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How Are LHs A340-600s?  
User currently offlineWindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2334 posts, RR: 11
Posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12880 times:

I am scheduled to fly on a Lufthansa A340-600 on December 23rd from Frankfurt to Tel Aviv.

My father told me that he flew on one from Asia to Munich, and that there were no In seat entertainment systems and that the lavatories were all downstairs.

What are your views on it?

BTW I will fly on a B744 on the way back.

Boaz.


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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12870 times:

Quoting Windshear (Thread starter):
My father told me that he flew on one from Asia to Munich, and that there were no In seat entertainment systems and that the lavatories were all downstairs.

Yes the lavatories are located downstairs which is quite cool  Smile There is no PTV on any of LH's aircraft in Y. There is still entertainment on overhead screens in the cabin. This will change when the A380 enters service.

The A340-600's are very nice aircraft  Smile

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The LH long haul aircraft are in good condition, they just do not feature PTV's.

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4722 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12637 times:

To be more precise, the lavs for Economy are downstairs. And, I think the lavs for business class have windows !


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User currently offlineCapital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 43
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12633 times:

Quoting A342 (Reply 2):
And, I think the lavs for business class have windows !

On the A340-600's, yes they do!  Smile



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User currently offlineHb88 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 817 posts, RR: 31
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12604 times:

Quoting Capital146 (Reply 3):
Quoting A342 (Reply 2):
And, I think the lavs for business class have windows !

On the A340-600's, yes they do! Smile

As do the economy lavs on Qatar 330s. Nice.


User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1259 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12546 times:

And the Biz lavs on SAS A330s. Nice view.


Sic 'em bears
User currently offlineDj1986 From Luxembourg, joined Apr 2006, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12469 times:

Quoting Capital146 (Reply 3):
On the A340-600's, yes they do!

LH also has windows in the First Class lavs on board the 744.



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User currently offlineOakjam From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12453 times:

How is the seat pitch on the LH 340's i'm flying SFO-MUC-FCO. Will it be comfortable? I am a bit disappointed that there are no PTV's. How's the service, i'm flying economy. Do you get travel pack like British or AF?

User currently offlineA380Heavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 268 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12296 times:

Quoting A342 (Reply 2):
I think the lavs for business class have windows !

Hence why they get you to sit down when landing - to avoid any inadvertant mooning at the windows!!! Big grin



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User currently offlineSpoke2Spoke From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12258 times:

LH does have PTV's on their A332's in Y. Anyone know why these aircraft have them?


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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12229 times:

Quoting Oakjam (Reply 7):
How is the seat pitch on the LH 340's i'm flying SFO-MUC-FCO. Will it be comfortable?

Can't say anything about the A340-600s but the seat pitch on their 747-400s and A330-300s is horrible (at least for me, I am 1.90m tall). No surprise actually, which airline is offering a decent seat pitch in Eco nowadays?

Quoting Oakjam (Reply 7):
I am a bit disappointed that there are no PTV's.

It is not dissapointing, it is a huge joke! We are living in the year 2006 and an airline like LH isn't offering PTVs in Eco... makes me always  rotfl .

Quoting Oakjam (Reply 7):
Do you get travel pack like British or AF?

No you won't, LH's Eco service is piss poor, you can't compare it to airlines like BA, AF or LX... at least there is free booze.  Wink

Patrick


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 12180 times:

Quoting Oakjam (Reply 7):
How is the seat pitch on the LH 340's

Crap, as usual, but the lower cushion on their seats slides forward, which actually increases comfort.

Quoting Oakjam (Reply 7):
How's the service, i'm flying economy. Do you get travel pack like British or AF?

No travel pack, but LH has some of the better Y class food around and the F/As do come around a lot and have no problem with you heading to the galley if you need something

Quoting Spoke2Spoke (Reply 9):
LH does have PTV's on their A332's in Y. Anyone know why these aircraft have them?

