QXRamperMEII From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 93 posts, RR: 1 Posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5354 times:
I apologize if this has been brought up already...
Over the last few days I've noticed (and been a part of) random TSA searches of on-duty airport employees badging through the security doors at PDX. We get the same level of inspection as travelling pax...hand wanded for metal, bags searched, etc. However, our same rules apply for employees. I was walking through with my normal large Coffee People cup and the guy held it for me while I took off my steel-toed ramp boots because they (surprise!) pinged the hand wand...
Is this just a PDX thing, or is it a new change across the country?
PHLJJS From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 423 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5172 times:
This is a national thing. Started cuple weeks ago. They pick the access doors at random and screen all employees coming through the door a for a couple hours each day. Airport police offficers are with or close to the TSA team at all times. The is also at least one Federal Air Marshall assigned to the TSA team at my airport.
IMatAMS From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5014 times:
Is that to say that screening of all staff entering a past-security area is NOT standard in the US? That would amaze me... In AMS everyone entering has to go through a metal detector, have their belongings x-rayed and even if the detector doesn't go off we're subject to random hand-searches....
Ralgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5004 times:
Quoting IMatAMS (Reply 5): In AMS everyone entering has to go through a metal detector, have their belongings x-rayed and even if the detector doesn't go off we're subject to random hand-searches....
Yes, but over there in Europe, your security screening is actually worth a damn (saying this from all of two times that I've been there). Over here it's pathetic. Anyone could sneak a bladder of gasoline through the security checkpoint with a minimum of fuss, even if they got the pat down and full meal deal. Here they focus on what isn't the problem (liquid explosives) and come up with half-cocked ideas that don't do a thing to increase security (restricting liquids to 3 oz. in a clear plastic bag, DUMBEST RULE EVER).
Zvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10512 posts, RR: 63
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4994 times:
Quoting IMatAMS (Reply 5): Is that to say that screening of all staff entering a past-security area is NOT standard in the US? That would amaze me... In AMS everyone entering has to go through a metal detector, have their belongings x-rayed and even if the detector doesn't go off we're subject to random hand-searches....
In the States, it is all theatre and no real security. It is just to make people feel like the government is protecting them so that they will vote for the incumbent politicians. No effort whatsoever is directed at real threats -- unless they happen to make for a good show.
Skyexramper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4880 times:
If someone wanted to do something, they could've done it already. But a note to mention. At MKE employees riding in company vechicals, from outside the airport SIDA area to inside the fence, the sheriffs only make the driver swipe their card and don't even bother to card the passenger(s). There is no attept to check the vechicals, it's a huge joke. The only exception are catering trucks, but then they only pop the back door to check the truck doesn't have illegals. I mean, I guess any other employee doesn't have access to airplanes...hehe.
L-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 30146 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4711 times:
Next thing you know they will be freezing the latex gloves before they stick them up your woo-ha.
Quoting Luketenley (Reply 9): but I have seen signs at various secure doors at PIT saying anyone passing into the sterile area through these doors is subject so search
Those have been pretty generic in the past and I think that has allways been the rule. Only in the past the airport nazi's actually believed that after the 10 years worth of background checks and references that passengers don't have to go through actually meant that airport employee's could actually be trusted.
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 7): In the States, it is all theatre and no real security
It used to be real security, and then the TSA came around and it became really bad Off-Broadway Theatre.
OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
Socalatc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 551 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4676 times:
I cant stand the TSA, or terrorist support agency, or thousands standing around agency, or thousands stupid asshole agency. I find it funny that a TSA rep only is required to go through security once during a shift. So if they go on one of their many government breaks throughout the day and leave for an hour when they return they can bypass security?? What makes them better than an airline rep that goes through the same back round check that TSA does. If anything there should be more strict rules on TSA screeners, when is the last time you heard of an airline agent getting arrested? I work for the government also, a much better agency than the TSA and I have to take off my tennis shoes if I want to go through security?? So stupid. I just cant believe that if they go through the metal detector once on their 10 hour shift they can just bypass it for the rest of the day and enter straight into the sterile area.. What are they thinking? Oh yeah, its the TSA they dont.
Srbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4628 times:
Quoting Skyexramper (Reply 8): At MKE employees riding in company vechicals, from outside the airport SIDA area to inside the fence, the sheriffs only make the driver swipe their card and don't even bother to card the passenger(s). There is no attept to check the vechicals, it's a huge joke.
Same is true @ ATL. I used to work for a magazine distributor that stocks the newsstands there and in the two years I worked for the company, the rent-a-cops that worked the security gates on the NLVRs and the access gates onto the airport searched our trucks a grand total of zero times. The only vehicles that get searched are vehicles being escorted onto the airport property. The only problem our employees ever had were with the TSA folks at security. At ATL, there is an access door by the main security checkpoint that those with SIDA badges could use. I had used it dozens of times over the years, then one day a TSA Stormtrooper informed one of our guys that those with concessionaire badges couldn't use that door. He had just come from renewing his SIDA badge (Concessionaire badges were only 1 year badges so we had to get them renewed every year) and the badge office requires leaving the sterile area. Everyone that has a SIDA badge goes through the same 10 year background check, it doesn't matter if they work for an airline or a vendor. We also had problems getting new hires onto the concourse as well. What's screwed up is that employees who had non-SIDA badges pending could be escorted into the sterile area, yet those who had SIDA badges pending couldn't. Our boss would have a letter from the head of the airport security office saying that our company was allowed to escort new-hires into the sterile area, but the TSA would sometimes not allow our folks to escort them in.