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User currently offlineErikgnoha From Venezuela, joined Jun 2006, 214 posts, RR: 4
Posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2639 times:

Hello everybody, it's strange that this thread didn't start sooner, but here I go. S3 will begin a weekly flight to Funchal from December 16th using a 767-300 ER that they plan to acquire. Besides, from December 1th the CCS-MAD route goes daily.

The 757 that everybody saw (in S3 paint scheme) in a similar thread is already been deployed in the CCS-UIO-GYE route and it is configured with 24 business seats and 154 seats in economy. They plan is to receive another one within weeks and another one in the beginning of 2007; and want to start flights to PTY and EZE. Also they will get 3 737-300 to improve Caribbeans operations and 1 more ATR-42 to the domestic flights. For more information log on http://www.sbairlines.com/

Good news indeed, I hope they become true.

[Edited 2006-10-23 01:08:43]


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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2632 times:

Hi Erik!

Quoting Erikgnoha (Thread starter):
Hello everybody, it's strange that this thread didn't start sooner, but here I go. S3 will begin a weekly flight to Funchal from December 16th using a 767-300 ER that they plan to acquire. Besides, from December 1th the CCS-MAD route goes daily.

at least 1 realcion of the plans that they posted months ago / last year

Quoting Erikgnoha (Thread starter):
They plan is to receive another one within weeks and another one in the beginning of 2007; and want to start flights to PTY and EZE.

there is a lot of market down to EZE this could be very profitable operation

cheers



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User currently offlineErikgnoha From Venezuela, joined Jun 2006, 214 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2616 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 1):
there is a lot of market down to EZE this could be very profitable operation

Indeed. Many people travel to EZE with Taca and LAN because AR's offer is not enough (and incredible expensive). I wonder if there is enough traffic to Funchal since Tap already offer a weekly flight.



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2602 times:

Quoting Erikgnoha (Reply 2):
Indeed. Many people travel to EZE with Taca and LAN because AR's offer is not enough (and incredible expensive

very true! just came back yesterday from EZE with LAN (including a trip report in the section) beside me there were a lot of travelers from and to CCS using the flights including many business passengers, who used eco on the LIM-CCS segement as LAN did not offer business on that flights.

So far the AR fares in my opinion the cheapest in the marekt, but they are only serving 3 times the week the route... just not enough.



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2594 times:

we forget CM, many travellers on the ccs-eze route are using also CM via PTY


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User currently offlineErikgnoha From Venezuela, joined Jun 2006, 214 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2573 times:

Hey Avianca do you know why is Lan using an all economy A-319 in the CCS-LIM? When did they change this?

Quoting Avianca (Reply 4):
we forget CM, many travellers on the ccs-eze route are using also CM via PTY

That's right! Does Avianca offer a good connection to go to EZE from CCS via BOG?



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2557 times:

Quoting Erikgnoha (Reply 5):
Hey Avianca do you know why is Lan using an all economy A-319 in the CCS-LIM? When did they change this?

no idea, and for me very strange, allone yesterday on the flight were 6 people including me that arrived from EZE in Business and conected to CCS in Eco due the lack of Business on the route. Very strange for me, even more stranger as it seems they used before the 319 with business on the route.

Quoting Erikgnoha (Reply 5):
That's right! Does Avianca offer a good connection to go to EZE from CCS via BOG?

the problem is that AV only flys 3 weekly from BOG to EZE, due that AV is not really attractive. Other point what I noted, 1 year ago AV was always the cheapest option out of Venezuela to LatinAmerica (often even to MIA), now they are really expensive, 1 year before they had tickets from CCS down to EZE for 500 USD now they charge the double!



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User currently offlineErikgnoha From Venezuela, joined Jun 2006, 214 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2537 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 6):
Other point what I noted, 1 year ago AV was always the cheapest option out of Venezuela to LatinAmerica (often even to MIA), now they are really expensive, 1 year before they had tickets from CCS down to EZE for 500 USD now they charge the double!

Very true. I flew last year to BOG with Avianca and was by far the most expensive offer in this route. No wonder they are making money ( I presume) in this route.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 6):
the problem is that AV only flys 3 weekly from BOG to EZE,

Do they upgrade this route in summer time?

Anyways, hopefully this announcement made by Santa Barbara and the beginning of operations on CCS-EZE will reduce the fares since S3 always have great deals, and it will be the first time ( if it become true) a Venezuelan airline lands on EZE since Viasa.



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2519 times:

Quoting Erikgnoha (Reply 7):
Very true. I flew last year to BOG with Avianca and was by far the most expensive offer in this route. No wonder they are making money ( I presume) in this route.

anyway it nice Avianca is doing such great! there international flights must have a very good load-factors !

Quoting Erikgnoha (Reply 7):
Do they upgrade this route in summer time?

I am not sure, sorry just checke some e-mails and noted they are serving EZE 4 x weekly

BUENOS_AIRES 1_3_56_ 22:00 06:10+1 AV0087 0 767



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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4394 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2459 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 6):
the problem is that AV only flys 3 weekly from BOG to EZE

AV flies 4x a week.

Quoting Erikgnoha (Reply 7):
Do they upgrade this route in summer time?

Because of the current bilateral, it´s not possible, but AV is doing whatever it takes so that they upgrade to daily as load factors to EZE and also to GRU (which is already daily) are very high, that´s why we are seeing those expensive fares.


