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UA Starts IAD-FCO April 1 2007  
User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4880 posts, RR: 25
Posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 9871 times:
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Looks like UA will start IAD-FCO nonstops effective April 1 2007. Schedule is as follows:

UA 966 IAD 6:16pm FCO 8:50am+ 777
UA 967 FCO 10:55am IAD 2:40pm 777

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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4498 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 9841 times:

Somewhat surprising that they picked FCO for their return to Italy rather than the higher yielding MXP, where they operated until a couple of years ago. I presume there will be a capacity adjustments for the winter months if this flight is operating year round.

User currently offlineORDPIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 140 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 9827 times:

YES!!!!!! I've been waiting for their return to Italy. Everytime I asked on the fourm or UA no one thinks its going to happen anytime soon. Cheers United

[Edited 2006-10-19 15:25:47]


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User currently offlineATLAaron From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1023 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 9771 times:
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Quoting Panamair (Thread starter):
Looks like UA will start IAD-FCO nonstops effective April 1 2007. Schedule is as follows:

UA 966 IAD 6:16pm FCO 8:50am+ 777
UA 967 FCO 10:55am IAD 2:40pm 777

That is great news! But where did you find it? I can't find anything about it on their site.


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11466 posts, RR: 61
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 9762 times:

Personally, I'm more surprised they're using 777s on the route. FCO, particularly in the summer, is a very leisure-oriented route. United is now going to be, IINM, the only airline offering 3-class service from FCO to the U.S. But alas, does United have an alternative? Does United have a 2-class international plane?

User currently offlineATLAaron From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1023 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 9748 times:
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The additional capacity will be needed when Alitalia goes or cutsback.  stirthepot 

User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4498 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 9746 times:

Quoting ATLAaron (Reply 3):
That is great news! But where did you find it? I can't find anything about it on their site.

It's loaded in the reservation systems, so you should be able to find it on sites like Amadeus.


User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 9747 times:

Interesting indeed.

Everything I was told when I was at UA was that UA was focused on the buisness travel market to Europe. FCO is definately more of a lesiure destination. I would have thought a return to MXP was in the cards before FCO!

Still, its pretty cool. I once told a bunch of folk that UA ought to use "Pines of Rome" in any advertisment regarding starting Rome service.


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4880 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 9722 times:
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Quoting ATLAaron (Reply 3):
That is great news! But where did you find it? I can't find anything about it on their site

Here's the official press release:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/061019/cgth016.html?.v=75

Flights loaded on united.bomb as well and bookable.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 4):
the only airline offering 3-class service from FCO to the U.S. But alas, does United have an alternative? Does United have a 2-class international plane?

No, UA doesn't have a 2-class transoceanic plane...yet...Anyway, I guess the F cabin will be good for NRSAs and frequent flyer upgrades...


User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2167 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9626 times:

Here is a question...who is not getting 777 service next year so that Rome can start up? Considering that UA only has a finite set of aircraft....

User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9627 times:

UA will do well there in the summer and there is some premium demand; it also could be a good flight to burn miles on. What they do in the winter will be interesting to watch.

They undoubtedly have watched how much capacity DL has successfully put in FCO during the summer... and DOT statistics show the market accepts its well. However, DL cuts FCO back significantly in the winter, sometimes operating only one flight/day in the dead of the winter compared with 5 during the summer. There's room for UA, though, esp. w/ AZ's pullout from IAD.

This does put even more pressure on AZ. Italy is becoming like Belgium in that every US carrier will fly there but there is little or weak service from the home carrier.


User currently offlineORDPIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 140 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9602 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 8):
Quoting Commavia (Reply 4):
the only airline offering 3-class service from FCO to the U.S. But alas, does United have an alternative? Does United have a 2-class international plane?

No, UA doesn't have a 2-class transoceanic plane...yet...Anyway, I guess the F cabin will be good for NRSAs and frequent flyer upgrades...

I agree that it is a bit suprising that the 777 is being used but imho it is one of the things that seperates UA from quite a few carriers to Europe. By giving the option of F they will benefit from the sales to corporate and affluent travelers who simply buy the highest cabin. Admitting that I am biased with my love for UA, being 1k, or for that matter other premier members will benefit from this route simply from the upgrade possibilities. For the sake of UA though I hope that I am wrong and they can sell out the premium cabins and suprise us all.

