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User currently offlineTeneriffe77 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 470 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2677 times:

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this but I noticed that Allegiant announced today that they are going to start a new 2xweek seasonal service from Palm Springs to Bellingham.
http://www.allegiantair.com/aaNews20061019c.php
I find this kind of odd given their preference for routes from there bases (LAS, SFB, PIE) and no between other cities (like RFD to ABE).

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User currently offlineB6WNQX From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2672 times:

Is this maybe a sign that PSP is going to become a small focus city on the west coast just like PIE is for the east coast now? This could be interesting.

User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5582 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2605 times:

What I find interesting also is that the company flying for the new startup SkyValue (is that the name?) lists Bellingham as one of four crew bases that they are or will be hiring at.

What's going on with Bellingham these days? Allegiant will have 12 flights/week, and QX is there as well. Pretty impressive.

-Dave



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2603 times:

There was talk in the past that PSP would come back this winter with a few flights to select cities besides LAS.

They also announced PSP-LAS is back. I know some had seen the seasonal end in April as a sign that Allegiant could not compete in the market. LAS announcement:
http://www.allegiantair.com/aaNews20061019b.php

I think the choice of BLI tied with the increase to 10 flights a week BLI-LAS says that BLI is a very strong Allegiant station.

Edited to add map link
http://www.allegiantair.com/aaRouteMap.php

[Edited 2006-10-19 20:55:58]


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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9633 posts, RR: 68
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2610 times:
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I beleive there is also a BLI-SLC flight on a CRJ200 from Skywest these days

User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2594 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 2):
What's going on with Bellingham these days? Allegiant will have 12 flights/week, and QX is there as well. Pretty impressive.

Also DL is flying RJs to SLC.

I believe QX will increase from the Q-200 to the Q-400 out of BLI next year.



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User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2554 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 5):
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 2):
What's going on with Bellingham these days? Allegiant will have 12 flights/week, and QX is there as well. Pretty impressive.

Vancouver is what is going. BLI=YVR BUF=YYZ BTV=YUL

It's a huge catchment area. Between Vancouver, Fraser River valley, Bellingham, and Everett. All within an hour drive (give or take peak border crossing times). It can be great potential for Allegiant


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2509 times:

So could this be the start of a PSP build up or just a one-off point to point route?

Also what is the chance of Allegiant going year round in PSP or at least extending their operating season there?



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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5582 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2396 times:

Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 6):
Vancouver is what is going. BLI=YVR BUF=YYZ BTV=YUL

It's a huge catchment area. Between Vancouver, Fraser River valley, Bellingham, and Everett. All within an hour drive (give or take peak border crossing times). It can be great potential for Allegiant

I understand, but I also know of (and have experienced) the sometimes lengthy delays at the border. Given the restrictions faced by those heading back and forth, you could risk missing your flight rather easily, which might be ok for QX - just catch the next departure - but not for Allegiant.

Having said that, I'm sure that there is a transborder component, it would just be interesting to see what percentage of their customers are actually doing so. Don't WestJet and Air Canada fly YVR-LAS? Perhaps even AS?

- Dave



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User currently offlineAAflyguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2371 times:

G4 had been discussing with PSP the idea of providing service from BLI as early as summer last year. It obviously didn't happen then, and I'm sure most thought that PSP was a thing of the past when the carrier discontinued service in May. But, I expected otherwise, as I had been in direct contact with the company from the first discussions in Summer 2005 up through Winter 2006. I'm happy to learn 2007 will see the return of G4's service, and perhaps the LAS flights will perform better this winter. A 3-night stay may be more attractive than the 2-night pattern available last winter. Still wish there were 3wkly flights, to offer more options, but oh well.

As for year-round, I seriously doubt it. BLI is definitely seasonal, and LAS probably will end in April as currently planned. But if it is a stronger performer the 2nd time around, I could see LAS service becoming year-round in another couple of years. The population in the PSP market is exploding (it has nearly doubled since 1995), and there is an absolute opportunity to market PSP to LAS residents also. The two destinations are so different, though many seem to think they are very similar. And with PSP's star rising once again as a popular place to visit, there may be more than BLI & LAS offered in future seasons. Time will tell.

