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I Am Seeing Air Canada CEO Next Week Help!  
User currently offline744 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 448 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7994 times:

I am so excited to have an opportunity to see Air Canada CEO Ms. Chantal Baril next week  Smile?Could anyone please give me any possible suggestions that I can ask her personally? Also, if you have any questions realted to Air Canada, I will be more than happy to ask her. Any comments/suggestions are welcome?  Cool . I will try my best to reply all of your questions.
Thank you,
744

[Edited 2006-10-21 08:00:44]

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User currently offlineAsianguy767 From Singapore, joined Oct 2003, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7911 times:

This is the CEO of AC,

http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/media/bio/brewer.html


User currently offlineCrogalski From United States of America, joined May 2005, 514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7899 times:

http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/media/bio/baril.html


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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7784 times:

Quoting 744 (Thread starter):
Could anyone please give me any possible suggestions that I can ask her personally?

Why does AC have such a bad fleet policy?


User currently onlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6414 posts, RR: 38
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7775 times:

Are they planning to fly to AKL with their 772LRs or 787s or will Air NZ be flying this route, with some sort of agreement?


It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineCruiser From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1001 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7635 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 3):
Why does AC have such a bad fleet policy?

Thorben, care to explain? I am trying to fathom what you mean by that.



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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7548 times:

Ms. Baril is President & CEO of ACGHS - Air Canada Ground Handling Services, and on a side note, is a terrific lady.

Find it a bit curious though that news of your meeting her would be posted on this forum

 Confused  Confused



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7538 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 3):
Why does AC have such a bad fleet policy?

.

Don't think that she would concede that AC has such a a bad fleet policy. 60 Embraers are arriving, 777's are replacing 340's, and all other aircraft in the fleet are being refurbished with state of the art amenities. Explain???



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7511 times:

Quoting Cruiser (Reply 5):
Thorben, care to explain? I am trying to fathom what you mean by that.

He thinks that dumping of their Airbus widebodies for Boeing widebodies and choosing the 787 over the 350 was a very poor choice....go figure.. sarcastic 



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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7470 times:

Quoting Cruiser (Reply 5):
Thorben, care to explain? I am trying to fathom what you mean by that.



Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 7):
Don't think that she would concede that AC has such a a bad fleet policy. 60 Embraers are arriving, 777's are replacing 340's, and all other aircraft in the fleet are being refurbished with state of the art amenities. Explain???



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 8):
He thinks that dumping of their Airbus widebodies for Boeing widebodies and choosing the 787 over the 350 was a very poor choice....go figure.. sarcastic

Honestly, how smart is that? A340 and 777 are planes of the same generation. With all the A320/30/40 they have, getting some more A345 and A346 would have been the much smarter option, no matter what Boeing says. Now they are changing horses in the middle of the race. Their airbus WBs are still good planes, they could use them until A350s arrive. No need to buy 777NGs, which will be completely obsolete by 2015. With all their airbus pilots and mechanics, it is hard to understand what they want with 787s. That's what I call bad fleet policy, ask her about it.


User currently offlineCruiser From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1001 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7408 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 9):
Honestly, how smart is that? A340 and 777 are planes of the same generation. With all the A320/30/40 they have, getting some more A345 and A346 would have been the much smarter option, no matter what Boeing says. Now they are changing horses in the middle of the race. Their airbus WBs are still good planes, they could use them until A350s arrive. No need to buy 777NGs, which will be completely obsolete by 2015. With all their airbus pilots and mechanics, it is hard to understand what they want with 787s. That's what I call bad fleet policy, ask her about it.

How smart is it to renew the leases on older, fuel guzzling planes? Also, why wait until 2015 when you can have 787's in 2010 and even then, the 787 is likely to be more fuel efficient than the A350. You forget that the Airbus widebodies only make up on third of the WB fleet. The rest are 767's. I cannot wait to see the 'completely obselete 777NG's' which will serve them for almost 8 years before anything comes close in terms of economics.

Thorben, you also forget that AC ordered about 11 772LR's. This will allow them to fly to destinations much further and more profitably than any Airbus is able to offer. You seem to make it sound so cut and dry - but it is a very complex puzzle and it certainly makes sense that AC did what they did and I would not be surprised to see a follow-on order for another 35 787's and another 10-15 777's. It all comes down to money, and let's face it, the Boeing solution was cheaper even after factoring in all of those factors at the time (a year or so ago!). The A350XWB is still slipping to the right, so it certainly makes even more sense now that AC went the Boeing route.

James

[Edited 2006-10-21 16:07:24]


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User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7359 times:

I am not sure if she can answer this question as she is CEO of ground handling services but i would like to know if they are planning any expansion into Dubai and Cairo .


