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Turkish Airlines Will Join The Star Alliance......  
User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1507 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6510 times:

Hello all

I just read the Aviation Week and Space Technology and it mentions Turkish Airlines will join the Star Alliance before the end of next year. I can't remember if this was discussed before or not?. Sometime next year it looks like they will decide who will join the Star Alliance from India which will join in sometime in 2008. We all know Air China and Shanghai Airlines will join next year. Your comments are appreciate please.

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User currently offlineFlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7379 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6511 times:

Already discussed :

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/2918764/


User currently offlinePdanicic From Serbia, joined Oct 2005, 132 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6500 times:

This could definitely be quite good for TK. Since the demise of Qualiflyer group, with Swissair on the leading position, TK haven't took part in any alliance. Possibly, TK could codeshare with LH on flights within Germany, since there is a lot of Turkish nationals living in that EU country, feeding them into major German airports and to Turkey afterwards.

Cheers!



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User currently offlineGFA330 From Turkey, joined Oct 2006, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6423 times:

The alliance would defenitely do well for TK. However the latest expansion drift of TK has raised some questions here in IST whether their strategy is the right thing to do. They are still very much under influence of Ankara / politics hence all the expansion to the Gulf, which to date none of these flights make ANY money.

User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1436 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6382 times:

Maybe finally TK will be granted the rights to fly IST-YYZ  Smile


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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6382 times:

I would welcome TK in Star- defenitely a great airline to have in any alliance.
TK has raised it's service-standards constantly (..but has still some way to go on long-haul..) and the fleet is very young and well maintained.
Specially for Germany it would inevitably raise the question of Code-share with LH ,since Germany is the biggest market for TK outside Turkey.
While Istanbul could be used as hub for Turkey (domestic )and Asia ,Ankara could get some transfer opportunities for ME destinations.
Politics should never interfere in aviation-but that's a quite blue-eyed thought...



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8488 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6008 times:
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interesting little detail tucked away in this article

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3843863a13,00.html


Wellington and Auckland airports are expected to be criticised for monopolistic behaviour at two high-powered international aviation industry events in Europe.......The airports will be held up as examples of abusing monopoly positions to increase landing fees for airlines at top level conferences in Turkey and Switzerland in December, industry sources say. ...... The world's largest airline grouping, Star Alliance, is expected to use its regular gathering of chief executives from member airlines in Istanbul, Turkey, to wade into the global airport charging debate.

it would seem not beyond the realms of credibility that if Star are holding their next meeting in IST then an announcement may be made about TK joining Star



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User currently offlineRicardoFG From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 677 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5824 times:

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 4):
Maybe finally TK will be granted the rights to fly IST-YYZ

Why have they not been granted?? I know TK has a ticket office downtown Toronto, and the demand must surely be there as IST is a very big destination with MP, KL, AZ, LH, BA, etc at YYZ...we need more airlines in this overpriced, AC dominated airport!!


User currently offlineFlyinTLow From Germany, joined Oct 2004, 517 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5804 times:

Quoting Pdanicic (Reply 2):
This could definitely be quite good for TK. Since the demise of Qualiflyer group, with Swissair on the leading position, TK haven't took part in any alliance. Possibly, TK could codeshare with LH on flights within Germany, since there is a lot of Turkish nationals living in that EU country, feeding them into major German airports and to Turkey afterwards.

TK flies to allmost every airport there is in Germany, and not only to Istanbul. Also there are hundreds of charter airlines that fly almost every combination of city pairs between Germany and Turkey. So even though this will give them even better access to the German market, they are already very well positioned and i don't think they are depending on LH's feed.

I think they are more looking at the longhaul doors this move will open to them. Codesharing with LH, UA, etc. on their intercontinental flights will boost their passenger numbers of international passengers into Turkey.

Cheers,
Thilo



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24312 posts, RR: 47
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5792 times:

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 5):
Specially for Germany it would inevitably raise the question of Code-share with LH ,since Germany is the biggest market for TK outside Turkey

Initial plans are likely that for LH to focus on its core FRA&MUC markets, while THY will continue to serve and build its market in other German cities such as HAM, STR, CGN, TXL, NUE, HAJ etc..

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 4):
Maybe finally TK will be granted the rights to fly IST-YYZ



Quoting RicardoFG (Reply 7):
Why have they not been granted?? I know TK has a ticket office downtown Toronto, and the demand must surely be

Turkey and Canada have some ancient air service agreement which only designates Montreal as a service point. THY has for several years now been attempting to get either extra bilateral service authorization to mount Toronto services, or to have the bilateral rewritten.
Unfortunately to date Air Canada has not shown any interest in this which has not encouraged the Canadian government to agree to the Turkish request.

With TK entering Star, I'm sure AC would be more receptive to direct services. Its always been felt AC enjoyed the previous status quo at it preffered to channeled its Turkey destined pax on LH codeshares via FRA/MUC, instead of bleeding traffic off to THY on a direct YYZ service.



