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NW 787 Seat Layout  
User currently offlineMSPGUY From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 190 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 19901 times:

Our local paper had this to say about Northwest's 787 seat count. So the question is, how many abreast in coach and what width?

Northwest will take delivery of the 18 twin-engine Boeing 787s over three years. The model that Northwest is getting will seat 36 passengers in business class and 185 customers in coach.

"The Boeing 787 will provide our customers with unmatched innovations in comfort, including a new interior environment with higher humidity, wider seats and aisles, larger windows and other conveniences," Northwest spokesman Kurt Ebenhoch said.


full link to the article here, it talks about other aspects of the company also.

http://www.startribune.com/535/story/754589.html


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21529 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 19650 times:

That's an 8Y configuration, assuming that the newspaper is correct.

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/acaps/787sec2.pdf

See page 11. There is a 36J configuration right there (though they mistakenly call it 60J, the total is 36J+191Y=227). For a longer range configuration, you'd need to take out 6 seats or so for more lav/galley space.

I hope CO does the same thing. 18.5" seats in Y with 22" aisles?



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User currently offlineDanimarroquin From Colombia, joined Jan 2005, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 19281 times:

why does it shows some stair on the graphic , close to the flight deck ?

[Edited 2006-10-20 19:28:24]

User currently offlineSkyTaxi From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 19215 times:

Quoting Danimarroquin (Reply 2):
why does it shows some stair on the graphic , close to the flight deck ?

Overhead crewrest access.


User currently offlineATLflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 736 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 19133 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
See page 11. There is a 36J configuration right there (though they mistakenly call it 60J, the total is 36J+191Y=227). For a longer range configuration, you'd need to take out 6 seats or so for more lav/galley space

But doesn't Boeing quote the J pitch as 38'' or something like that? I know NW will have a higher pitch than that. I hope you are right though. I'd love to see the US Carriers put 8-abreast in economy. It really would make a statement.


User currently offlineATLflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 736 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 19117 times:

This sounds promising though from the Star Tribune:

"The Boeing 787 will provide our customers with unmatched innovations in comfort, including a new interior environment with higher humidity, wider seats and aisles, larger windows and other conveniences," Northwest spokesman Kurt Ebenhoch said.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21529 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 19100 times:

Quoting ATLflyer (Reply 4):
But doesn't Boeing quote the J pitch as 38'' or something like that?

What part of see page 11 don't you understand?  Wink

Seriously, look at the page.
That is not 38"J. It is 60". The 788 will fit 4-5 rows of J at 55-60" between doors 1 and 2. This plan has 4 rows, plus 2 additional rows behind door 2.

Next to it is a 38" F domestic configuration. Notice the difference.

The 36J configuration shown is very close to what you will see on the NW plane if the numbers in the article are accurate. 2-2-2J at 60" and 21" wide seats, 2-4-2 Y at 32" and 18.5-19" wide seats.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21529 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 19064 times:

If you want to see what AA's configuration will likely be similar to, look at the left image on page 10. 8F pods, 32J at 60", and Y seats at 32" (though I think they might go 9Y in 3 class). This assumes they do 3 class and not two like on the 763.

Quoting SkyTaxi (Reply 3):
Overhead crewrest access.

Actually, that is not a stair. That is how Boeing draws galley space. It's all over like that on the 787 and every other Boeing planning brochure, even tiny planes like the 737NG.

On page 10, you will see the overhead rests broken out on the side, and the tiny ladders that are included to reach the rests. They don't show them on page 11 because those are short-medium range configurations (no overhead rests). But two class carriers like NW, CO, DL etc would add the crew rests rather than give up revenue seats in J and Y.



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User currently offlineSkyTaxi From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 18895 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
Actually, that is not a stair. That is how Boeing draws galley space. It's all over like that on the 787 and every other Boeing planning brochure, even tiny planes like the 737NG.

On page 10, you will see the overhead rests broken out on the side, and the tiny ladders that are included to reach the rests. They don't show them on page 11 because those are short-medium range configurations (no overhead rests). But two class carriers like NW, CO, DL etc would add the crew rests rather than give up revenue seats in J and Y.

Yes, the galleys are clearly marked with a "G", the crew rest stairs are noted with an arrow to the ladder, I thought Danimaroquin saw this also.


User currently offlineBeech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 18777 times:

Moved post to a new thread.

[Edited 2006-10-20 21:36:37]


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User currently offlineATLflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 736 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 18709 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
What part of see page 11 don't you understand?

Seriously, look at the page.
That is not 38"J. It is 60". The 788 will fit 4-5 rows of J at 55-60" between doors 1 and 2. This plan has 4 rows, plus 2 additional rows behind door 2.

Next to it is a 38" F domestic configuration. Notice the difference.

The 36J configuration shown is very close to what you will see on the NW plane if the numbers in the article are accurate. 2-2-2J at 60" and 21" wide seats, 2-4-2 Y at 32" and 18.5-19" wide seats.