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User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7299 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 9):


Honestly, how smart is that? A340 and 777 are planes of the same generation. With all the A320/30/40 they have, getting some more A345 and A346 would have been the much smarter option, no matter what Boeing says. Now they are changing horses in the middle of the race. Their airbus WBs are still good planes, they could use them until A350s arrive. No need to buy 777NGs, which will be completely obsolete by 2015. With all their airbus pilots and mechanics, it is hard to understand what they want with 787s. That's what I call bad fleet policy, ask her about it.

Air Canada wants to transition to an all-Boeing widebody fleet by the middle of the next decade for scheduling and maintenance commonality, crew training and other reasons. Considering it has 45 Boeing 767s some of which are getting a little long in the tooth, and considering Airbus does not have an adequate 767 replacement, the A350 probably being too large for most Air Canada missions, the game was probably over right there. If not for Airbus being consumed - some would say literally - by the A380 project, perhaps they would have a 767 replacement candidate the way they introduced the 320 to take away part of the 737 market.

AC also found the range of the A340-300 to be slightly less than required to make certain key routes work profitably, and that the 777-300ER would do a better job of those situations with a significantly lower seat-mile cost. The alternative was the A340-600HGW, and I am fairly certain AC gave this plane a hard look, and generally liked it especially on price, but Airbus couldn't make the total package work. A key part of Air Canada's rationale was to do a package deal to begin replacing some 767s, which is where the 787s come in. In anticipated that if it made a buy of both 200-seater and 300-seater aircraft, rather than purchasing them separately at different times, it could lock in better pricing and better delivery positions.

In the end, AC's decision is now to take 11 777-300ERs and six 777-200LR - there is another thread here that it explains this very recent change. The 787 and A350 do not challenge the 777-300ER like they do the 777-200LR. AC has probably decided, based on the decision to take 11 777-300ERs, that they will have more versatility in the fleet and a better resale value. I believe AC, upon reflection, found fewer situations out there to support a 300-seat ULH aircraft and will use the 787-8 to develop new long-thin markets. It also found it could likely fill a 773 more often. Having spoken to one of the airline's top honchos a while ago, I learned that the airline feels the lack of a 350-seater for several routes. The A340s carry just under 280 passengers. The original appeal of the 772 was the development of long-thin routes where people would pay a premium for a nonstop rather than travel on a one-stop or connecting service. In reality, such premiums are hard to come by. But AC has proven the past couple of summers that when serving several markets where it has multiple daily flights, it can consolidate a pair of 763s a day into a single 773, sell a bit less low-yield traffic and reap significant cost savings.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7242 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 9):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 8):
He thinks that dumping of their Airbus widebodies for Boeing widebodies and choosing the 787 over the 350 was a very poor choice....go figure..  sarcastic 

Honestly, how smart is that? A340 and 777 are planes of the same generation. With all the A320/30/40 they have, getting some more A345 and A346 would have been the much smarter option, no matter what Boeing says. Now they are changing horses in the middle of the race. Their airbus WBs are still good planes, they could use them until A350s arrive. No need to buy 777NGs, which will be completely obsolete by 2015. With all their airbus pilots and mechanics, it is hard to understand what they want with 787s. That's what I call bad fleet policy, ask her about it.

As I said, you are upset that they are going for Boeing widebodies over Airbus....its really as simple as that... Wink

Quoting Cruiser (Reply 10):

How smart is it to renew the leases on older, fuel guzzling planes? Also, why wait until 2015 when you can have 787's in 2010 and even then, the 787 is likely to be more fuel efficient than the A350. You forget that the Airbus widebodies only make up on third of the WB fleet. The rest are 767's. I cannot wait to see the 'completely obselete 777NG's' which will serve them for almost 8 years before anything comes close in terms of economics.

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"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineCruiser From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1001 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7137 times:

Quoting Sebring (Reply 12):
11 777-300ERs and six 777-200LR

Sebring, I think you have that reversed - either that or Boeing has not updated its Orders Page for the month and you know something that the rest of us don't! I know they recently changed one more 772LR to a 773ER.

James



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User currently offlineJamincan From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7123 times:

Quoting Sebring (Reply 12):
In the end, AC's decision is now to take 11 777-300ERs and six 777-200LR - there is another thread here that it explains this very recent change. The 787 and A350 do not challenge the 777-300ER like they do the 777-200LR. AC has probably decided, based on the decision to take 11 777-300ERs, that they will have more versatility in the fleet and a better resale value. I believe AC, upon reflection, found fewer situations out there to support a 300-seat ULH aircraft and will use the 787-8 to develop new long-thin markets. It also found it could likely fill a 773 more often. Having spoken to one of the airline's top honchos a while ago, I learned that the airline feels the lack of a 350-seater for several routes. The A340s carry just under 280 passengers. The original appeal of the 772 was the development of long-thin routes where people would pay a premium for a nonstop rather than travel on a one-stop or connecting service. In reality, such premiums are hard to come by. But AC has proven the past couple of summers that when serving several markets where it has multiple daily flights, it can consolidate a pair of 763s a day into a single 773, sell a bit less low-yield traffic and reap significant cost savings.

