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Lufthansa Adds Extra Daily Frequency DTW-FRA!  
User currently offlineBRAVO7E7 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1840 posts, RR: 17
Posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6827 times:

Just heard that LH will be adding another daily flight for DTW-FRA come March.

Flight looks like this:
Lufthansa
LH 487 Detroit Metro (DTW), Detroit, Michigan, USA
Terminal EM 21:55
Frankfurt Int'l (FRA), Frankfurt, Germany
Terminal 1 11:55+1 day(s)
Non-stop
333 8h00min Daily


While I don't have a press release yet, this is official. Hope this can benefit someone in either the DTW or FRA area...

Cheers!

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User currently offlineNeilalp From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1034 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6771 times:

 bigthumbsup 
That's great!


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 4504 posts, RR: 71
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6661 times:

Two daily flights indeed next summer:

LH442 FRA DTW 1315 1615 - daily A333
LH443 DTW FRA 1815 0815 - daily A333

LH486 FRA DTW 1705 2005 - daily A333
LH487 DTW FRA 2155 1155 - daily A333

That is quite astonishing as DTW does not offer any onward connections to speak of.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7591 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6635 times:

The international gates at the Worldgateway sure will be busy next summer with this new flight, plus NW's new 757 Trans-Atlantic flights.

That means that they will be used more for their intended purposes. Of course LH will move over to the new North Terminal when it opens in 2008.


User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6615 times:

I wonder if DEN will see this happen as well...until LH starts flying the A380 to DENSmile


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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6616 times:

Why two LH flights since LH isn't even in Sky Team? You would think that KLM would come back or Air France would add a second flight. Is there enough market to fill two A333s? You would think that LH would bring in a A346 or 744 first. Maybe that will eventually leave the option open for LH to bring an A380 to DTW down the road if there is that much demand.

User currently offlineSpeedBird203 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 295 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 6491 times:

Tut Lufthansa!! If anyone i would want that BA flight to add another lol. That's strange, I thought LH would add another route or an permanent aircraft upgrade as usually they sometimes switch that 333 to a A340-300, So sales must be really good on this flight, Like i said before anything pops up about DTW i'm desperately in a rush to find out lol. I regularly fly BA203 and 202 from and to LHR that's probably why, It will be cool to see another LH flight into the metro though, I just thought BA might either make an upgrade or another flight on the route, Will be interesting though, I thought LH would put just a single 744 on the LH 442 flight, But i guess this is even better! lol . That new schedule is pretty tight, Hope there isn't any long delays.  Wink


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User currently onlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6314 times:

Quoting SpeedBird203 (Reply 6):
That's strange, I thought LH would add another route or an permanent aircraft upgrade as usually they sometimes switch that 333 to a A340-300,

Actually the 330-300 and 340-300 have exactly the same size. The only difference is the range. Therefore they probably can take more freight on the 340 but not more passengers.


User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6305 times:

I wonder that there is no morning departure. Both flights are relatively late and missing the morning bank to North America.Usually an 10:00 o'clock departure from Europe is interesting for business pax who want to show up in the office for the afternoon.

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6263 times:

Very surprising and unexpected - I did not think that Detroit was such a strong and well peforming station for LH. Two daily A333s is a lot of seats.....especially considering that LH and NW do not have any special working relationship (Star vs SkyTeam) concerning connections in Detroit.

Two possibilities:

LH is doing very well with passengers travelling between Detroit and the Middle East/Gulf/eastern Europe.

LH landed a major contract with one of the automakers and needs the seats to satisfy that contract.

LH's new second flight on DTW-FRA is especiailly interesting since BA seems to struggle with its DTW-LHR service, flying a 763ER on the route and now flying IAH-DTW-Heathrow to keep the airplanes filled.


User currently onlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 6217 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 9):
LH landed a major contract with one of the automakers and needs the seats to satisfy that contract.

There you could be right. Daimler-Chrysler probably?


User currently onlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9387 posts, RR: 29
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 6212 times:

There is an "automobile cluster" around Frankfurt, many contracting companies in that business here in the area, plus Opel (GM) of course. Many companies in that business have located here because of the airport. That is the basic traffic which is high yield even in Y since many flights may be booked on short notice.


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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 4504 posts, RR: 71
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 6198 times:

Further to the extra FRA DTW roundtrip, Lufthansa is also adding an extra daily FRA EWR flight next summer, also bringing the total to two daily:

LH402 FRA EWR 1255 1515 - daily B744
LH403 EWR FRA 1715 0630 - daily B744

LH482 FRA EWR 1715 1955 - daily A333
LH483 EWR FRA 2150 1125 - daily A333

I wonder whether NW and/or CO will retaliate with additional capacity into FRA.


User currently offlineDTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1567 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 6115 times:

Strange that NW has not pursued adding a second DTW-FRA flight all these years.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 9):
LH's new second flight on DTW-FRA is especiailly interesting since BA seems to struggle with its DTW-LHR service, flying a 763ER on the route and now flying IAH-DTW-Heathrow to keep the airplanes filled.

Is that really the case? I looked at a current BA schedule and it shows DTW-LHR nonstop. Also this route has been operated by 777 at times.



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User currently offlineFedexexpress From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 6108 times:

DTW doing quite well i would say!


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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 6081 times:

Quoting DTW757 (Reply 13):
Is that really the case? I looked at a current BA schedule and it shows DTW-LHR nonstop. Also this route has been operated by 777 at times.

