Vulindlela744 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 517 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8877 times:
An insider at Airtran recently told me that he heard from a senior management person that Airtran will be starting service to five new cities in the western US in '07 with Phoenix definately being one of them. My guess for the other four would be San Deigo, Sacramento, Portland, Oregon and maybe Ontario, CA. Any guesses?????
AS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5820 posts, RR: 23 Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8818 times:
Indy: It would be surprised to see FL go west coast from IND or MDW. WN has most of the west traffic from MDW. And IND has a lower traffic flow with NW also doing SFO/LAX. What is the current gate situation at MDW?
Personally speaking I'd love to see the return of CAK-LAS and the addition of CAK-LAX. Pipe dream on the latter I know.
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Indy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4368 posts, RR: 9 Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8779 times:
No airline at IND serves the destinations mentioned in the first post (With the exception of PHX). No nonstops anyway and I don't think there is even a 1 stop with anyone. The west coast is still pretty light on service from here. Same cannot be said for the Florida markets.
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4721 posts, RR: 15 Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8784 times:
I've heard many times in the last year or 2 about AirTran wanting to come to SAN.
There are certainly a lot of ripe routes from SAN that no-one serves n/s and while the OTHERS keep playing a game of airline hot potato, ("You serve the route; no, we don't want to, you fly it; nooooo, you first"...), I would think it absolutely wonderful if FL snuck in one night when nobody was looking, and started flying to MCO (what are you waiting for, ANYBODY?), IND (why not?), and maybe even that big airport in the middle of Georgia, or BOS (what are YOU waiting for, B6?)!
I don't know FL personally (never sold, dealt with or flown them) but I like what I hear about their slow, careful growth and steady presence in the industry. If they can find some space at crowded Lindbergh Field, I would love to see them stir things up a bit more. (Couldn't hurt to get in before VX arrives...)
Indy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4368 posts, RR: 9 Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8771 times:
I think WN and US/HP have PHX pretty well covered from here. 3x daily to LAS is a little light with 1100 people traveling IND-LAS every day. I think the current jets are two 737's and one A319. LAX and SFO are pretty well covered as well. There is no SAN service. No PDX service and only seasonal service to SEA. Only AA flies to DFW from here. And I believe DL dropped SLC. I think FL could easily enter some markets out there from here. I think they are safer moves than adding a bunch of flights to Florida which it did.
JmhLUV2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 559 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8754 times:
I believe San Diego (SAN) would be a smart decision with all the potential
U.S. Navy traffic. I know at one point, AirTran transported many post basic training Navy recruit personel to NAS Pensacola for further specialized training ie. to fly. Its been over a couple years sense I have worked with the company (FL) so I dont know if they still do provide such transportion for the Navy but those reservations would commonly be in the 6-7 thousand dollar range, oh yeah, big dollars. So I believe it would be a fit to not only begin service to SAN but possibly do so directly from the place that would likely see the highest dollar yield, MDW.
As far as PDX, I would think it would depend on this years numbers with SEA.
In PHX, US/HP is the center of the battle ground there....
In SMF, I dont think would be a fit, too close to SFO
As far as ONT....?? could be, could really be.
RL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4537 posts, RR: 13 Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8338 times:
One thing the new cities have had in common is that FL was the 1st/ only LCC at the airport. What airports are left that dont have any LCC airline at all, seems like FL and B6 are each battling for the remaining airports to have LCC service...hence BTV PWM and SYR for B6 and SWF HPN and DAB for FL. What airports are next?
MLB, MDT, CVG, AVP, BGR, CAE, CHS, TLH (AVP and BGR may be too small)
Larger airports with no ATL LCC service:
PVD, LIT, STL, TLH, PHX, SAN, PDX, OKC, CVG, BNA
One of the things i know FL is looking for is route possibilites outside of ATL. I.E. FL could choose PWM over MHT becuase they can offer PHL and BWI, which they cant do over at MHT because of WN...
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PVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3375 posts, RR: 18 Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8276 times:
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 16): One of the things i know FL is looking for is route possibilites outside of ATL. I.E. FL could choose PWM over MHT becuase they can offer PHL and BWI, which they cant do over at MHT because of WN...
