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When Will EK Fly DXB-LAX?  
User currently offlineBoeingfever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Posted (8 years 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4910 times:

I was wondering again when EK plans to launch service to LAX? What is the hold up on launching this route? Is it slots or rights or something else?

Also what a/c would EK use on this route?

A345
772LR
773ER

Is there even enough traffic between LAX and DXB to launch this route being Dubai is touted as the tour capital of the Middle East?


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4887 times:

This is just a guess, but:

There isn't enough premium traffic to warrant the super luxury 345 into LAX vs. another route where it fills the suites.

The other jets they have lack range until the 772LR arrives.



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User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7687 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4858 times:

Beats me, but I do think the route can be supported. Im not sure if a nonstop will be done or if the route will be done via Europe. LAX should definately be EK's next stop in America above all others. I think they would be foolish not to come here.


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User currently offlineMEACEDAR From Lebanon, joined Oct 2006, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4820 times:

My friend who works as a pilot for EK said that they are debating to go to LAX whn the A380 is delivered. Trust me, there is a lot of traffic between DXB and LAX, mostly in the summer because all the people who live in Dubai go to the US becuase of California's beutiful weather unlike Dubai's. In addition, people for other Middle Eastern coutries that do not offer Middle East- America flights can be connected in DXB for a flight to the US, instead of going to Europe.

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4822 times:

They could also go via Japan...

But if they always fly east, the 772LR can do the trip without issues. DXB-LAX flying east north of Japan is about 8600nm with a very strong tail wind. LAX-DXB going east is about 8000nm, again with a hefty tail wind for some of the flight. With DXB being a net importer, they'd have decent low density cargo ability on the LAX-DXB sector as well.



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User currently offlineNateDAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4798 times:

No one knows.

I'll guess one year after IAH.



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User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4733 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
The other jets they have lack range until the 772LR arrives.

When will they start getting their (10) 772LR, also the 773ER couldn't make this run or would there be restrictions? I know they fly it to SYD, SIN, AKL, JFK, and MAN.

Does not EK have about 12-13 of these active in the fleet now?

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 2):
Im not sure if a nonstop will be done or if the route will be done via Europe.


Where in Europe? LHR, MAN?

Quoting NateDAL (Reply 5):
I'll guess one year after IAH.

Doubtful... IAH is on the list but not before LAX or SFO I would think.



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User currently offlineNateDAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4652 times:

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 6):
Doubtful... IAH is on the list but not before LAX or SFO I would think.

Honestly, I think IAH is more likely than LAX and far, far more likely than SFO.

EK's only codeshare destination (besides NYC) is IAH, their president has said that they were going to start Houston soon, there is even a UK CAA study advocating this service: http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/589/Regionalfifths_casestudy1.pdf

To me, it seems that IAH just makes more sense from a business perspective. Houston has many business ties to the region which make it likely that premium classes will sell well; European airlines have done extremely well in premium sales. There is pleny of VFR traffic to help fill the back of the plane. LAX would probably do better than IAH for Y demand, but I don't know about premium classes. SFO is smaller than Houston and doesn't have the business ties...

I say IAH first.



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User currently offlineNYCFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1388 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4619 times:

DXB would be good for the Iranian population in LAX, who can visit THR (though they'd probably have to buy two tickets).

User currently offlineEjazz From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2002, 723 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4609 times:

AUH-LAX is already being planned for a start date in 2007 by Etihad, provided our requirements are met. Its too far for the B77W but the A345 can fly the route.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33038 posts, RR: 71
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4587 times:

Quoting NateDAL (Reply 7):
Honestly, I think IAH is more likely than LAX and far, far more likely than SFO.

SFO-DXB was loaded into GDS in 2005, but it never started. I'd say SFO will happen well before IAH ever does.



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User currently offlineBaron52ta From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4571 times:

Quoting NateDAL (Reply 7):
Honestly, I think IAH is more likely than LAX

EK does plan to introduce Dxb-Lax as one their first A380 routes as soon as they have a final date from Airbus on delivery it is to be announced.


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7309 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4503 times:
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Back to the topic at hand.

Matt, your obsessed with EK dude!  yes   checkmark 

I'd love to see a EK 772LR at TBIT.  bouncy 

Is anything confirmed on EK even flying to LAX?

Quoting Baron52ta (Reply 11):
A380

As stated previously, the route might not even warrant a A345. Please explain why you think they should send a A380 to LAX?  confused 



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User currently offlineOldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3545 posts, RR: 67
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4299 times:

Quoting Baron52ta (Reply 11):
Quoting NateDAL (Reply 7):
Honestly, I think IAH is more likely than LAX

EK does plan to introduce Dxb-Lax as one their first A380 routes as soon as they have a final date from Airbus on delivery it is to be announced

The EK 772LR's will be flying this route non-stop long before they receive their first A380.

In addition, the A380 can't fly the route non-stop unless payload is significantly restricted.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4284 times:

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 8):
DXB would be good for the Iranian population in LAX, who can visit THR (though they'd probably have to buy two tickets).

But a large portion of those Iranians are not allowed to go back to Iran. It's why they are here to begin with...

Quoting Baron52ta (Reply 11):
EK does plan to introduce Dxb-Lax as one their first A380 routes as soon as they have a final date from Airbus on delivery it is to be announced.

I just don't get this. The A380 does not have the range for this route, so it must be a 5th freedom flight. Where is it going to come from?

And as someone else said, is EK that arrogant that they would start a route with the largest aircraft in the world? If there is so much demand, why aren't they sending a 1 stop 77W there now?