See:
BA LHR-DTW Time Changes (by SpeedBird203 Oct 13 2006 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 5975 times:

I was spotting with someone at DTW a couple weeks ago and he was telling me he heard that the BA flight would go through DTW twice during the day, once on the way to IAH and then on the return back to LHR.

User currently offlineDTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1567 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 5882 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 15):
Quoting DTW757 (Reply 13):
Is that really the case? I looked at a current BA schedule and it shows DTW-LHR nonstop. Also this route has been operated by 777 at times.

See:
BA LHR-DTW Time Changes (by SpeedBird203 Oct 13 2006 in Civil Aviation)

I see on the schedule now where the flight is operating IAH-DTW-LHR and opposite on the return. That makes sense that it would be nonstop DTW-LHR then. What confused me to begin with is that I confused IAH with IAD. Helps when you have the right airport in mind. LOL



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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2226 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 5874 times:

Quoting DTW757 (Reply 17):
What confused me to begin with is that I confused IAH with IAD. Helps when you have the right airport in mind. LOL

An easy mistake to make, because the BA flight for many years routed DTW-IAD-LHR.



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User currently offlineSpeedBird203 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 295 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 5742 times:

Its unfortunate that the BA flight is having a bit of a stuggle, I didn't expect it when flying as the aircraft looked like a pretty full load, But things change i realise. I remember when BA used to have there 744 and 772 on the flight, Grr why did it change lol.


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User currently offlineLHUSA From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 564 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 5684 times:

Wow... Double-daily to DTW. Looks like it's more the flexibility of offering two flights for the business pax than simply adding extra capacity wit a 744. I wonder how NW is going to react?

User currently offlineDTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1567 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 5664 times:

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 18):
An easy mistake to make, because the BA flight for many years routed DTW-IAD-LHR.

I think for a while it was routed DTW-YUL-LHR as well.

Quoting SpeedBird203 (Reply 19):
Its unfortunate that the BA flight is having a bit of a stuggle, I didn't expect it when flying as the aircraft looked like a pretty full load, But things change i realise. I remember when BA used to have there 744 and 772 on the flight, Grr why did it change lol.

How do the NW fares compare from LGW to the BA fares from LHR? Perhaps customers are choosing NW?



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User currently offlineSpeedBird203 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 295 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 5633 times:

Quoting DTW757 (Reply 21):
How do the NW fares compare from LGW to the BA fares from LHR? Perhaps customers are choosing NW?

From my understandings, NWA are higher in fares than BA, That's why i tend to travel with BA, However if you go to NWA.com and proceed with booking a flight you can actually view a live seat map of how busy that flight is, And when i last checked there were alot of empty seats, I thought many people would choose BA from LHR, than NWA from Gatwick.



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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 5605 times:

Back when it was BOAC flying the VC-10 it was DTW-BOS-LHR

User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3292 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 5597 times:

NW also has the benefit of feeder traffic DTW, where BA does not. I don't think BA does enough marketing in DTW, especially when it comes to pointing out that they use the much more convenient London airport....

25 Post contains images WA707atMSP : Actually, it was routed DTW-YMX (Montreal Mirabel)-LHR, because transatlantic flights were not allowed to use Dorval for many years. BA had full loca
26 BAtriple7 : This is excellent news for us European DTW lovers. This is not always the case. However I'd choose NW anyday, just because their A330s are newer, and
27 Dc10srule : Previously stated: "There is an "automobile cluster" around Frankfurt, many contracting companies in that business here in the area, plus Opel (GM) of
28 Post contains images SpeedBird203 : Now i'm gonna complain about that statement... There not manky lol, They have been upgraded, They have a new In Flight System, And i love the 767, It
29 Post contains images BAtriple7 : Hmmmm, you wouldn't be a certain BA 767 pilot I know, would you?
30 IAD380 : I read on this site that NW will start flying from DTW to DUS next year. I am curious why LH did not chose MUC for its second daily flight from DTW. L
31 Dutchjet : Three reasons come to mind: 1. MUC is solid STAR alliance territory, with many premium/business travellers loyal to LH and other STAR carriers which
32 IAD380 : Thank you. I understand why NW chose DUS for its second destination in Germany. My question is why LH did not choose to MUC for its second daily flig
33 Post contains images Dutchjet : I misread your post, sorry.......although I think that I did a good job explaining NW's decision to launch DUS! Why is LH running a second flight to
34 B707Stu : IT's not about connections at DTW, it's about connections at DTW and originating connecting traffice at DTW through FRA and back.
35 IAD380 : Thank you, Dutchjet. Your explanations about NW's decision to launch service to DUS and LH's decision to chose FRA, not MUC, for its second daily fli
36 DTWAGENT : I remember when DL was flying out of DTW to LGW Non stop. That was after they bought the Pan Am rights. I wish they would bring back that flight. Sinc
37 Dutchjet : Delta SOLD that authority to NW........DL can no longer fly DTW-London.
38 Johnnybgoode : this is probably quite true. as stated above, this must be seen in connection with traffic flows through FRA. I would have expected a second daily to
39 JoFMO : Although the motor industry is big around Munich, neither Audi nor BMW has a bigger interest in Detroit. FRA is much better located in regards to car
40 Hjulicher : Aren't VW Audi Bentley headquarters in Auburn Hills, MI? A suburb of Detroit? I think that they are interested in Detroit, it's just that this wasn't
41 NASCARAirforce : VW's American headquarters are in the Detroit area. I believe they use a BBJ, I have seen pictures of it at PTK
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