That's an interesting development. As I recall, there was some debate about the capacity of the 773 having too much capacity for AC except for a few routes. Do you have any idea what routes they are feeling the capacity pinch on?


User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7100 times:

I have one, not sure if it applies but it is about luggage so I'll post it anyway.

It's about using the CRJ to YXY. The route is YVR-YXY, and the flight is just over 2 hours in length. Currently Air Canada serves the route via Jazz, using CRJs twice a day. Now heres the problem: CRJs have a small baggage capacity, which is fine for shorter routes and for routes with lots of business traffic. But... for years and years Yukoners have been known to have more than the average ammount of baggage. This is because, like anywhere in the north, Alot of our shopping is done down south and also we like to bring gifts for family down south, and need big bags to fit these things. Also we get alot of people coming up here for camping and hunting, which requires a fair ammount of gear.

From what I've been told, Air Canada Jazz has been leaving bags behind every other day, and has been ever since they started using CRJs up here. This of course after they stopped using A319s and before that 737-200s, neither of which ever had any issues with luggage on the route. People here whine about it every day, and have been told several times over the last year or two that this is due to increased security and whatnot, and not told how its actually because the cargo hold of their airplane is too damn small to fit everyones luggage.

Just one more reason to forget about Air Canada and its regional partner Jazz, and "fly Air North" instead.



Thanks
CanadianNorth



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User currently offlineEbbUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6945 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 3):
Why does AC have such a bad fleet policy?

I think he has a valid point. AC is beholden to one manufacturer, they're now sitting ducks for B to make very uncompetitive deals with them.

The most successful airllines use a mixed fleet on their medium and/or longhaul routes. It seems AC don't want to be part of the gang.

I think it is a reasonable question to ask 744.

[Edited 2006-10-21 21:55:14]

User currently offlineCruiser From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1001 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6919 times:

Quoting EbbUK (Reply 17):
I think he has a valid point. AC is beholden to one manufacturer, they're now sitting ducks for B to make very uncompetitive deals with them.

The most successful medium to longhaul world airlines operate a mixed fleet. It seems AC don't want to be part of the gang.

I think it is a reasonable question to ask 744.

I see, I must have missed the class where a 100 strong fleet of Airbus Narrowbodies and a potential 60 strong fleet of Boeing Widebodies means that AC is now strictly a Boeing Airline.

I would actually go out on a limb and say that AC will have one of the most competitive and ideally suited fleets (in the world) for the type of airline they are.

James



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User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6890 times:

Quoting EbbUK (Reply 17):
I think he has a valid point. AC is beholden to one manufacturer, they're now sitting ducks for B to make very uncompetitive deals with them.

Airbus was actually more beholding to Airbus before it signed the Boeing deal, yet I am sure Airbus negotiated really, really hard to keep its business. In fact I am sure of that. But it didn't have the right products. At some point in the future, however, it will have the right products, and if AC is looking for new narrowbodies, I am sure it will give Airbus a great shot at keeping the narrowbody fleet. If there is one thing for certain, it's that Airbus negotiates hard at the best of times, and these are not the best of times for Airbus.


User currently offlineEbbUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6890 times:

Quoting Cruiser (Reply 18):
I see, I must have missed the class where a 100 strong fleet of Airbus Narrowbodies and a potential 60 strong fleet of Boeing Widebodies means that AC is now strictly a Boeing Airline.

corrected my original post. My apologies for not being clear the first time around.


User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6865 times:

Quoting EbbUK (Reply 17):

The most successful airllines use a mixed fleet on their medium and/or longhaul routes. It seems AC don't want to be part of the gang.

If airlines are beholding to Boeing, it's because Airbus has no true competitor for the 787. The A350 might appeal to the market for 250 seats and up, but Air Canada and a number of other airlines wanted a true 767-300 replacement. Blame Airbus for any market imbalance.


User currently offlineEbbUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6623 times:

Quoting Sebring (Reply 21):
but Air Canada and a number of other airlines wanted a true 767-300 replacement. Blame Airbus for any market imbalance.

I would love it if AC blamed Airbus for its failure to be a successful airline.


User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6199 times:

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 6):
Find it a bit curious though that news of your meeting her would be posted on this forum

I agree. An odd decision, IMHO. You're going to get loads of questions that Ms Baril may not be able to answer. She's the CEO of Air Canada Ground Handling Services, not the CEO of Air Canada. Is she going to be able to answer questions about fleet policy and route structure, in her present capacity? Maybe she will, maybe she wont. Who knows?


