Planenutz From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1249 posts, RR: 13 Posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4334 times:
Virgin America announced today that it will begin recruiting operational staff for a 1st qtr 2007 start. This comes a week after their first A320 was debuted at SFO on 10/11.
Station Manager positions for JFK, SAN, LAX, and SFO are first up. Other positions being advertised in the Bay Area are for "Guest Relations Agents" and pilots.
Looks like things are dlowly coming together for Virgin America.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 20630 posts, RR: 62 Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4326 times:
Actually, it's not closer to starting.
They are just loading more people at the starting line in anticipation of getting the green light.
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JetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1525 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4320 times:
I don't necessarily know if it another LCC is needed, but we live in a Free Market society....so it will be interesting to see where they end up in the 1st Q next year.
Will be nice to see them get off the ground
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EA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 11863 posts, RR: 67 Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4312 times:
Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 1): Question: Does the US need another LCC and the added capacity?
Apparently - after all, U.S. domestic carriers are finally beginning to rebound, so naturally it's time to trash yields and add capacity that isn't needed.
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Steeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 8523 posts, RR: 22 Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4280 times:
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 4): Apparently - after all, U.S. domestic carriers are finally beginning to rebound, so naturally it's time to trash yields and add capacity that isn't needed.
So much for a "rebound" then, right?
Then comes the million dollar question/complex question, why are airlines losing money; why is the airline industry heading for another nosedive?
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FutureFO From New Caledonia, joined Oct 2001, 3083 posts, RR: 27 Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4254 times:
Actually airlines are starting to make money. So the need for extra lift on all ready overserved markets such as JFK-LAX/SFO is unneeded. VA is just hiring ti get the step up on the first layoffs. I doubt seriously they will start flying.
Highflyer9790 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1225 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4254 times:
Will BOS be an early destination or will it be added on later?
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11570 posts, RR: 53 Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4123 times:
Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 1): Question: Does the US need another LCC and the added capacity?
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2): Actually, it's not closer to starting.
They are just loading more people at the starting line in anticipation of getting the green light.
Quoting FutureFO (Reply 6): Actually airlines are starting to make money. So the need for extra lift on all ready overserved markets such as JFK-LAX/SFO is unneeded. VA is just hiring ti get the step up on the first layoffs. I doubt seriously they will start flying.
Quoting Ual777 (Reply 9): They will get beaten like they owe someone money. UA, AA, CO, and DL are STRONG now.
Sorry to say this venture is a day late and dollar short, the window of opportunity is now closed.
September11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3488 posts, RR: 27 Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4083 times:
DZ09 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 480 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4038 times:
I say let them try and get burned. Despite all the claims, Virgin America will still be seen as a foreign company and with all the fierce competition in the local market, I don't think they stand a chance. I could be wrong and I welcome more flying options.
F9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4439 posts, RR: 34 Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3907 times:
Quoting DZ09 (Reply 12): I say let them try and get burned. Despite all the claims, Virgin America will still be seen as a foreign company and with all the fierce competition in the local market, I don't think they stand a chance. I could be wrong and I welcome more flying options.
Nobody gave Virgin a chance on the international scene. Nobody gave B6, F9, HP/US, DL, NW, UA, TZ, or even WN any odds of survival. Kind of funny how we can reflect a few years from now on our thoughts of today.
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6511 posts, RR: 21 Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3840 times:
Quoting Phxplanes (Reply 14): Personally I hope they dont get started, US airlines are finally starting to make some money, so for now the less competition the better.
But on the routes they are initially flying, isn't there already so much stiff competition that the rates are already low? Doesn't seem like they are gonna cause too much rift on those routes.
Djmatthews From United Kingdom, joined Dec 1999, 211 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3679 times:
Good luck to them. Once they get flying and grow, hopefully they'll offer connections from Virgin Atlantic destinations to other destinations in the USA.
For a country that invented modern day capitalism, they should be welcoming this new airline; it will be survival of the fittest. Virgin America, as a new carrier should have a low cost base which should ultimately translate into lower fares. Let the passengers decide who to fly with based on fare and product, not people on this board.
Beertrucker From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 390 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3626 times:
Well I hope they at least get off the groung. If they make it we will see. I know as of my mind. I looked at thier site today and it got a lot of info on it now. I know I will apply for a job with them if they come to MCO. That is if i don't have a job with a good Airline by then. I wish them the best of luck.
ATCT From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1899 posts, RR: 48 Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3375 times:
I look forward to an airline that I feel will shake up the industry like Southwest did so many years ago and continues to do today. If i wasnt in my career id consider working for em!
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F9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4439 posts, RR: 34 Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3310 times:
Quoting FutureFO (Reply 19): Can you say Independence Air, I knew you could. That is where I see this venture ending.
