Lumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 21 Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 22993 times:
My compliments to the pilots and TCAS!
"When all is said and done, more will be said than done".
Bobster2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 22956 times:
They continued to London with all the "stewardesses" injured in "an impromptu sick bay". That sounds a bit weird. Is it legal to fly across the Atlantic with all the flight crew "stood down"? Do the passengers get their own food and drinks, or were they left with nothing?
Zeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 7768 posts, RR: 73 Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 22913 times:
Surprised the BA pilots were not arrested and had their passports held...opps only in South America are pilots blamed for controller slip ups....silly me
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Wsan581 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 178 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 22874 times:
Quoting Bobster2 (Reply 4): They continued to London with all the "stewardesses" injured in "an impromptu sick bay". That sounds a bit weird. Is it legal to fly across the Atlantic with all the flight crew "stood down"?
My thoughts as well. Why would you continue when you don't know the full extent of injuries.
WNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1322 posts, RR: 9 Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 22829 times:
Quoting Bobster2 (Reply 4): They continued to London with all the "stewardesses" injured in "an impromptu sick bay". That sounds a bit weird. Is it legal to fly across the Atlantic with all the flight crew "stood down"? Do the passengers get their own food and drinks, or were they left with nothing?
LOL! It is worded differently than I'm used to reading as well. As for the Cabin Crew I think it mentioned that only 4 of them Stood Down which means there were 7 others working on board, 7 is plenty to meet the crew requirment and given that the injuries didn't seem to be severe I'm not sure they would turn around anyway since I don't think there are even extra cabin crew in TPA to take over.
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David L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9243 posts, RR: 42 Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 22754 times:
Quoting Zeke (Reply 6): Surprised the BA pilots were not arrested and had their passports held
If only they'd contacted A.net they'd have known what to do.
Quoting Wsan581 (Reply 7): Why would you continue when you don't know the full extent of injuries.
I think it's fair to say that they probably had a better idea than we do.
Quoting WNCrew (Reply 8): As for the Cabin Crew I think it mentioned that only 4 of them Stood Down which means there were 7 others working on board, 7 is plenty to meet the crew requirment and given that the injuries didn't seem to be severe
Exactly. I'm going to need a lot more evidence than we've seen recently to convince me that BA crews are incompetent, suicidal maniacs.
CWFan From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 83 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 22719 times:
Imagine the pilot's surprise when the TCAS kicked in. It must be pretty damn scary to get a computer voice shouting "descend, descend, descend" at you (and instantaneously realizing what it means). They must have just jammed the wheel forward.
sooooo 15 min after take off and the he/she never changed his/her pants for the full flight !! thats just not nice, I feel sorrow for his/her seat mates. he he
ChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3819 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 22660 times:
Of course, like all good BA 'near-disaster' stories, the plane continued on its way to London. And all was swell...until someone called the Daily Mail and told 'em about it. I'm surprised the newspaper didn't use a picture of the Hindenburg instead.
WNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1322 posts, RR: 9 Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 22470 times:
Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 17): Wow! I didn't realize that the Club Cabin is seperatly attached to the cattle class
Ha ha! I thought the same thing, clearly this pax wants EVERYONE to know they were in CLUB....and not flimsy ole' Main Cabin. I'm SURE it felt like more than turbulence everywhere in the aircraft...regardless of class or status.....600 feet is FAR!
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WNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1322 posts, RR: 9 Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 22187 times:
We generally don't turn off the Seatbelt Sign until we've reached cruise. It's our company policy as far as I know. I have flown other carriers where the sign was turned off BEFORE reaching cruise though.
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DZ09 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 481 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 22144 times:
The whole story seems fishy to me especially coming from BA. First of all, a story like this would not escape the us news media. secondly, only 15 minutes into the flight and with injuries onboard, the plane would certainly have come back to Tampa. There may have been an incident, but my guess is that it was exaggerated in the report. Maybe just a case of BA seeking some badly needed publicity, who knows.....