Welcome back to PSP, Allegiant!

AAflyguy


User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2356 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 8):
Don't WestJet and Air Canada fly YVR-LAS? Perhaps even AS?

WestJet, AC and US serve the route.


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2335 times:

Quoting AAflyguy (Reply 9):
sure most thought that PSP was a thing of the past when the carrier discontinued service in May.

I think it was the old thread that got you to finally join us.
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/2749744/

There were a number of people on the old thread thinking it was a question that Allegiant could not compete on the route event though all the language was a seasonal suspension. I'd like to hear from some of the old posters now about the restart.  Wink

Looking at my comments about PSP-LAS back then I see I talked about the need for snowbirds to hear about the company and that G4 staying until May in spite of 50% LFs instead of pulling out might be an indicator. So maybe the second year may be of help.

I also commented about G4 doing flights from other cities if they returned. Looks like I was at least a little right.



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User currently offlineBoslax From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2319 times:

Quoting AAflyguy (Reply 9):
And with PSP's star rising once again as a popular place to visit

Question - Does Palm Springs have the lodging space to handle the increased traffic in the peak season? My impression is that many So Cal folks drive out on weekends making it very difficult to get a room.


User currently offlineDesertFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2297 times:

The Coachella Valley (where Palm Springs is) has been expanding at a rapid pace. More hotels continue to go up, especially now in the east part of the valley. There are foundations going in for many new, large hotels. The Los Angeles folk can make it difficult to find a cheap room, but not impossible to find a room especially if you come during the week. It'll be great to see G4's beautiful MD80s back at PSP.

User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2278 times:

We had no problem finding a nice room for a few nights the week before Easter last year, which used to be a time when the area was hard to book. The area is busy but not impossible thanks to a hotel boom. Now its time to fill those rooms.


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User currently offlineAAflyguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 2159 times:

FATFlyer,

I joined in this discussion about a year ago, when the LAS announcement was first made, and then again in the spring, when service was suspended. I was PSP's marketing and air service development representative for several years. Hopefully I know a little about what I say on here -  Smile - I typically refrain from topics I don't know about. The G4 service was an experiment from the beginning, though one those within the company believed had teeth. I helped to make it happen, and felt a sense of ownership both when it began, and again when it ended months after inception, but things don't always go as hoped or intended. Why it didn't work better the first time around is debatable. I have my own ideas, but always expected the airline would resurface this winter. I'm glad that the return to PSP has been announced, to put to rest the comments from those saying the market was a failure for G4.

There is a high level of capacity on the YVR-PSP route, but as I understand, BLI has been a strong performer for G4. And, PSP has a loyal and strong following from Western Canadian and Pacific Northwest residents. This winter, AS - WS - and HQ will all be flying from YVR, and now G4 via BLI. There will be about 14 weekly roundtrips to PSP from the greater YVR market this winter. What I believe to be true is that G4 will continue to test the waters @ PSP, and if things steadily warm up, so will the frequency and markets served. It is not as big as LAS, SFB, or PIE, and never will be. But it is a market that has never been truly explored for this type of destination service. G4 is the type of carrier that, with the right local partners and a well executed marketing plan, can make it happen.

As far as the accommodations in the area, DesertFlyer is right. About 16,000 hotel rooms currently exist, plus thousands of condos and rental properties, and an ever-growing number of vacation club communities (timeshares). The 2nd home market is also very established, and continues to grow. But, there is such a boom with several hotels either under construction or in the planning stages that I don't believe the destination has seen before. There is a Sheraton, W Aloft, W Hotel, Hard Rock Resort, Remington Las Montanas Resort, and others all planned to open in the next 3yrs, and those are just the full-service properties. Also, a new Embassy Suites is finally opening in La Quinta (after lengthy construction and financing delays). Also, some existing properties are expanding, including the Hyatt Grand Champions, and La Quinta Resort & Club is now a part of the Waldorf-Astoria Collection, following the recent purchase by Hilton. And The Lodge at Rancho Mirage is closed for a year to complete a major renovation and will reopen as a Ritz-Carlton (a homecoming for the brand, as this property was formerly the Ritz-Carlton Rancho Mirage). Also, small boutique hotels and inns are opening up all over the City of Palm Springs, and more are planned.