Does anyone have information on the cargo revenue that is expected from this route, perhaps that is reason enough for the 777, I would assume that most would go through MXP.



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User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1464 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9601 times:

Wow...start with a 777 right off the bat...you would think they would start with a 767 and upgrade to a 777 if needed!!!!!

User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9554 times:

Remember that US fly from PHL to Rome with A333 all the year round! A333 is quite similar to B772.

User currently offlineUnited777atGU From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9544 times:

YEEESSSS!!!!!! Not that I hate DL or CO, but I was sick and tired of UA sitting back and letting the competition (like DL, with some 50 new/restarted routes this year alone) steamroll over us by expanding like no tomorrow!!! OMG! My birthday present will be just that, 8APR, UA966F, IAD-FCO. I swear! April 8th I will be there. YUP! So happy right now! That wasn't even on Skynet or anything...It was just out of the blue!

Quoting Commavia (Reply 4):
Personally, I'm more surprised they're using 777s on the route. FCO, particularly in the summer, is a very leisure-oriented route.

You're telling me...a 777 is huge! I don't know where the feed will come from because it's not a hub to *A hub route. Though, I'm not a route planner either. Maybe people will connect onto Alitalia? Or maybe they are anticipating a lot of cargo? I don't see that much cargo around Alitalia's planes when they come in each day from MXP--at least not so much that they couldn't put it on a '67. Maybe it will fill up like they do with IAD-AMS and IAD-CDG...Either way I'm happy they are going back to Italy.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 4):
United is now going to be, IINM, the only airline offering 3-class service from FCO to the U.S. But alas, does United have an alternative? Does United have a 2-class international plane?



Quoting Panamair (Reply 8):
No, UA doesn't have a 2-class transoceanic plane...yet...Anyway, I guess the F cabin will be good for NRSAs and frequent flyer upgrades...

The 777 non-ERs are two class but are used for the Hawaii runs. Maybe if they could get them rated, they could use one for IAD-FCO, but:
1) I don't even know if they can get those engines rated for ER
2) I doubt they would take a plane off of US mainland-Hawaii and
3) I doubt they would vary their international product on trans-atlantic flights.

And about that ''yet" comment, Panamair: do you think that UA is going to follow suit and get rid of its First class like some others? (Just speculating on your comment...)

One more thing: I noticed that when they put in IAD-KWI, they had to change the MEX-IAD-BOS/return flight numbers because they overlapped (MEX-IAD-BOS used to be UA980 and BOS-IAD-MEX was UA981; IAD-KWI is now UA982 and KWI-IAD is UA981). Do you think they have more routes to announce (for 2007 maybe) since they seem to be adding flights, including this one, in the 960-980 flight number range? I don't know whether I explained that clear enough, or even whether it is a rational observation, but you guys can help me on that...

Go UA. Now post a profit please. And please not USD$1.



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24897 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9529 times:

One of the benefits of operating to Rome versus Milan is the potential feed that UA can generate with AirOne whom I'd expect UA to sign full code share with in the coming month. AirOne operates to some 22 destinations from FCO while having no service whatsover from Milan's MXP.

Between FCO based AirOne tie in and Air Dolomiti providing feed at MUC, UA will have a excellent network covering Italy.



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User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2073 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9436 times:

I am always suspicious of anything on April 1. A joke perhaps? Are they doing this as part of their "Captial-to-Capital" campaign for IAD-PEK? Would they then drop IAD-FCO before it starts if they do not get the China flight?

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9381 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 1):
Somewhat surprising that they picked FCO for their return to Italy rather than the higher yielding MXP, where they operated until a couple of years ago. I presume there will be a capacity adjustments for the winter months if this flight is operating year round.

Actually, I am not so surprised. I see United as trying to exploit the niche premium market that has been rather ignored under some temporal revenue management model that has not done much good for anyone recently. Further, I see United as using this route much like a Hawai'i route where it won't make them a bundle but should be reliably profitable. Further, they may well have secured a major cargo contract, for which the 777 will prove indispensible.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 4):
Does United have a 2-class international plane?

No, though it would behoove them to do that to the 767s with the cabin refurbishment

Quoting United777atGU (Reply 14):
You're telling me...a 777 is huge!

At United, not really, if you go by seat density.



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User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9370 times:

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 16):
Would they then drop IAD-FCO before it starts if they do not get the China flight?