LuckyEddie From Zimbabwe, joined Apr 2005, 63 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 22096 times:
Quoting Bobster2 (Reply 13): But my excuse is that they showed a picture of a regional jet so I couldn't imagine 11 flight attendants on a tiny jet. Big grin Big grin
Could you imagine said regional jet flying across the Atlantic from Tampa to London?
Reading some of the replies to this thread so far makes me wonder about the overall inteligence of the average anetter. A lot of people here need to get a life and a much better understanding of aviation.
Quoting CWFan (Reply 12): Imagine the pilot's surprise when the TCAS kicked in.
Surprise?
Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 3): Good decision by the crew to act on the TCAS
warning,
Decision?
Quoting BPS3458 (Reply 19): Article states that all passengers were still strapped in at 16500 feet. Wouldn't the "fasten seat belt" sign be off at that time ?
The signs are off when the flight crew decide to switch them off, which they OBVIOUSLY had decided not to!
Okelleynyc From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 219 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 22097 times:
Maybe I'm way off here, but wouldn't BA need to dump some fuel before attempting a landing? Could that be a factor in their decision to carry on?
Just give me my Vario, my Ozone Mojo and a gorgeous day of soaring.
DZ09 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 481 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 22076 times:
Quoting LuckyEddie (Reply 22): Reading some of the replies to this thread so far makes me wonder about the overall inteligence of the average anetter. A lot of people here need to get a life and a much better understanding of aviation.
Relax there man. It's not like we need to take an aviation exam at the end of every week. most people come here to enjoy themselves and discuss various subjects, mostly about aviation for fun. Telling people to get a life was not really called for.
25 DZ09: I would think that the welfare of the F/As and the pax is more important than trying to save some fuel. I am sure that the T7 is equipped with the fue
26 HPLASOps: I don't think status of fuel (unless it's dangerously low) is the justification for deciding whether to divert or not. First you decide whether it's
27 NIKV69: This is a very foolish statement. Every thing points to the legacy or the makers of it and the flight plan. Not to mention these pilots probably turn
28 Spacecadet: Why do you say that? There are dozens of near misses among airliners every year - they are rarely reported on by the US media. Just because one or tw
29 Ken777: I've been on a BA HKG-LHR flight that turned back a few hours into the flight because one FA was getting sick and a doctor on board recommended return
30 DZ09: Quoting George Carlin, how could it be a near miss if they did not collide. Near miss means they almost missed, which implies they collided. I think
31 BY188B: Yes decision, there was a mid air collision over swiss airspace where the pilots didnt do what TCAS instructed instead they did what the controllers
32 VikingA346: Unbelievable. Since the TCAS was activated, they would have been 5-10 seconds out from a mid-air disaster - glad they acted promptly. I wonder if the
33 Chris133: Humm didn't know that 175 passengers was considered a packed 777. My compliments to the pilots. But it could not have been as bad as was reported beca
34 Qantas787: Some Asian carriers turn the seatbelt sign off between front wheels and bogeys leaving the ground.
35 Molykote: My thoughts exactly. The media never fails to disappoint (and entertain) me.
36 TristarSteve: I wonder why the Daily Mail reports it now. The incident happened two weeks ago. While climbing at 16400 ft a TCAS TA was received and ATC told the cr
37 Baron95: Well, the fact that ATC told them to climb out of 16,000 ft to FL200, followed quickly by a "Stop the climb and level at 16,500 feet" which is NOT an
38 Zeke: Please see Gol 738 - Legacy Midair: ATC Covering Their Tracks (by Baron95 Oct 20 2006 in Civil Aviation) nothing is pointing to anything at this stag
39 Baron95: There is absolutely NO EVIDENCE of this other than the rants and speculation of the Brazilian Minister of Defence. There is SOME evidence that the Le
40 LouA340: There is another topic that talks about this incident and BA. Will probably give some more insight. http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_avi
41 OOer: After 15 mins into the flight they were only up to 16000ft? Is that average for a 777 to only be up to 16000ft after 15 mins?