Well great..then we will see NW with an eight-abreast economy class!


User currently offlineBeech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 18647 times:

Quoting ATLflyer (Reply 10):
Well great..then we will see NW with an eight-abreast economy class!

This is great news. 75% of the economy seats will be preffered seats. Excellent! Only bettered by the 767. King of the "preffered" seats!



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User currently offlineGh123 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 17742 times:

Is the 787 just a glorified, up to date 767?

User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 17686 times:

Quoting ATLflyer (Reply 4):
But doesn't Boeing quote the J pitch as 38'' or something like that? I know NW will have a higher pitch than that. I hope you are right though. I'd love to see the US Carriers put 8-abreast in economy. It really would make a statement.

NW is using these jets on its Asian routes. The people at NW aren't dumb, they know what their competition is like. They have to offer a first rate product, and NW has not recently had huge loads on many of their expansion routes in the pacific - good, but not out of control loads. The 8 abreast Y fits the bill here. They'd rather put fewer, better seats, and fill them all, than put more seats and have them go empty. Plus, 787 range varies pretty largely based on load.

Good for NW.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21529 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 17652 times:

Quoting Gh123 (Reply 12):
Is the 787 just a glorified, up to date 767?

Pretty much.

It's a 767 with:

New wings
New fuselage
New avionics
New engines
New materials
Wider cabin
More seats per row
Wider seats (on standard configuration)
Bigger windows
Overhead crew rests
Large cargo hold
Higher humidity
Lower cabin altitude
Greater range

I mean, why did Boeing even bother? It's basically the same plane!  Smile



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 17625 times:

Quoting Gh123 (Reply 12):
Is the 787 just a glorified, up to date 767?

Actually, the 787 is the latest update of the 707-120. You are kidding, arent you?


User currently offlineSkyTaxi From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 17283 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 14):
New wings
New fuselage
New avionics
New engines
New materials
Wider cabin
More seats per row
Wider seats (on standard configuration)
Bigger windows
Overhead crew rests
Large cargo hold
Higher humidity
Lower cabin altitude
Greater range

30% fuel savings is a new gimmick that Boeing is also farting around with on the 787.


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9208 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 17221 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 14):
It's a 767 with:

New wings
New fuselage
New avionics
New engines
New materials
Wider cabin
More seats per row
Wider seats (on standard configuration)
Bigger windows
Overhead crew rests
Large cargo hold
Higher humidity
Lower cabin altitude
Greater range

Right... It's another 21st century version of the 767, just with a new design of... pretty much everything.

Since people like to link aviation developments with automotive, I suppose we'll start to see people say that the Chevy Cobalt is just another glorified Cavalier...

The Cobalt and Cavalier are different, as are the 767 and 787 IMO...



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User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2688 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 17128 times:

Where will the 787s fly? Of course MSP, DTW, NRT, AMS and possibly MEM.
My guesses from MSP and DTW:
MSP-CDG
DTW-Osaka
MSP-HKG
DTW-HKG

Any suggestions?



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User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 16915 times:

Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 18):
Any suggestions?

MEM-NRT
MEM-EZE
MEM-GRU



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User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2688 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 16875 times:

MEM-EZE and MEM-GRU? Why would there be these routes?


It ain't no normal MD80 its a Super 80!
User currently offlineSkyvanMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 16566 times:

I just realized, only overhead bins on the side, not in the middle area, is there going to be any ability for an operaotr to make it so that there are 4 bins with wide rather than just 2?


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User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3203 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 16117 times:

Quoting SkyvanMan (Reply 21):
I just realized, only overhead bins on the side, not in the middle area,

What gives you this impression? Are you looking at 2.5.1 on page 9 of the .pdf? If so, on closer inspection you may notice that the overheads to port and starboard are illustrated in their open position. The central ones are closed and are therefore less obvious. In fact, they tidy away very nicely don't you think?

I hope the premiere airlines that use them for long-haul all choose eight abreast configs in economy I.E. SQ, NZ, AC, QF etc

Regards
MH



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User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 15978 times:

Quoting Gh123 (Reply 12):
Is the 787 just a glorified, up to date 767?

Yes, and better in almost every way. And folks LOVE the 767. Now you get a 'dream' 767. Much greater range, comfort, etc., etc., etc. Kind of like the 747 is a glorified Wright Flyer.



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User currently offlineATLflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 736 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 14958 times:

Well if NW is offering 8-abreast economy, then I can't see Continental even considering 9-abreast...they will never let NW outdo them! I am sure they will introduce a new BusinessFirst Seat as well...

User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2688 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13573 times:

Doesn't Minneapolis/St.Paul have a big Irish population? Every St.Patricks day theres a big celebration. If MSP (the city not the airport) has a lot of Irish then could there be non stop 787 service from MSP-Dublin?


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