What does Rome have to do with China? Other than the fact that Marco Polo was Italian, and Venician at that, nothing.

There is no Capitol to Capitol connection. IAD is UAs East Coast hub. Mush of it's European international service is out of there. It just makes sense.

Adding PEK service is an enhancement to already existing service.


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9350 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 15):
One of the benefits of operating to Rome versus Milan is the potential feed that UA can generate with AirOne whom I'd expect UA to sign full code share with in the coming month. AirOne operates to some 22 destinations from FCO while having no service whatsover from Milan's MXP.

Good point.

Great to see UA going back to Italy.......IAD expansion just keeps on coming!


User currently offlineSRT75 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9335 times:

First off, go United! Good to see some European expansion.

Quoting United777atGU (Reply 14):
You're telling me...a 777 is huge!

UA seems to give IAD preferential 777 treatment. For example CDG-ORD is a 767, while CDG-IAD is a 777. LHR-LAX is a 767, while LHR-IAD is a 777. Is there a reason for this? Image -- have your newest and best planes at the "international" hub? Availablity -- simply an issue of using what you've got? Economics -- IAD have more premium pax than ORD, SFO? Maintenance -- is all 777 maintenance performed at IAD?


User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9312 times:

Great news! I hope that UA will restart service from IAD to MAD soon. I would also like to see UA upgrade international service from their hubs at ORD and SFO.

User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4880 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9287 times:
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Quoting SRT75 (Reply 20):
LHR-LAX is a 767

Only the seasonal 2nd LHR-LAX flight is a 767. The regular year-round LHR-LAX is a 777.


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9269 times:

Quoting ORDPIA (Reply 11):
I agree that it is a bit suprising that the 777 is being used but imho it is one of the things that seperates UA from quite a few carriers to Europe. By giving the option of F they will benefit from the sales to corporate and affluent travelers who simply buy the highest cabin. Admitting that I am biased with my love for UA, being 1k, or for that matter other premier members will benefit from this route simply from the upgrade possibilities. For the sake of UA though I hope that I am wrong and they can sell out the premium cabins and suprise us all.

This changes our vacation plans for next spring. We were considering Spain in April or May. Now it's looking like Italy - love the opportunity to upgrade on UA.


User currently offlineUnited777atGU From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9215 times:

Quoting SRT75 (Reply 20):
UA seems to give IAD preferential 777 treatment. For example CDG-ORD is a 767, while CDG-IAD is a 777. LHR-LAX is a 767, while LHR-IAD is a 777. Is there a reason for this? Image -- have your newest and best planes at the "international" hub? Availablity -- simply an issue of using what you've got? Economics -- IAD have more premium pax than ORD, SFO? Maintenance -- is all 777 maintenance performed at IAD?

Side note: They're trying to make IAD a 747 base too, according to the pilots and other folk.