The way things are going, the PSP market will have 500K permanent residents by the end of the decade (25mi radius), and 250K additional residents within a 35mi radius. Local population has increased by 30% since 2000. Add to that a solid tourism base with lots of potential for growth, and a name "Palm Springs" that is well known, even if not fully understood or experienced, it is known to many worldwide. If the hospitality community embraces G4, this could be something big on the West Coast aside from its LAS base. But that's a BIG "IF". The community isn't used to working with an airline in this manner, so it will have to take a step outside the box and look at the big picture, and do what it can to help G4 succeed. Ultimately, everyone wins if this service grows, because the contribution to the local economy will be significant.

PSP's passenger traffic is up 8% through September. Total passengers should be around 1,525,000 for the year, surpassing the current record of 1,419,087 set last year. And the way things are going, 2007 is already shaping up as a serious contender to pass '06, topping 1.6 million if current trends continue. A new regional concourse is under construction and will open in Spring '07. I'm hoping to get out there in late Dec, and will check on the progress.

G4 could play a big part in PSP's future, along with others expanding and introducing new service into the market. Good things are coming to "America's Resortport."

AAflyguy


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 2140 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 8):
Having said that, I'm sure that there is a transborder component, it would just be interesting to see what percentage of their customers are actually doing so.

According to a quote in this article today, more than half is Canadian for Allegiant. What more than half means is open for interpretation, 51%? 55%?
http://news.bellinghamherald.com/app...cle?AID=/20061020/NEWS07/610200351

Quoting AAflyguy (Reply 15):
I was PSP's marketing and air service development representative for several years. Hopefully I know a little about what I say on here

IIRC didn't you say you also know Patti?

Quoting AAflyguy (Reply 15):
The community isn't used to working with an airline in this manner, so it will have to take a step outside the box and look at the big picture, and do what it can to help G4 succeed.

And it is a good time. PSP has always had its drawing markets but as more vacation choices open for those people PSP needs to develop a new way. I think there could be a lot of potential to attract a different customer base, particularly in winter.

Quoting AAflyguy (Reply 15):
PSP's passenger traffic is up 8% through September.

You are in the industry and more attuned to things than I am. But I also see high numbers here in Fresno and other mid-sized areas. To me it appears we are seeing that level as the new growth area for airlines. What did Boyd put out last week at the conference for growth airports, I heard cities like SRQ, RNO, etc. Yes, LAS and a couple of other larger ones but overall in the midsized markets.



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User currently offlineAAflyguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2117 times:

FATFlyer,

G4 is absolutely going for that Canadian traveler to choose it over other service offered from YVR. But hey, perhaps those in and around BLI on the US side will be more inclined to pop down now, as it will be more afforable than in years past, and more convenient than ever.

Yes, I know Patti. We are good friends, and remain in regular contact even though I have left PSP. I'm still in the industry, but at DTW now, and in a new capacity. I never got to visit FAT while out west, unfortunately. I would like to see how the airport is looking with the 4-gate addition. It looks good from above! I've seen a pic on another message board I frequent.

I didn't make it to the Boyd Group Conference this year. I heard it was great, especially the venue and location. Park City would have been quite a place to visit. I have been to two of his conferences, and always come away enlightened and informed. The topics are right on-time with current trends, his speakers and highly-qualified and close to the pulse, and the attendees reach across many facets of the aviation industry. He never mentions PSP, but one day he'll see that he missed the boat on touting the forecasted growth of that market. Just my opinion, of course.

I have to say that one of the most impressive things about the growth in PSP is the fact that ONT is only 70mi away (airport-to-airport), and WN rules the day there with about 65% of the service. While the PSP market leaks tons of traffic to ONT and other (bigger) SoCal airports each and every year, it continues to grow steadily. Oh, and that 8% growth is occurring with marginal capacity growth. There are more examples of the smaller airport struggling in similar scenarios around the country, but not PSP. I think it's a combination of the growing population making better use of its closest airport along with tourism bouncing back. The two can really have a significant impact on usage going forward.