User currently offlineCNZ3 From Canada, joined Mar 2006, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6172 times:

Quoting EbbUK (Reply 22):

WTF? How do you come up with AC not being a successful airline? They've been posting quarterly profits consistently for a couple years now. I'm pretty sure that counts as successful in the North American marketplace. Sure its not like they're EK or anything but they serve their markets effectively.

Also, refresh my memory but doesn't BA have an all-Boeing widebody fleet? I take it BA is an unsuccessful carrier as well.

Back on topic, 744, you can ask Ms. Baril about what ACGHS did with all the eels they dropped on the apron here at YYZ last week. biggrin 

Steve



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25 Motopolitico : If I were the CEO of AC, I'd be very slow to do a major widebody deal with Airbus after the kickback scandal. Mulroney may have escaped the blame, but
26 BeechNut : As a Canadian I think this is nonsense. Regardless of what happened at the political level, the A320 was hands-down the best aircraft for AC at the t
27 Kmh1956 : Boxers or briefs?? (Sorry....just saw the pic of the actual CEO and couldn't help myself!)[Edited 2006-10-22 00:53:21]
28 EbbUK : For a long time, BA has dropped out of the premier league of successful airlines. BA has struggled getting its fleet to suit its route network, it's
29 Jamincan : If you could actually provide a logical explanation for why a mixed fleet of widebody aircraft is particularly important for the success of an airlin
30 EbbUK : I want to stay on topic but will quickly address this. ALL the large successful airlines have mixed fleets and not the "a few" as you see it. The log
31 Post contains images Jacobin777 : BA IS a large successful airline..... Besides the A345 for a couple of its routes (LAX/EWR), SQ has basically an all-Boeing widebody fleet (of course
32 Nw727251adv : You make absolutely no type of logical sense whatsoever. Most major carriers who have mixed fleets--which tend to be European and Asian carriers--hav
33 777ER : A340s are the worst built airplanes in terms of gas usuage. Its no wonder the B777 is outselling the A340 by 1 to 3. Airbus are now having to offer f
34 EbbUK : Be careful before you say I spout claptrap. You may disagree but it isn't claptrap. so why they've ordered the 773ER and 772LR in such large numbers?
35 Boeingfever777 : Doesn't he always think that about Boeing orders? When exactly would that be 2015-2016? O' wait... It's not even launched yet.
36 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Basically, and Boeing basically wins orders because of "political considerations"....go figure.. Sure, but there are better planes coming in-line...c
37 TIMEAIR : They fly 1 CRJ and 1 CR7 daily. Expect to see more CR7/E90 aircraft next spring and once all of the E-jets have been delivered, mainly E90 aircraft f
38 Post contains images CF188A : The worlds most state of the art fleet... your an airbus loyalist and refuse to look beyond the fact that airlines are trying to save money. To my kn
39 KLM672 : I just scrolled down so I am sorry if this has been discussed, if so please let me know.. Flying AC in May and June on the 767, will they have ptvs?
40 Post contains images Dc10forever : Please, congratulate her for buying our Brazilian aircraft instead of the Canadian ones. We appreciate that !
41 Virgin747 : Highly agreed... Back to topic.... we also have to look at how underpowered those A343s are.... Putting 4 A320/737ng engines on a widebody isn't any
42 Aircanada014 : You are absolutely right CF188A. I couldn't agree more. Maintenance cost, fuel costs, training costs saves alot if they keep to minimal type of fleet
43 Aviasian : How about asking her of Air Canada's plans for Asia . . . this is a region that has been booming for some time already and Canadian carriers have thus
44 Post contains images Thorben : Their only gas guzzlers are the 767s, which are too small anyway, which you can see in AC's past financial troubles. With the A350 using four years n
45 CanadianNorth : Ok, I was wrong, it is 1x CRJ and 1x CRA. Sorry about that. But from what I understand the CRJ705 isn't really any better than the 200 for luggage, s
46 Sebring : To Thorben: 1. The 787-8 is smaller than the A350 and it is closely matched to AC's 767-300s. 2. Those three A346s have been cancelled 3. The A343s an
47 Sebring : Air Canada acquired A319s, A321s, A330-300s, A340-300s and A340-500s, all after the A320 purchase scandal, which, by the way, never implicated anyone
48 Post contains links PlaneHunter : I'm sure AC managers have evaluated all options and I guess they were convinced by the option to replace their A330s, A340s and B767s by B787s and B7
49 Boeingfever777 : Only in your mind and Airbus order/delivery sheet it shows they are still on order. Link?
50 Post contains images Jacobin777 : I guess I really don't have anything else to say..... Cheers...
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