But Indy had a huge challenge trying to make money on CRJ's. With that aircraft as the heart of the airline, fuel prices sky rocketing, and a slow delivery of Airbus 319's, Independence found itself in a bad spot. I understood that the A319's were a good move to pull Indy out of it's bad position, but the timing was too late.
With fuel prices finally coming down, this may be a good time to see them come out. Branson is no dummy, and he has built a heck of a team in the US. Let's face it, they already have a codeshare partner. VS aircraft will be coming in to fill seats on Virgin America birds.
Flybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1765 posts, RR: 2 Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3118 times:
Quoting Ual777 (Thread starter):
They will get beaten like they owe someone money. UA, AA, CO, and DL are STRONG now.
Oh yes, especially by UA. San Franscisco is UA territory and no matter how great Virgin America is in terms of levels of service per dollar, if they don't fly anywhere and if they are in competition with very strong low fare carriers (whom have marked some serious territory over the past 3 years) and recovering legacies... Virgin America will probably pull an Independence Air on the industry. That is, they'll come in as the hip new airline on the block and shortly thereafter go belly up like a beached whale.
"Are you a pretender... or a thoroughbred?!" - Professor Matt Miller
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11570 posts, RR: 53 Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3100 times:
Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 22): Virgin America will probably pull an Independence Air on the industry. That is, they'll come in as the hip new airline on the block and shortly thereafter go belly up like a beached whale.
If they ever actually take off I could see this happening, though honestly I do not see them even taking to the skies.
Flybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1765 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3047 times:
Quoting F9Animal (Reply 21): With fuel prices finally coming down, this may be a good time to see them come out. Branson is no dummy, and he has built a heck of a team in the US.
Fuel prices won't stay low forever, I suppose the smart thing to do is to use some of that massive startup capital to hedge fuel for the next few years while fuel prices are lower.
Additionally, who said that a successful entrepreneur never created losers in the market. Virgin cola, among other things flopped in the U.S. The only thing that Virgin America has going for them in a recovering industry with heavy hitter competitors is the fact that its "sugar daddy" will keep giving it cash infusions until it has an opportunity to be viable.
"Are you a pretender... or a thoroughbred?!" - Professor Matt Miller
25 Wsan581: They will be introducing non stop service to VCV soon!! Bills are adding up and they don't have a source of revenue, not a good mix. i believe they h
26 SANFan: But having a Station Mgr in place in a few cities is sure a helluva good place to start! (I may be going out on a limb here but I bet that's the way
27 Scouseflyer: Isn't the point of a free market that competition drives down prices for customers - it's not a cosy club for the airlines to carve up between then..
29 Phoenixflyer: They werent going to stay high forever either. If you can remember fuel was a lot cheaper two years ago than it is now. Last year was a horrible year
30 Humberside: At JFK, doesnt T4 have to provide space for new airlines that can't get space elsewhere?
31 Lightsaber: Different situation. Indy was stuck with a boatload of CRJ's that they had to put into service from day #1. If DH had manged to find a way to hire ou
32 Wsan581: Does anyone know how much of there start up capital they have spent?
33 FlyDeltaJets87: Plenty of automanufacturer's that sell cars in the United States are foreign companies, but they're doing pretty well and that's just an example for
34 SK736: Answer: That will be determined by the market.
35 BOE773: How can you ever say that when they are from the next 51st state, the British Islands
36 DesertAir: Just my thought! What we need is more service to underserved markets. With California freeways more and more crowded, we need low cost service to cit
37 Mariner: And there's an interesting question right there in that sentence for which no one has an answer - yet. mariner
39 Dl4evr: I just find it interesting that everyone who posted in this thread from Britain has defended Virgin America. Hm....could it be because it's really ran
40 Mariner: And how did he make that money? Basically, by giving a lot of the public what they want to buy. Any straight man who would invest in the biggest, mos
41 Walter747: is there any chance of them fying into PVD
42 DL4EVR: Um...I don't see what that has to do w/Branson not being an American...
43 Mariner: It doesn't - and shouldn't - have anything to do with it. If the US authorities decide that Virgin Amerca is a properly constituted and owned US corp
44 Kanebear: Please don't tell me you buy the Peak Oil BS?? Oil prices at present are a combination of fearmongering, speculation and circumstance. Katrina and Ri
45 Scbriml: Every time the subject of Virgin America comes up we get a thread like this. Land of the free? Home of the brave? Just what are you all so scared of?
46 Luv2fly: It is though we also have rules, just like the UK has to keep the other US carriers out of LHR. Tit for tat so to say.
47 Luv2fly: Also this is no different then what SRB did when AA and BA wanted to code share flights and SRB publicly fought for that not to happen, and won. Remem
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