AAflyguy


User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2004 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2111 times:

Quoting AAflyguy (Reply 17):
I'm still in the industry, but at DTW now, and in a new capacity.

What ya doin up in DTW now? Enjoying the ride to the series?  Smile Good to see another person on a.net from the area (although I'd down in Toledo).

Ryan


User currently offlineRampRat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1537 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2080 times:

While we are on PSP. My mother was flying home from visiting me. PDX-LAX-PSP. She was flying on passes. She made it to LAX just fine. That's where it stopped. She tried to get on the last five UAX flights with no luck. She had to hire a shuttle service to ONT. Then my father picked her up there and they drove to PSP to get her car out of the parking lot.

I feel it is way too early in the season for over booked flights into PSP. When I worked at PSP in the early 90's. The flights didn't start filling up to around mid December. It looks like UA is operated four fewer flights between PSP-LAX the last couple years. The capacity was cut also when American Eagle pulled out from this route. TWA Express, US Air Express, DL Connection also flew this route at the same time as UAX, AE. Now UAX is the only airline flying this route with reduce capacity, what gives?


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2065 times:

Quoting AAflyguy (Reply 17):
I would like to see how the airport is looking with the 4-gate addition. It looks good from above! I've seen a pic on another message board I frequent.

You should now wait for the new projects. The ticketing lobby will take on a Yosemite/Sequoia theme; the baggage claim will be redone; and the rental car ready lot is being redone (an RFP is out for covered spaces with solar energy panels). Should be interesting to see in a couple of more years.



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User currently offlineB757capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1947 times:

Has anyone metioned the question on where Allegiant is getting the equipment to continue this expansion?


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26499 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1887 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 8):
Given the restrictions faced by those heading back and forth

Restrictions? The passport thing has been delayed an extra year (good, it is a stupid idea) and it isn't particularly hard to cross.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 8):
you could risk missing your flight rather easily, which might be ok for QX - just catch the next departure - but not for Allegiant.

Actually, they have decent frequency on the Vegas flights

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 8):
Having said that, I'm sure that there is a transborder component, it would just be interesting to see what percentage of their customers are actually doing so.

I am betting it is a pretty big percentage. Vancouver is just so large compared to the population in that part of Washington that would actually consider BLI over SEA, it is a critical mass. An area like Bellingham/Blaine/Everett couldn't support 1-2 Vegas flights a day otherwise.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 8):
Don't WestJet and Air Canada fly YVR-LAS? Perhaps even AS?

It costs a fair bit more. Even pretty decent Tango fares on AC end up about $140 USD more, part because they have a $50 higher base fare, but also because there are extra taxes, as you are getting taxed by both the US and Canada (And don't blame it on the Canadians, the US only charges $11 less).

Quoting B757capt (Reply 21):

Has anyone metioned the question on where Allegiant is getting the equipment to continue this expansion?

Buying from AS, no?



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1852 times:

Quoting B757capt (Reply 21):
Has anyone metioned the question on where Allegiant is getting the equipment to continue this expansion?

They had several aircraft coming on line.

There were a couple of Allegiant aircraft that they had leased to Nordic that have now come back.

They had one aircraft parked at Tulsa.

I also heard there was an aircraft parked at Goodyear but I don't know what is going on with that.

Jeb94 has also indicated last month there were a couple of aircraft they could get for a short term lease.



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User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1842 times:

Palms Springs is a well kept secret I don't know if it's going to be as nice if it becomes another Las Vegas. It's like a little desert oasis and "little" is the key word. How does Canadian tourism play into this. They'll have to cross the border to get on this flight, that's an inconvenience. Why not fly yvr-psp?

25 B757capt : Interesting.... BTW if anyone saw the MSNBC thing on American the other night, it was great. It showed that G4 uses American in Tulsa for their Heavy
26 FATFlyer : Why are the BLI-LAS flights already so popular instead of YVR-LAS? Allegiant is going to 10 flights a week at BLI, the only city with that many LAS f
27 G4resagent : Flying out of YVR means you have to pay international tax. BLI you don't have to pay the tax.
28 N1120A : There is no international tax in the border buffer zone. You do get taxed the regular taxes by both governments plus the inspection fee, however.
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