The ex-Sabena A332s had PTVs, but are no longer with LH to my knowledge



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User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4106 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 12160 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 10):
t is not dissapointing, it is a huge joke! We are living in the year 2006 and an airline like LH isn't offering PTVs in Eco... makes me always

What makes me laugh even more is that they have the space for them but stick a band across it as though they're giving you extra storage space when in reality, there is little you can put in there without it falling out.

I've had downstairs toilets on an AIH A330, was very nice!

Sam Smile



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 12159 times:

Quoting A340600 (Reply 12):
What makes me laugh even more is that they have the space for them but stick a band across it as though they're giving you extra storage space when in reality, there is little you can put in there without it falling out.

I believe the LH A346s actually came with PTVs installed but were later taken out.



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 12128 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
The ex-Sabena A332s

Hey, I am still here.  Wink

Quoting A340600 (Reply 12):
What makes me laugh even more is that they have the space for them but stick a band across it as though they're giving you extra storage space when in reality, there is little you can put in there without it falling out.

For me it looks like a big "Here could be PTVs but here aren't any and you jerk paid as much as for a flight with an airline which has PTVs" sign. This is one reason why this airline won't get any Cent of my own's, my friend's, and my family's money anymore. LH is good to have a Star Alliance mileage account with, but nothing more!

Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
I believe the LH A346s actually came with PTVs installed but were later taken out.

No, these planes never had any PTVs in Y installed.

Patrick


User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 35
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12043 times:

Quoting Spoke2Spoke (Reply 9):
LH does have PTV's on their A332's in Y. Anyone know why these aircraft have them?



Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
The ex-Sabena A332s had PTVs, but are no longer with LH to my knowledge

Yes they are ex Sabena and now went to Swiss.


User currently offlineLuvAir From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11899 times:

Is the A340-600's cabin especially quiet, like they say in advertisements or somewhere?

User currently offlineWalter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11871 times:

where do they operate the 346's anyways


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User currently offlineLowsonboy From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11871 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 14):
For me it looks like a big "Here could be PTVs but here aren't any and you jerk paid as much as for a flight with an airline which has PTVs" sign. This is one reason why this airline won't get any Cent of my own's, my friend's, and my family's money anymore.

Oh man, get over it. Some people think PTVs are everything. It wasn't many years ago that they were the preserve of the high rollers in first and business. Now people walk onto a plane expecting some kind of amazing personal entertainment experience on their flight. I agree, it's very nice, when it's offered, but some people just assume when you buy your ticket to destination X that it will be available, and then complain when it's not. If there's no PTV and the main screen IFE's cr@p then just read a book, magazine or newspaper. Then sink a couple of drinks after the meal service and get some shut eye  bigthumbsup 
I suppose this may in part be based on my nicest flying experiences have both been on airlines without PTVs in economy:
NZ from LHR to AKL, due to the excellent legroom NZ offer in economy. Plus after the first 10 hrs of the flight, it's pretty hard to stay awake the following 10!
RG from LHR to GIG and back. RG's M11s certainly lack creature comforts and the legroom is not that great, but as both flights depart late in the evening and the meal service is prompt it's easy to sleep. Just goes to show you don't need all mod cons to have a good flight.


PS just to show there's no hard feelings, love the username. I miss SN!


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11789 times:

Quoting LuvAir (Reply 16):
Is the A340-600's cabin especially quiet, like they say in advertisements or somewhere?

I never flew on the LH A346 but on a SA one, it was mega-quiet, even better than on the A343/342! The A34X series is the quietest of all, so much is for sure.

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 17):
where do they operate the 346's anyways

www.lufthansa.com -> Timetable

Quoting Lowsonboy (Reply 18):
Oh man, get over it.

I am long over it, LH is not an option for me anymore, not only because of the missing PTVs, it is a piss poor airline in general!

Quoting Lowsonboy (Reply 18):
I miss SN!

Me, too!

P.

