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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3787 times:

Emirates are starting service to Barcelona and Eldoret(Kenya) once weekly each with A310F.

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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4675 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 3609 times:

Already some weeks ago, they also launched a dedicated freighter service to MUC, once weekly with A310F, too.


Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3329 times:

How many A310F's does EK SkyCargo have and where do these A310F's fly to? AFAIK not many (?)

A388


User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2487 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3321 times:

Quote:
How many A310F's does EK SkyCargo have and where do these A310F's fly to? AFAIK not many (?)

A388


Not sure, but think 2 are in service with the 3th being converted.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3316 times:

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 3):
Not sure, but think 2 are in service with the 3th being converted.

Hey MauriceB, what's up. As per the airliners.net database EK has 3 A310F's which are used on cargo flights to ZRH, VIE, MUC, MXP and SIN? Maybe also to FRA, BKK?

A388


User currently offlineStylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 2904 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3179 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 4):
FRA

FRA get the B747 mostly operated by AtlasAir


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3105 times:

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 5):

Alright, makes much more sense when looking at the two markets. Thanks for the correction  Smile

A388


User currently offlineDZ09 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3044 times:

Although I will be checking with EK directly next week, just wondering if they have cargo service to/from the US to/from DXB. Also, what is the difference between regular airline cargo services from that of a dedicated cargo airline like DHL or Fedex?

User currently offlineStylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 2904 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3034 times:

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 7):
what is the difference between regular airline cargo services from that of a dedicated cargo airline like DHL or Fedex?

I think there is no difference in the operation. The only difference is that companies like DHL, FedEX, UPS, etc. are primarily specialized in moving only cargo and no pax, but you can correct me if i am wrong  Smile


User currently offlineDZ09 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3034 times:

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 8):
I think there is no difference in the operation. The only difference is that companies like DHL, FedEX, UPS, etc. are primarily specialized in moving only cargo and no pax, but you can correct me if i am wrong

In that case can we get some miles out of them for some serious shipping to DXB!


User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2487 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3025 times:

Well i know that Emirates is desperate to get AMS slots. They want to fly Pax into AMS really much, but the slots that they can get they use it for Cargo ops, as they are still trying to make AMS the European cargo hub, just like SIA, wich also isn;t succesfull!

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3015 times:

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 7):
Although I will be checking with EK directly next week, just wondering if they have cargo service to/from the US to/from DXB. Also, what is the difference between regular airline cargo services from that of a dedicated cargo airline like DHL or Fedex?

EK Sky Cargo has full cargo flights to/from JFK which originate from DXB I assume. The only difference being that they outsource the aircraft and crew to 5Y (ACMI contract).

As for the difference between regular airline cargo and dedicated cargo airlines is the nature of the cargo. Full cargo airlines like EK Sky Cargo, LH Cargo or NCA can carry more different types of cargo (volume wise and weight wise speaking, oversized cargo). This is logical as cargo going with regular airlines is mostly belly or bulk cargo which is much smaller in size. Only when the cargo is carried on the maindeck of a combi aircraft, you can carry larger cargo (with more limitations compared to full cargo aircraft) but that's it. DHL is not entirely a dedicated cargo airline as they now offer supply chain solutions besides being an express courier which is how they started out with. They do not carry express packages alone as they used to but now offer a much wider product (logistics supply chain solutions). Most worldwide express couriers are no longer only offering express cargo services but are going (or have gone) into the direction of offering the complete package throughout the entire supply chain and not just door-to-door express services. Regular dedicated full cargo airlines also offer a range of cargo services (incl. services by road) but they often don't deliver door-to-door but rather airport-to-airport services. Typical to full cargo airlines is their ability to transport oversized cargo such as long pipelines, engines of all sorts, cars, perishable cargo, dangerous goods and the likes.

This is very generally speaking the difference between cargo going with regular airlines or fully dedicated cargo airlines.

A388


User currently offlineDZ09 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3009 times:

Interesting. I deal extensively with DHL Danzas, but will certainly check with EK/Atlas as we're always trying to cut cost.

User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5900 posts, RR: 40
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2996 times:

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 12):
Interesting. I deal extensively with DHL Danzas, but will certainly check with EK/Atlas as we're always trying to cut cost.

EK will not offer you a direct solution, the cargo airlines are working with forwarders like DHL/Danzas, but yes you should change to another forwarder, pm me and I will let you know a better company  Wink,

the mentioned integrators are working direclty with the companys, that for example one of the differences.... but there are also cargo airlines around that are dealing directly with the end-customers....



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2996 times:

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 12):
Interesting. I deal extensively with DHL Danzas, but will certainly check with EK/Atlas as we're always trying to cut cost

Worldwide couriers are now called integrators and they are now known for taking over more large cargo related companies. or starting franchise-type co-operations. Just to give an example, in almost all continents you will find the worldwide famous yellow/red DHL aircraft whether it is their own aircraft or another cargo airline that has been contracted to fly for DHL exclusively or being taken over by DHL/Danzas. And yes, the core business within logistics is looking for the cheapest cargo solutions. I used to work for a major U.S. based cargo airline at AMS so I'm aware of how it works in the cargo business  Smile

A388


User currently offlinePatroni From Luxembourg, joined Aug 1999, 1403 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2860 times:

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 12):
Interesting. I deal extensively with DHL Danzas, but will certainly check with EK/Atlas as we're always trying to cut cost.

DHL/Danzas is not an airline but rather a forwarder. So when you ship your cargo with them, it might well be carried by EK or other carriers such as CV, LH, KL, MP...


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2775 times:

Quoting Patroni (Reply 15):
DHL/Danzas is not an airline but rather a forwarder. So when you ship your cargo with them, it might well be carried by EK or other carriers such as CV, LH, KL, MP...

DHL indeed also works with other (cargo) airlines to be able to offer better (supply chain) solutions. But DHL/Danzas is more than just a forwarder as they own their own aircraft fleet besides co-operating with other airlines. Forwarders don't own their own aircraft.

A388


User currently offlinePatroni From Luxembourg, joined Aug 1999, 1403 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2751 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 16):
Forwarders don't own their own aircraft.

Yes, so let's be more precise and call DHL a vertically integrated forwarder (especially since the acquisition of several more "traditional" forwardes such as Danzas). What I wanted to point out with my post is the fact that if a shipment is booked with DHL Danzas it does not necessarily fly on a DHL aircraft.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days ago) and read 2689 times:

Quoting Patroni (Reply 17):
What I wanted to point out with my post is the fact that if a shipment is booked with DHL Danzas it does not necessarily fly on a DHL aircraft.

Oww okay, you are correct  Smile

A388


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5900 posts, RR: 40
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2535 times:

Quoting Patroni (Reply 17):
What I wanted to point out with my post is the fact that if a shipment is booked with DHL Danzas it does not necessarily fly on a DHL aircraft.

very true, I would even say that the bigger part of Cargo tat Danzas moves is moved not with a DHL aircraft.

regards



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