42 Vref5: Not an aircraft performance issue. Most likely busy airspace and ATC is sorting out traffic with intermediate altitudes until able to send aircraft t
43 Boysteve: Well the first line does say that the BA jet was 'packed'! Err, well my understanding is that it was a near miss, not an accident. If there had been
45 David L: I'm sure LuckyEddie can speak for himself but I suspect his comments were aimed at those who think they're better qualified than the BA crew and a pa
46 Edina: The Daily Mail is a sensationalist UK tabloid paper that is never shy of slinging its mud at BA......makes the A vs B debates on here seem quite tame.
47 AerospaceFan: I wonder what the other aircraft was doing and why the situation was allowed to deteriorate to the point where the TCAS warning had to be issued. I'm
48 Timboflier215: Stricken plane?! In what way was the plane stricken?? That article sucks on so many levels. Exactly the kind of journalism you have to expect from the
49 BA777ER236: As ever on A.net, people are far to quick to judge a professional crew based on only media articles and maybe a poor knowledge of long haul operation
50 Wukka: Interesting that the other craft hasn't been identified in a quick scrape of the reports. If the BA received a TCAS warning to descend via the radio p
51 Bennett123: Baron95 If there is suspicion that the Legacy crew caused the crash, then letting them leave the country would be stupid. As the Sheriff says "Don't l
52 Trekster: One of the comments on the page from "A FORMER AA CAPTAIN" says the crew overreacted, and the TCAS would of given them plenty of warning to take contr
53 LHR777: Right. When you get a TCAS advisory, you don't generally dawdle about it and have a cup of tea and mull it over, you get on with it, pronto! Consider
54 Trekster: Exactly. I love the fact this MAJOR paper i dont read also has, as noted a BA Connect emb instead of a mainline BA 777 as its picture. That just tell
55 Gabo787: Well let's see, if I fly my plane in Europe, and turn off the transponder, then colide in mid air with another plane killing all an board, all I have
56 Alphaomega: One eyewitness said: "I was on the Tampa flight. About 15 minutes into the climb the aircraft suddenly dropped out of the sky." Oh yes...a whole 500ft
57 Riyadhnurse: Not a pilot,but with all the reported injuries and mayhem in the cabin,they should have retuned to Tampa,a 6 hour journey to LHR is way too long to as
58 David L: Even though the paramedic was present on the aircraft, the cabin crew have first-aid training and medical advice was available by radio? I see you're
59 Tjr16698: I'm sure that someone has already pointed this out, but it's very important to remember that this was in the Daily Mail, who are to journalism what Ry
60 Riyadhnurse: What I'm saying is that there's no way for First Responders to KNOW for sure how extensive injuries are.It's difficult for ER staff to diagnose unles
61 David L: Well I'm certainly not going to clog up A & E every time I bang my elbow on something or when I bang my head on the desk when rearranging my computer
62 Mpdpilot: in relation to this reply, the other aircraft didn't necessarily have TCAS. I don't recall reading anything about the other aircraft being an airline
63 Trekster: Hmmm, i dont think they like my comments as their not being posted, first one said the article was factually wrong, and the picture comment, and i hav
64 David L: I feel obliged to point out that my previous point was posted before Riyadhnurse reminded me of the potential legal ramifications in the USA. I hadn't
65 Riyadhnurse: Sent you a message via A-net, Medical malpractice claims are the way of life here, judgements are in the millions,premiums won't cover all of the $$
66 David L: I've replied. As I said there, that might be considered a good reason to get the victims out of the USA ASAP. I'm not upset, I've had a great day but
67 Charliejag1: Jeez, the daily mail is a true rag.
68 Lentini2001: The Daily Mail is a terrible newspaper.
69 Deltajet757: Compliments to the pilots for avoiding a huge accident. If that 777 collided with the other plane that would have been the 1st 777 to go down (crash).