Edit: Typo (I am sure there are a few more  Wink )

[Edited 2006-10-23 02:00:34]

User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1259 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11664 times:

I flew LH from DFW-FRA on one of the A343s in Biz, and found the service there to be quite dissappointing. The flight attendants seemed very... well... German. The food was mediocre, and the seats were mediocre. They seemed on par with the business I have experienced on carriers like AA, DL, etc. Now this was only a 2 class aircraft and it was an A343, but I assume service will be similar.


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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11438 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 19):

I never flew on the LH A346 but on a SA one, it was mega-quiet, even better than on the A343/342! The A34X series is the quietest of all, so much is for sure.

I prefer to call my "quitest of them all" "noise reduction headphones"...... Wink



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User currently offlineAutoThrust From Switzerland, joined Jun 2006, 1610 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11266 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 19):
I never flew on the LH A346 but on a SA one, it was mega-quiet, even better than on the A343/342! The A34X series is the quietest of all, so much is for sure.

Indeed i would dare to say its the quietest widebody in the world. I also cant understand LH,IB, and the rest dont have PTV IMO this is a wrong move and this will be a very important sales point in the future. I always enjoyed PTV on LX.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 21):
I prefer to call my "quitest of them all" "noise reduction headphones"...... 

Doesnt help a lot at noisier planes like A320,777 etc.. at least for me not.



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User currently offlineAwthompson From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11224 times:

I would like to be a bit more positive than some of the replies above.

I have very high respect for Lufthansa. They are one of the few european international airlines who operate a fleet of impeccably clean aircraft and it gives me great pleasure each time I see them. Even though the livery is simple, they always look very smart. Just do a quick search on this site and compare with KLM, Air France, Iberia (and even British Airways sometimes!) Even the older A300-600Rs are in beautiful condition. I really do hope they keep it up.

I flew last year from Frankfurt to Guangzhou and onward to Manila on Lufthansa A340-642 D-AIHD and thoroughly enjoyed the flight. The seating in Y class like most Airbus A330s + A340s is 2-4-2 which is nice.

I mostly use PTV's to keep an eye on the flight progress / routing and on the LH A340-600 this was shown between all films and presentations on the overhead screens which was enough for me to follow the general route. I got enough information to enable me to look out at the right time to spot Mount Everest and Makalu.

Most passengers dissembarked at Guangzhou and I had the plane almost to myself for the 2 hour flight onward to Manila. Needless to say I had a good look around the plane and of course tried out business class. Yes those toilets have windows!

The toilets in economy are indeed downstairs and the most spacious you are likely to see in Y class.


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Here in fact is a window view from D-AIHD coming back from Tel Aviv: (wing shining of course!)


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I hope you enjoy your flight immensely. Note which registration you get.
(D-AIHC is the only one in Star Alliance colours)


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7966 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10934 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 19):
I am long over it, LH is not an option for me anymore, not only because of the missing PTVs, it is a piss poor airline in general!

Ach Quatsch. I had to fly AZ last week again after our LH A320 had a birdstrike after take-off. Now, if there's a "piss poor" European Airline ...

BA is great but only average if there's no competing airline on the leg you fly.

And I basically regularly fly Swiss to Basel and was never really pleased.

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 19):
Quoting Lowsonboy (Reply 18):
I miss SN!

Me, too!

I don't. Granted, I used SN on only four flights but none of them was good or at least average. Bad food, cramped cabin, leaking air-conditioning and unfriendly staff. And I'm already blaming BRU for our lost luggage, not SN.



