are absorbing the added capacity in their system well.

Good job by CO!


User currently offlineContnlEliteCMH From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1459 posts, RR: 44
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5262 times:

AND... they've contributed $246 million to their pension plan this year. Taking care of business...


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User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5062 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 12):
The 737-500 is a great aircraft for the routes it serves, I find the 737-500 to be very comfortable. The winglets on the 737-500 will help with routes such as EWR-Albuquerque and EWR-Tuscon.

Yes exactly what I was thinking...especially since now in TUS, we are getting the EWR flight year round AGAIN....


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21529 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5044 times:

Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 1):
However, winglets for the 733s and 735s? Ugh. All that can mean is that they're planning on having those two old types stick around for longer, which I can't exactly say is too appealing from a pax perspective.

Their plan has been to retire the oldest 733s, but not the 735s or 733s until the 737RS is available.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 2):
Most pax don't care, and don't know how old an A/C is.

Especially on some of their newer 733s. They look like the 73G, they have IFE like the 73G. What's the difference?



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User currently offlineIAHcsr From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3433 posts, RR: 41
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5029 times:
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Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 1):
However, winglets for the 733s and 735s? Ugh. All that can mean is that they're planning on having those two old types stick around for longer, which I can't exactly say is too appealing from a pax perspective.

All the 733s (including the 11) will be gone by the end of '10. The 735s will fly a few years longer.



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User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5004 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 17):
Especially on some of their newer 733s. They look like the 73G, they have IFE like the 73G. What's the difference?

One of the cleanest, nicest planes I've ever been in was a CO 733. That thing looked like it had just come out of the factory -- I was surprised to look it up later and see it had been made in ... 1986, I think it was.

Given that the flight was about virtually empty and it was between Miami and Havana, I think I can safely rank that high on my list of memorable flights.



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User currently offlineIAHcsr From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3433 posts, RR: 41
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4976 times:
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Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 17):
Especially on some of their newer 733s. They look like the 73G, they have IFE like the 73G. What's the difference?

The 'newer'-ist 733 is 19 years old. The ones with the IFE are '733LR's and are the 11 that will be getting the Winglets.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21529 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4958 times:

Quoting IAHcsr (Reply 20):
The 'newer'-ist 733 is 19 years old. The ones with the IFE are '733LR's and are the 11 that will be getting the Winglets.

Yeah? And they have IFE and pax won't know the difference, right?  Wink



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User currently offlineUnited777atGU From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4944 times:

Great Job CO!! Please show us how to run an airline (cough, cough: United). I'm going to be a doctor (hopefully), so maybe I can learn about cloning and clone management, hire the clones under United, and there you go!

That's a great profit. Back to back too.



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User currently offlineIAHcsr From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3433 posts, RR: 41
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4892 times:
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Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 21):
Yeah? And they have IFE and pax won't know the difference, right?

The 733 IFE is a much older aisle- celling mounted monitor system Vs the LCD flip-down found on the 73G. But otherwise you are absolutely correct that most pax won't have a clue.  bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6763 posts, RR: 32
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days ago) and read 4864 times:

Quoting IAHcsr (Reply 20):
The ones with the IFE are '733LR's and are the 11 that will be getting the Winglets.

And since they are used primarily on longer stage length routes, CO can probably recoup the cost of the winglets a few times over before the aircraft are retired. Just as an aside...how different are the winglet designs between the different 737 models? Would it be possible for CO to reuse winglets from retiring aircraft on other frames in the fleet?

In any event, this was an excellent quarter for CO in spite of the challenges posed by the fallout from the foiled terrorist plot in the U.K. RASM growth in Latin America and the Pacific was phenomenal, and domestic wasn't far behind.


25 Ikramerica : Great question. I also wonder if the winglet resale price on the wing is different than the resale price off the wing. Is it worth more to sell the 7
26 Style : This is a great number. Even if you take away the 1 time gain from the sale of Copa stock it still outperforms AMR's Q3 results. Proving that just bec
27 BigB : I don't think it is possible for winglets from a 733 to be placed on a 737NG (73G etc.)
28 Ikramerica : That was the initial question, so don't break up my second question without confirming the first. Respond to the original poser of the question. Who
29 JetBlueAUS : Great job CO! The gain is well earned.
30 FlyHoss : IIRC, the 737-300 is already certified, by AviationPartnersBoeing (check their website), but the -500 is not. Also, the -900 will soon be certified a
31 Post contains images Thomasphoto60 : Way to go, CO.......could not have happed to a nicer airline! Thomas
32 MasseyBrown : One of the CO speakers, I think it was Kellner, indicated that the winglets would increase the used value of the aircraft; he expected they would con
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