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User currently offlineEmirates777 From Tanzania, joined Feb 2000, 655 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4228 times:

The B777-200LRs start arriving from the end of August 2007. A US service outside of JFK will be launched sometime in 4Q2007 by when they will enough aircraft to operate a daily service. The routes that are in contention for the first service are DXB-IAH, DXB-LAX and DXB-SFO.

Rgds
Emirates777


User currently offlineMEACEDAR From Lebanon, joined Oct 2006, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 days ago) and read 4118 times:

Quoting NateDAL (Reply 7):
Honestly, I think IAH is more likely than LAX and far, far more likely than SFO.

HOUSTON!!! What the heck? I really doubt they will go to IAH before LAX or even before SFO. Another option is LAS.


User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4513 posts, RR: 53
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4080 times:

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 16):
HOUSTON!!! What the heck? I really doubt they will go to IAH before LAX or even before SFO. Another option is LAS.

Uh...what on earth are you talking about? Dubai - Las Vegas? Are you joking me? Where does a 13 year old get off talking about which destinations Emirates should start serving

If you don't already know this, Houston is not just a random destination for traffic from the Middle East - there is business travel due to the prominence of the oil industry in Houston, though as I understand it this is not nearly as important a consideration as it was several years ago.



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User currently offlineEta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2083 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4072 times:

Most THR traffic flies via Lufthansa or Swiss. It is legal to buy USA-Iran tickets in the USA, so only one ticket is required.

User currently offlineBoeingfever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4023 times:

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 13):
The EK 772LR's will be flying this route non-stop long before they receive their first A380.



So sad for Airbus... But so true. So you think EK will start DXB-LAX in winter 07' when they start getting 772LR's?


BTW: Whoever suggested DXB-LAS needs to be slapped stupid. Dubia already has a 7star hotel/casino!  yes 



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User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4011 times:

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 16):
HOUSTON!!! What the heck? I really doubt they will go to IAH before LAX or even before SFO. Another option is LAS.

All the Houston naysayers on this forum make me laugh.
As NateDal has mentioned, EK has an established codeshare out of IAH and will probably send their own metal to IAH, sooner rather than later. In fact outside of the NYC market, EK only presence in the Americas, via codeshare or their own metal, is at IAH.

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[Edited 2006-10-20 21:51:48]

User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7687 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3978 times:

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 20):
All the Houston naysayers on this forum make me laugh.
As NateDal has mentioned, EK has an established codeshare out of IAH and will probably send their own metal to IAH, sooner rather than later. In fact outside of the NYC market, EK only presence in the Americas, via codeshare or their own metal, is at IAH.

I think EK will show up at IAH, but not before LAX. The Los Angeles metro area is around 3 times the size of Houston and LAX is almost twice as busy. The middle eastern community is much larger in LA. The one thing Houston might have is better connection opprotunites on CO.



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3945 times:

A couple of things to consider:

1. Whenever proposed SFO or LAX to Dubai routes were discussed in the past, the A346HGW aircraft was always mentioned as aircraft of choice for these future routes. The EK order for the A346HGW has been put on hold (or has it been cancelled, its still unclear) so can we conclude that the LAX and SFO routes have also been put on hold? We dont know.

2. Most of us have been amazed at the number of airplanes that EK has on order and almost could not imagine exactly where EK would fly to in order to put those airplanes to work.....but, interestingly, deliveries of those airplanes is not happening: there is the A346 order mentioned above, thats about 20 airplanes (including the airframes to be leased from ILFC), the A380 story is one that we are all aware of and the result of the A380 delays will mean that EK will grow much slower than anticipated, and EK has still not made a commitment to the 787 or A350.......the longer EK waits, the later the airplanes will be delivered. As hard as it is to imagine, EK does not have enough airplanes to continue expanding at the furious pace that was expected, so we may not see service to LAX, SFO (or IAH) in the near term future.

3. Aside from the cities mentioned, EK at one point was very close to announcing service to GRU, GIG and/or EZE......those cities must be considered when talking service to the Americas. Will EK add another US city, or head to South America for its next longhaul service?


User currently offlineUK_Dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2595 posts, RR: 30
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3926 times:

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 16):
Another option is LAS.



Quoting Boeingfever777 (Reply 19):
BTW: Whoever suggested DXB-LAS needs to be slapped stupid. Dubia already has a 7star hotel/casino!

Well, bearing in mind that Muslims should not gamble, I think DXB or AUH to LAS would be pretty unlikely! ...and I can assure you that the Burj Al Arab will not have a casino for the same reason.


User currently offlineOldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3545 posts, RR: 67
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3904 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 22):
1. Whenever proposed SFO or LAX to Dubai routes were discussed in the past, the A346HGW aircraft was always mentioned as aircraft of choice for these future routes. The EK order for the A346HGW has been put on hold (or has it been cancelled, its still unclear) so can we conclude that the LAX and SFO routes have also been put on hold? We dont know.

Except the A346HGW does not have the range to fly this route. The A345 or 772LR is required. Of the two, the 772LR has more payload capability and will probably be used for the route.



Airplane design is easy, the difficulty is getting them to fly - Barnes Wallis
25 Dutchjet : A valid point, but isnt EK is positioning itself as a ""World Carrier"" connecting key destinations worldwide via the Dubai hub? With this approach,
26 OldAeroGuy : The great circle distance between DXB and LAX is about 7250 nm. The 773ER and the A346HGW with full pax payloads to Boeing and Airbus specs have rang
27 Ikramerica : I'm not a huge Vegas fan, but I've been there a few times without gambling a dime. They used to make all their money on casinos, but now they charge
28 PolymerPlane : You'll be surprised how strict islamic law is. I would guess that being in a casino is already against the law. Cheers, PP
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