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New Routes For Airtran In '07?  
User currently offlineVulindlela744 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 521 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11274 times:

An insider at Airtran recently told me that he heard from a senior management person that Airtran will be starting service to five new cities in the western US in '07 with Phoenix definately being one of them. My guess for the other four would be San Deigo, Sacramento, Portland, Oregon and maybe Ontario, CA. Any guesses?????

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User currently offlinePdxintl From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11248 times:

It would be nice to see DL get some competition here at PDX with ATL. Would PDX be seasonal like SEA?

User currently offlineATLAaron From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1023 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11235 times:
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SNA, or SJC perhaps.

User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4568 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11232 times:

Will all of these be from ATL or will they add them to IND or MDW as well?


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6145 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11215 times:

Indy: It would be surprised to see FL go west coast from IND or MDW. WN has most of the west traffic from MDW. And IND has a lower traffic flow with NW also doing SFO/LAX. What is the current gate situation at MDW?


Personally speaking I'd love to see the return of CAK-LAS and the addition of CAK-LAX. Pipe dream on the latter I know.

ASLAX



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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4568 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 11176 times:

No airline at IND serves the destinations mentioned in the first post (With the exception of PHX). No nonstops anyway and I don't think there is even a 1 stop with anyone. The west coast is still pretty light on service from here. Same cannot be said for the Florida markets.


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5436 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 11181 times:

I've heard many times in the last year or 2 about AirTran wanting to come to SAN.

There are certainly a lot of ripe routes from SAN that no-one serves n/s and while the OTHERS keep playing a game of airline hot potato, ("You serve the route; no, we don't want to, you fly it; nooooo, you first"...), I would think it absolutely wonderful if FL snuck in one night when nobody was looking, and started flying to MCO (what are you waiting for, ANYBODY?), IND (why not?), and maybe even that big airport in the middle of Georgia, or BOS (what are YOU waiting for, B6?)!

I don't know FL personally (never sold, dealt with or flown them) but I like what I hear about their slow, careful growth and steady presence in the industry. If they can find some space at crowded Lindbergh Field, I would love to see them stir things up a bit more. (Couldn't hurt to get in before VX arrives...)

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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4568 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 11168 times:

I think WN and US/HP have PHX pretty well covered from here. 3x daily to LAS is a little light with 1100 people traveling IND-LAS every day. I think the current jets are two 737's and one A319. LAX and SFO are pretty well covered as well. There is no SAN service. No PDX service and only seasonal service to SEA. Only AA flies to DFW from here. And I believe DL dropped SLC. I think FL could easily enter some markets out there from here. I think they are safer moves than adding a bunch of flights to Florida which it did.


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineFedexexpress From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11151 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 7):
I think FL could easily enter some markets out there from here. I think they are safer moves than adding a bunch of flights to Florida which it did.

Well said INDY! I would like to see Northwest connect some of the dots to some of these places myself!



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User currently offlineJmhLUV2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 559 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11151 times:

I believe San Diego (SAN) would be a smart decision with all the potential
U.S. Navy traffic. I know at one point, AirTran transported many post basic training Navy recruit personel to NAS Pensacola for further specialized training ie. to fly. Its been over a couple years sense I have worked with the company (FL) so I dont know if they still do provide such transportion for the Navy but those reservations would commonly be in the 6-7 thousand dollar range, oh yeah, big dollars. So I believe it would be a fit to not only begin service to SAN but possibly do so directly from the place that would likely see the highest dollar yield, MDW.
As far as PDX, I would think it would depend on this years numbers with SEA.
In PHX, US/HP is the center of the battle ground there....
In SMF, I dont think would be a fit, too close to SFO
As far as ONT....?? could be, could really be.

JMH-Pensacola, Florida!


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12150 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 11146 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 3):
Will all of these be from ATL or will they add them to IND or MDW as well?

I think some of these cities will be with connections through DFW, not IND or MDW.


User currently offlineFedexexpress From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 11146 times:

Thru DFW??????? What airline would be flying that?


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User currently offlineGr8SlvrFlt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1606 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11114 times:

I've heard SAN and ABQ but who knows? Two that were never rumored are DAB and SWF!

User currently offlineRj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 11062 times:

Omaha, Nebraska is overdue for AirTran!

User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1599 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10840 times:

Quoting JmhLUV2fly (Reply 9):
I believe San Diego (SAN) would be a smart decision with all the potential
U.S. Navy traffic.

AirTran could make good use of a red-eye by flying SAN-PHF non-stop, maybe a late night return westbound. There are nearly 300 pax a day between San Diego and the Tidewater area.



Uncle SAN at your service!
User currently offlineDeltaDAWG From United States of America, joined May 2006, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10779 times:

I have heard also that FL will be finding its way into some Western cities next year. The ones I have heard about is SAN, SLC, ABQ and more LAS service from existing cities.

I still believe they are missing out on a golden opportunity by not servicing STL. STL is waiting for other LCC service from ATL and other areas. It would make a great midwest focus city.