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25 N1120A : All major MX at UA is perfomed at the MRO at SFO. LHR-IAD has a mix of 777s and 767s part of the year and a mix of 777s, 767s and 744s part of the ye
26 Panamair : ..even though from a customer perspective, I hate UA's IAD facilities - crowded, cramped (especially the lounges), old, and some of the nastiest grou
27 N1120A : Actually, the RCC I used, I really liked Most of the ground staff I find are younger and tend to be African immigrants, who work very hard to get fli
28 Laxintl : IAD already is a B744 crew base, along with LAX, ORD & SFO. 777 D checks are performed by Ameco in Beijing.
29 N174UA : Sure enough, it shows on the UA website for 4/1. Wow. And it also shows the US flight via PHL as another option, so UA is still maintaing the partner
30 Jfk777 : Hey I'm just happy UA now has TED from PBI to Dulles, finally.
31 N1120A : Interesting. I wonder why not the MRO? Happy to have Ted? That is a first
32 Laxintl : Much of UA's heavy checks are contracted out. 744s to Korean Air while 767 and narrow body fleet are split amongst several US providors.
33 RoseFlyer : I'm wondering if there was some contract that United signed to help fill up the plane. It is possible that there is some client that wanted fully fla
34 N174UA : It's all Envoy class, though row 1 has lay-flat seats, but the rest of Envoy doesn't. At least on the A330, can't speak for US' 762 fleet.
35 LH417AF025 : OH GOD YES. I have to say, and this is coming from a diehard UA fan. Those 767's are an absolute embarrassment.
36 UA772IAD : It will definately do well, especially with a 3 class 777. I go to Italy every June, from my home airport, IAD, and there are so many UA customers an
37 United777atGU : Is the 747 returning this winter for UA918/919 IAD-LHR-IAD?? I didn't see it at all through December...(But I didn't check through March either...) P
38 YULWinterSkies : Maybe they will make revenue out of that, by being the only one. The demand for high-yield looks low at FCO, but still existing. So there may be not
39 UA772IAD : While I agree with you on the facilities, talk to congress. DC is an amazing city, but being the nation's capital of the world's most powerful nation
40 Konrad : I second that one. Just a week ago I didn't make a 2 hours 20 minutes UA international-to-domestic connection at IAD because the immigration, customs
41 Panamair : I have no doubt you are but I was talking mostly about customer-facing ground staff at IAD, in particular the RCC lounge dragons (I. as the passenger
42 Halls120 : If I go to Spain, I can only fly UA to Paris or London, then catch a star alliance flight to Barcelona or Madrid. If I fly UA, I have a 50% chance (b
43 SRT75 : I think that NRT and SYD are the only LAX 744 flights currently. SFO is UA 744 heaven.
44 BobbyB : One likely reason that UA is flying to FCO instead og MPX is that they may possibly use Air One on flights out of Rome on a code-share basis. Air One
45 FlyMD : As a long time UA fan, I agree that any expansion is great. But when will they show their homebase (ORD) some love?????? Just askin.
46 Post contains images United777atGU : Appreciated. Greatly. And glad to see that you notice our hard-working front line employees...
47 UA772IAD : Yes, NRT too. I guess there are some domestic routes that utilize the 744 from LAX and IAD. Do any UA employees know if IAD is a crewbase for all mai
48 United777atGU : I'm not sure what you mean, but I can tell you we get everything except for PS configured 757s and Domestic 777s (like those from the US to Hawai'i)
49 UA772IAD : What I meant was, is there a crewbase at IAD for 737, 747 757/767 and Airbus at IAD? I was also stating, that I was surprised that DEN does not have a
50 United_Fan : I thought UA gave up on Italy bacaus it tied up a plane too long. BWT where is UA gonna get all these planes to do FCO and Kuwait ? Less widebody dome
51 Usair320 : Nice to see UA in Italy. I flew IAD-MXP-IAD way back in 2001 on a 763.
52 Platinumfoota : YES!!!!! FCO here i come!!!
53 SRT75 : This will make west-coast feed a little tight, don't you think? A 9:00 a.m. LAX, SFO, SEA departure would leave less than an hour to connect in IAD.
54 Laxintl : UA has a 5-6pm IAD-Europe bank currently with all the one off flights to places such as AMS, BRU, MUC, ZRH all departing about the same time. West Co
55 N1120A : You shouldn't be surprised. DEN does not do much international traffic at all, and certainly no transatlantic or transpacific, so you get a lot of lo
56 Zone1 : They are also probably looking at how DL is utilizing their fleet, also. It wouldn't surprise me that this flight comes out of some reshuffling of bl
57 United777atGU : And there has to be some weight to the argument that IAD has slow growth due to location and lack of DC Metro. I have to catch the 5A Dulles Airport
58 N1120A : You got royally unlucky, because IAD is pretty much the best large airport you will find anywhere for making International to Domestic connections, p
59 Bicoastal : Only as extensions of international legs in order to maximize aircraft utilization and to move the massive amounts of cargo that come and go internat
60 Walter747 : what i would really like to see is a us airline flying to naples
61 N1120A : The market isn't there, the runway is a bit short and it is too close to FCO
62 Walter747 : the only flights from the us to naples is on EuroFly and they operate an A332
63 Post contains images United777atGU : Love that bus! But since they went up on the employee discount, I don't like that bus so much anymore Part-time UA RSM + college student = cheapest w
64 Hoya : With the new busses, the 5A is a lot more comfortable than in the past. They use specially designated busses for the route, with coach-bus type seats
65 Konrad : It sure is. My points is, the last two times I arrived during the early afternoon rush hour, it was packed by a crowd that simply couldn't move forwa
66 Mk777 : Now if only UA announces a non-stop IAD-DEL service!! Wishful thinking!! The load on the AA and CO flights are quite good, so ive heard, and im sure i
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