71 Bobster2: Consider this BA incident in May, ATL to LGW. After turbulence, an onboard doctor diagnosed the injuries as minor, the pilots consulted with ground ba
72 Riyadhnurse: Yes I've read them,all of which are very informative. I'm glad that the reported injuries were not serious,and all came home in one piece. We have th
73 Tom12: Kudos to the pilots. It is true that the TCAS has authority over ATC?! ... can someone confirm that? Glad no one was sriously hurt. Tom
74 Boysteve: The Daily Mail is written for a white, far right, Christian fundamentalist audience. No doubt it goes down well With George W and his supporters!
75 Jfk777: BA is suffering from " NO TURN BACK ITIS" Get to the UK before anything else.
76 RichM: Why do people always slag off the media? The media are obviously going to over exaggerate in order to make their stories sound more dramatic, and thus
77 Charliejag1: In my opinion, you are 100% wrong. Listen to yourself. 'Near miss' is a horribly normalized colloquialism. They didn't nearly miss, they nearly hit!
78 Tom12: Well said. The majority of people probably wouldn't read the article if it wasn't exagerated. That article wasn't too bad, not from my point of veiw
79 Charliejag1: I resent that. Keep your political stereotypes to a more appropriate environment. I support my president and hate the Daily Mail. I do not know anybo
80 Tjr16698: Praise is given only when due. Most media people are mediocre at their jobs and cynical in their approachbut expect us to treat them with respect bec
81 Kmh1956: I was never under the impression that we had to be aviation experts to join a.net. Silly me, I thought it was just an interest in aviation that broug
82 Jrosa: Maybe it was because the pilots let the transponder turned on... Just to clarify: the Legacy pilots are not under arrest. They are both in a 5 star h
84 Bobster2: That Daily Mail article was based on anonymous messages from a Web forum, including the eyewitness quotes. Most of the stuff was posted on the forum 1
85 DZ09: I think the dictionary is wrong on this one!! "Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.0.1) - Cite This Source near miss 1. a strike by a missile that
86 BA777ER236: Absolutely not true, and I have tried to explain the rationalle behind some of the recent over publicised but uncommon events. BA, as with other inte
88 BA787: No response from our favourite anti-UK guy yet Kudos to the pilots woulkd hgave been tragic had it not been for their quick thinking (and TCAS) I love
89 PPVRA: Too bad that the reason their passports were taken have nothing to do with the controllers or any possible mistake by ATC.... If the accident had not
90 David L: Ditto. The article provided by Bobster2 is unfortunate and I don't know how that should have been dealt with but that kind of thing works both ways.
91 Boston92: How long of a "freefall" would 600 ft take, its only 2 football fields.
92 David L: In the grand scheme of things it's probably not much but remember that during turbulence a vertical movement of a couple of feet can seem like much m
93 Wukka: in relation to this reply, the other aircraft didn't necessarily have TCAS. I don't recall reading anything about the other aircraft being an airline
94 Baron95: If any injuries were classified as serious injuries, then it is an ACCIDENT. By FAR (oversimplifying), an accident is any incident that causes seriou
95 Baron95: WRONG! If there is suspicion that the crew commited a CRIME that caused the accident, then they should be charged and have their passports confiscate
96 A340600: I guessed from reading that that below would be a link to the dail mail . Good to see the crew react quickly, got to love the BA Tripples, especially
97 Cardiffairtaxi: The Russian TU154 and DHL 757 accident a few years ago,do show that it is generally a very good idea,to perform the requested TCAS command.
98 SPREE34: A friend at AA said one of thiers' almost hit a B52 while climbing out west of Dallas Thursday night. No TCAS/ACAS alerts, just a B52 out the window.
99 DZ09: Well, this finally made the news here in the States. The Daily news had a small article about the incident today. They mentioned that the other plane
100 LuckyEddie: Yikes, I've been away too long, where do I start? Thanks for understanding exactly what I meant. Maybe I was a little cranky when I posted that (NRT n
101 Aerobalance: Great job by the pilots, sorry to hear the FA's getting roughed up a bit, excellent picture of a BA Triple 7
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