BTW, what is S3´s frecuency right now on CCS-MAD??
Do they have plans to launch another US destination besides MIA??



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2455 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 9):
AV flies 4x a week.

RCS thats correct, already corrected my wrong posting

Quoting Avianca (Reply 8):
I am not sure, sorry just checke some e-mails and noted they are serving EZE 4 x weekly

BUENOS_AIRES 1_3_56_ 22:00 06:10+1 AV0087 0 767



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User currently offlineErikgnoha From Venezuela, joined Jun 2006, 214 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2427 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 9):
BTW, what is S3´s frecuency right now on CCS-MAD??

They fly 5 times a week and during high season they fly 6 time a week.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 9):
Do they have plans to launch another US destination besides MIA??

They have plans to fly MAR-MIA and also they wanted to fly to FLL but it never happened.



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User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2716 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2344 times:

I wonder how TAP is doing on the Funchal - Caracas flight. When it was first started a few years ago, it was initially twice weekly, but then downgraded to once a week. I guess the demand wasn't a good as they originally expected. Oporto is also once a week now while Lisbon is at 3x weekly nonstop.

Maybe S3 plans on kicking TAP out of the route like they did to Iberia on the Tenerife flight. There's only room for one flight a week in both cases.

S3 Should really focus on opening Milan-Rome flights to go against Alitalia. Would be interesting if they also opened Mexico City.

 Smile LatinPlane


User currently offlineErikgnoha From Venezuela, joined Jun 2006, 214 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days ago) and read 2267 times:

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 12):
Oporto is also once a week now while Lisbon is at 3x weekly nonstop.

Tap flies 5 weekly flights from CCS to LIS and one of them is via Funchal. The other flight is one weekly to OPO

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 12):
Maybe S3 plans on kicking TAP out of the route like they did to Iberia on the Tenerife flight. There's only room for one flight a week in both cases.

Totally agreed. S3 offer good deals so if they keep good service in that route they could kick TAP out of this route.

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 12):
Would be interesting if they also opened Mexico City.

It would be great. The MX monopoly in that route (non stop) is not helping with the fares. But I think S3 should focus in South America for a while.



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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8287 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days ago) and read 2242 times:

Quoting Erikgnoha (Reply 13):
Totally agreed. S3 offer good deals so if they keep good service in that route they could kick TAP out of this route.

They won't because TAP's flight is government subsidized, or partialy subsidized. They would be stupid to pull out of a route that costs them mearly peanuts but brings in a lot of revenue.


User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2152 times:

No need to go so far; there are plenty of underserved markets within the Americas from Caracas that could use service from Santa Barbara. It is a shame that flights to EZE, SCL, GRU, MEX and JFK are so extremely limited. Under the current conditions, it is a no-brainer that almost any additional service to those markets would be well-received.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 9):
Because of the current bilateral, it´s not possible, but AV is doing whatever it takes so that they upgrade to daily

It's practically impossible for Avianca to upgrade EZE to daily with the current fleet, unless they reduce SCL [which isn't going to happen], or combine them both [which proved to be very expensive and thus both cities were separated].

Avianca knows that, and they know that pushing for a newly revised bilateral agreement would only benefit Aerolineas Argentinas who is also flying to BOG at the maximum frequencies allowed by the treaty. Unless Avianca acquires another aircraft in the short-term or does something very radical, be sure that the situation with EZE will be left untouched, just as it is.



SOUTHAMERICA

[Edited 2006-10-23 21:58:53]

User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2716 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2143 times:

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 14):
They won't because TAP's flight is government subsidized, or partialy subsidized. They would be stupid to pull out of a route that costs them mearly peanuts but brings in a lot of revenue.

Interesting. Would you be able to go more in depth? The Madeira state government subsidizes the Funchal - Caracas leg in order to provide the Portuguese community in Venezuela a connection to their Islands?

  LatinPlane

[Edited 2006-10-23 22:12:17]

User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4394 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2113 times:

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 15):
newly revised bilateral agreement would only benefit Aerolineas Argentinas who is also flying to BOG at the maximum frequencies allowed by the treaty.

Why only AR? AV would have the possibility to fly daily too...(if they were to revise the agreement AV would lease an extra aircraft for sure)

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 15):
Unless Avianca acquires another aircraft in the short-term or does something very radical, be sure that the situation with EZE will be left untouched, just as it is.

Yes. One day i was thinking that if AV gets another 767-300ER, they could rotate it between GRU, EZE and MEX and let those 762 free to fly to Europe and finally go daily to EZE. If the Colombia-Argentina bilateral is revised, i see it very possible.

[Edited 2006-10-23 22:34:11]


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User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2075 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 17):
Why only AR? AV would have the possibility to fly daily too...(if they were to revise the agreement AV would lease an extra aircraft for sure)

But that's just speculation. The reality is that there is no aircraft available right now, and if the bilateral is revised, AR would have an edge over AV, at least initially [nonetheless I believe they don't have any available aircraft either]. Anyway, you get my point.



SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8287 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1978 times:

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 16):
Interesting. Would you be able to go more in depth? The Madeira state government subsidizes the Funchal - Caracas leg in order to provide the Portuguese community in Venezuela a connection to their Islands?

I could be completely wrong but I believe air service to/from the islands (Madeira and Azores) is subsized by the Portuguese government in order to facilitate transportation to and from the islands.


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