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25 Hamster : I flew a 340 not sure which one from Bangkok to Hong Kong and back on Gulf Air in May. Wasnt too impressed. I know the bathroom was on the same floors
26 Post contains links NoUFO : According to http://www.seatguru.com, one Y-lav is on the same floor as the cabin, which sounds reasonable against the background that some people ha
27 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Maybe you are using cheap low quality headphones.. the ones I use drown it out..especially when listening to tunes or watching movies...
28 Dairy : They have 12 A 346 at this very moment, Number 13 is to come in some days. The latest 2 A346 have F-Class (D-AIHM/HN), the former 10 (D-AIHA - D-AIHL
29 Post contains images Windshear : This is what I feared, and it is also backed by the photos posted here I it is cheap of Lufthansa, no offense, but really, even Thai's got them on th
30 Dgehfx : I appreciate that moving the toilets to the lower deck allows for more seats on the main deck - and hence more income - but it means that physically d
31 Irobertson : I've not yet been on a plane with PTVs and frankly I don't think I'm really missing out. I've been on a Skyservice A330 with the normal IFE screens a
32 Post contains images Gr8Circle : LH's 346's are excellent....the seat pitch was very comfortable and the plane itself is a beauty.....on the other hand, their 744 Y class is a disgra
33 Post contains images Revelation : Yes, but there is free German beer! Gotta take the bad with the good!
34 1stfl94 : That's a nice idea the problem I've found on the last few nighttime long haul flights I've done is that I'm too tired to be able to concentrate on re
35 Post contains images AirbusA6 : Same here, I won't spend the whole flight watching the PTV, but it's nice to have the option. If VS was a German airline, I bet LH would have had PTV
36 Sabena332 : I read horror stories about AZ here frequently but personally I've never, ever had a problem with them. Ok, the two long-haul flights to/from DXB wer
37 Archer : Good Morning! My wife and I came back from Frankfurt on LH A340-300 on 10/12. It seemed amazing to me they had only the one "TV" screen for a whole se
38 Milan320 : I just flew YVR-FRA last week, and indeed the lavs are downstairs. Spacious lavs too. And the FAs left some tomato and apple juice "downstairs" so th
39 NoUFO : That's very unusual. I found my flights overbooked and volunteered to fly on the next plane twice and the staff was always helpful, friendly and gene
40 Post contains images Windshear : Yes I was thinking about that aswell. But me personally like the idea. Although I liked the toilet area in the 777, where you could look out the smal
41 BlrBird : FRA-BLR is showing A346 for summer 07 schedules is this correct or is not updated yet? Currently they B747 on this route.
42 Gr8Circle : Yes, that's my ultimate nightmare....when I last flew LH 744, the row in front of me had no window...it was the row just after the door #4....
43 Post contains images Windshear : Yes well I intend to focus on this not happening again Anyways looking forward to flying through Frankfurt, just love the traffic there, and also rid
44 LTU932 : Or rather, they came with the provisions for the PTV screen installation inside the aircraft, but evidently, they were never installed.
45 Post contains images Fraport : Having read thousands (at least it felt like thousands) of your LH bashing posts, his answer was exactly what you deserve
46 A342 : Is this confirmed ? If yes, which of those will be 3-class aircraft ?
47 Royisher : Well I can't say anything bad about LH's A340-600. Flew on them many times out of TLV to FRA, although most of the times I was sitting in Biz, I flew
48 LuvAir : In my opinion I'd always favor quietness and cleanliness over PTV (which of course is nice to have).
49 Sabena332 : Was this answer also what the paying (Business Class) customer next to me deserved? If you don't believe the story, then simply ask fellow A.netter "
50 Aerokiwi : Except that now NZ do have PTVs in all their 744s and 772s, though the 772s have a smaller 32" pitch compared to the 34" on offer in the 744s. Malaya
51 Ikramerica : I love how LH isn't true euro white, with the silver belly. Makes a much nicer livery. And those lavs look great. Unfortunately, they eat up cargo ro
52 Sabena332 : I only made good experience with them. Ok - they were not like LX, BA, or AF - but their F/As made me feel more than welcome onboard, they had an unb
53 Post contains images Jacobin777 : My experience with the "old" LX was my brother and I were flying ZRH-DXB-KHI on an MD-11 back in 1997 and all pax were allowed to disembark the plane
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