...or just might not WANT to do that is! I would love for FL to come to PVD, thats for sure!
B6WNQX From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 238 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8235 times:
Seeing them out here in PDX would be great. It would give us more options to go to Florida cheaper than DL while giving another option to B6's redeye. I think PDX still has maye 4 gates at the end of B still open. I know they had more but they are repaving or something by the UA gates and US/HP were moved to B. Still plenty of room for some expansion.
Steeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 8811 posts, RR: 19 Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7841 times:
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 16): No LCCs:
MLB, MDT, CVG, AVP, BGR, CAE, CHS, TLH (AVP and BGR may be too small)
MDT is DYING to land a LCC. They actually did get FL to start up service, or at least agree to it. Three days before the deal would come through, they backed out and went to HPN instead. If FL enters MDT, then I am sure that DL would bring back an MD88 on MDT-ATL, or use a 738/A320 (providing that their MD88 will have been replaced by 737/A320 aircraft by the time this happens anyway...) People on here think that MDT could do just fine without LCCs tapping into the market, but I don't think it can. Will the legacies lower their fares at MDT to increase pax loads, not to mention, add destinations out of MDT? Yeah... who are you kidding?
CVG could use one as well to get lower prices as well as fill in the gaps opening up with DL cutbacks there. Hopefully CVG does not become another PIT, an underutilized, overpriced facility that airlines avoid like the plague...
As far as FL adding/re-adding PIT service... um... should I or should I not laugh???
Anyway, who can tell me what the top 10 O&D markets are out of CVG, other than ATL?
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AirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3639 posts, RR: 12 Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7837 times:
I know that you will see a lot of changes coming from the Tran in the near future. I little bird told me that they will be posting a loss tomorrow, and the powers that be are pissed off. The route network needs to be fixed. Flying from PHL to BOS with ten people on the airplane doesn't make money. The aircraft need to be used where the seats are needed, not in a manner where they are trying to grow a city pair.
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25 MCOflyer: My bet is on: ATL-SAN ATL-ONT IND-SAN MCOflyer
26 Indy: I'll be honest when I say I have absolutely no idea what FL is trying to accomplish with its network. It is as if they want a hub, focus cities and po
27 Steeler83: I thought this route was doing fine. I guess I just assumed it because BOTH PHL and BOS are O&D goldmines. I guess they're not big enough for each ot
28 AS739X: AVC: Damn, I completely forgot about that, your right! But I still stand by my opinion that IND-West Coast won't be FL's next move. And West Coast fro
29 OMA2FAI2SAV: I would like to see FL add some more cities in the midwest. OMA or DSM. In addition, I would also like to see some more flying from SAV. I know that b
30 COERJ145: I'd think a seasonal ATL-PSP service would work with all the traffic DL gets on this route(went out full when I flew it). I'd also like them to come t
31 Jlbmedia: AirTran737, How is AirTran doing in general at PHL. I know the Boston-PHL is not doing well, but they put 4 flights a day vs 16 for USAIRWAYS, and I d
32 Dolphinflyer: What about new service to ALB with nonstops to ATL (2-3) and FLL (1) daily? Heck, they seem to be working their way up the Hudson River with recent se
33 SLCUT2777: If they can take on DL in their fortress hub of ATL, then they can also serve SLC, if they can get the gate space there.
34 Jbmflyer: Airtran is beginning service to Daytona Beach International Airport in January. It will be three flights per day to Atlanta, and I believe in Mid-Febr
35 Gunsontheroof: On a related note, will we see ATL-SEA go year-round in 2007? I was pretty surprised that they kept it seasonal this year considering the strength of
36 Pdxintl: FL should bypass ATL and be the first airline to offer nonstop PDX-Florida to either MCO, TPA, or FLL. They could try this seasonal and see how it per
37 RedTailDTW: Hopefully AirTran will announce PHX before next summer, i hope to fly them for the first time.
38 Gunsontheroof: FL doesn't fly to Florida from any of their current west coast destinations (LAX, SFO, SEA), so I seriously doubt that you'll be seeing them start wi