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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5752 times:

With the inauguration of the new Ankara terminal,we maybe can hope to see more direct flights to the Turkish Capital?
They have indicated to handle domestic and international flights in the same terminal,which would simplify connecting services from Europe to other turkish cities,ME and Asia.
By the way,the new Ankara terminal looks great ..



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User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5752 times:

At the moment TK is in the American / BA alliance. Aer Lingus already left. With TK gone it's becoming a pretty limited alliance.

User currently offlineGFA330 From Turkey, joined Oct 2006, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5735 times:

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 5):
TK has raised it's service-standards constantly (..but has still some way to go on long-haul..) and the fleet is very young and well maintained.

just flew their new A330 in J class and 737-8 in J class, superb seats, though the inflight service misses quite a bit. Not bad service but very basic ....

All the luck to them am sure they will get there ....


User currently offlineEmrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 930 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5722 times:

TurkishWings:

Regarding IST-YYZ flights, a few months ago the MR. Karlitekin (CEO of TK) has that even they sell all the tickets, they will not have any profit. So that this route is not on their plans.

I don't know if it can be true. But it is what they've told.

Regards


User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1436 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5676 times:

Quoting Semsem (Reply 11):
At the moment TK is in the American / BA alliance. Aer Lingus already left. With TK gone it's becoming a pretty limited alliance.

TK is not in an alliance with AA/BA. TK only codeshares with AA on certain routes from ORD and JFK. No relationships with BA whatsoever.



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24312 posts, RR: 47
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5563 times:

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 13):
Regarding IST-YYZ flights, a few months ago the MR. Karlitekin (CEO of TK) has that even they sell all the tickets, they will not have any profit.

At the moment with the high cost of fuel, most of the long haul network is at a loss. The bread and butter for THY is its dense short/medium haul network, which provides better yields than long haul.
In addition the extremely high user fees at YYZ dont help the routes prospects either.



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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5557 times:

on a German forum one Turkish member mentions the possibility of Long-haul out of Ankara - any confirmation for this???


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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4599 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5552 times:

Star Alliance will take anyone won't they? They really are the town bike of airline alliances...


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User currently offlineVivekman2006 From India, joined May 2006, 527 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5537 times:

The most probable candidate looks like Air India. It looks like Star Alliance is waiting for the merger between AI and IC to come through next year.

AI already has a partnership with LH and code-share with quite a few Star Alliance carriers (TG, SQ, etc)

Quoting AirCanada014 (Thread starter):
Sometime next year it looks like they will decide who will join the Star Alliance from India which will join in sometime in 2008.


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5533 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 17):
Star Alliance will take anyone won't they? They really are the town bike of airline alliances...

That would be considered as slightly insulting for TK,which don't deserve to be treated like a third-ranking airline from Central-Africa...
TK have consistently improved their service offering and their flleet is among the youngest in the Industry.
While there is room for improvement,I see TK in a much better position as many american carriers in terms of fleet-age,financial capabilities and growth potential.They never went into Chapter 11 and had never to be bailed out !!!!

[Edited 2006-10-30 14:31:52]


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User currently offlineGFA330 From Turkey, joined Oct 2006, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5511 times:

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 16):
on a German forum one Turkish member mentions the possibility of Long-haul out of Ankara - any confirmation for this???

The airport is ready for it but Ankara is not.
It is a very small place, with only Govermental / institutional traffic.
They will have to draw traffic from the Izmir / Denizli area or more south.
This will however come off the IST traffic.

Note that BSP for cities other then IST are a mere 20% of the total.
This goes for pretty much any carrier, TK might be higher but not much.


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4599 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5511 times:

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 19):
That would be considered as slightly insulting for TK,which don't deserve to be treated like a third-ranking airline from Central-Africa...

That wasn't meant to slag TK at all (been to Turkey, loved it), it was meant at Star Alliance.



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8488 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5173 times:
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more fuel for the fire

http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=6958

Turkish Airlines President and CEO Temel Kotil told ATWOnline yesterday in Istanbul that the carrier is moving forward with preparations to join the Star Alliance and expects to achieve full membership by the fourth quarter of 2008 at the latest.

Tokil said Star will benefit from access to a Turkish market with 70 million people and Istanbul's proximity to Central Asia, the Middle East, the Far East and Africa. "We want to make Istanbul a strong hub for Star," he said. "From here we reach 85 capitals in three hours flying time."




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User currently offlineTWISTEDWHISPER From Sweden, joined Aug 2003, 711 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5154 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 17):
Star Alliance will take anyone won't they? They really are the town bike of airline alliances...

Ah, yes.
Just look at some of the members:
Lufthansa
Air Canada
Singapore
South African
Scandinavian
United
Thai

Yeah, that's a town bike alright. Or maybe not? In my humble opinion, these are some of the best airlines in the world. If they feel that TK can deliver the quality Star Alliance customers expect, then by all means...
My personal experience from TK says otherwise.



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User currently offlineThereAndBack From Turkey, joined Aug 2005, 699 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4927 times:

Quoting TWISTEDWHISPER (Reply 23):
My personal experience from TK says otherwise.

When was your last expireince with TK?


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