Just my $.02



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4674 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10735 times:

One thing the new cities have had in common is that FL was the 1st/ only LCC at the airport. What airports are left that dont have any LCC airline at all, seems like FL and B6 are each battling for the remaining airports to have LCC service...hence BTV PWM and SYR for B6 and SWF HPN and DAB for FL. What airports are next?

No LCCs:
MLB, MDT, CVG, AVP, BGR, CAE, CHS, TLH (AVP and BGR may be too small)

Larger airports with no ATL LCC service:
PVD, LIT, STL, TLH, PHX, SAN, PDX, OKC, CVG, BNA

One of the things i know FL is looking for is route possibilites outside of ATL. I.E. FL could choose PWM over MHT becuase they can offer PHL and BWI, which they cant do over at MHT because of WN...



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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3413 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10673 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 16):
One of the things i know FL is looking for is route possibilites outside of ATL. I.E. FL could choose PWM over MHT becuase they can offer PHL and BWI, which they cant do over at MHT because of WN...

...or just might not WANT to do that is! I would love for FL to come to PVD, thats for sure!


User currently offlineB6WNQX From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10632 times:

Seeing them out here in PDX would be great. It would give us more options to go to Florida cheaper than DL while giving another option to B6's redeye. I think PDX still has maye 4 gates at the end of B still open. I know they had more but they are repaving or something by the UA gates and US/HP were moved to B. Still plenty of room for some expansion.

User currently offlineWalter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 10450 times:

well on a related topic i want them to fly to PVD  Smile


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User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10400 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 4):
It would be surprised to see FL go west coast from IND or MDW.

FL serves IND to LAX and SFO currently.

Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 15):
The ones I have heard about is SAN, SLC, ABQ and more LAS service from existing cities.

I keep hearing SLC, I think that would be a wasted effort. Does SLC warrant enough demand? WN operation is not that large.


User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4403 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 10306 times:
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Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 16):
What airports are left that dont have any LCC airline at all

DSM/CID have no LCC besides Allegiant (useless for connections).



Next flights: WN DSM-LAS-PHX, US PHX-SJD.
User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9210 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10238 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 16):
No LCCs:
MLB, MDT, CVG, AVP, BGR, CAE, CHS, TLH (AVP and BGR may be too small)

MDT is DYING to land a LCC. They actually did get FL to start up service, or at least agree to it. Three days before the deal would come through, they backed out and went to HPN instead. If FL enters MDT, then I am sure that DL would bring back an MD88 on MDT-ATL, or use a 738/A320 (providing that their MD88 will have been replaced by 737/A320 aircraft by the time this happens anyway...) People on here think that MDT could do just fine without LCCs tapping into the market, but I don't think it can. Will the legacies lower their fares at MDT to increase pax loads, not to mention, add destinations out of MDT? Yeah... who are you kidding?

CVG could use one as well to get lower prices as well as fill in the gaps opening up with DL cutbacks there. Hopefully CVG does not become another PIT, an underutilized, overpriced facility that airlines avoid like the plague...

As far as FL adding/re-adding PIT service... um... should I or should I not laugh???

Anyway, who can tell me what the top 10 O&D markets are out of CVG, other than ATL?



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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7496 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10225 times:

I'de love to see FL do ROC-LAS with a 73G. Heck,WN does BUF-LAS 2X a day. I know ROC could support this route , say 5X a week . Hell,I'de fly them !

Anyone know if they'll bring back the seasonal ROC-FLL flight ? They have n/s ROC-TPA & MCO year-round.



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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10234 times:
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I know that you will see a lot of changes coming from the Tran in the near future. I little bird told me that they will be posting a loss tomorrow, and the powers that be are pissed off. The route network needs to be fixed. Flying from PHL to BOS with ten people on the airplane doesn't make money. The aircraft need to be used where the seats are needed, not in a manner where they are trying to grow a city pair.


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25 MCOflyer : My bet is on: ATL-SAN ATL-ONT IND-SAN MCOflyer
26 Indy : I'll be honest when I say I have absolutely no idea what FL is trying to accomplish with its network. It is as if they want a hub, focus cities and po
27 Steeler83 : I thought this route was doing fine. I guess I just assumed it because BOTH PHL and BOS are O&D goldmines. I guess they're not big enough for each ot
28 AS739X : AVC: Damn, I completely forgot about that, your right! But I still stand by my opinion that IND-West Coast won't be FL's next move. And West Coast fro
29 OMA2FAI2SAV : I would like to see FL add some more cities in the midwest. OMA or DSM. In addition, I would also like to see some more flying from SAV. I know that b
30 COERJ145 : I'd think a seasonal ATL-PSP service would work with all the traffic DL gets on this route(went out full when I flew it). I'd also like them to come t
31 Jlbmedia : AirTran737, How is AirTran doing in general at PHL. I know the Boston-PHL is not doing well, but they put 4 flights a day vs 16 for USAIRWAYS, and I d
32 Dolphinflyer : What about new service to ALB with nonstops to ATL (2-3) and FLL (1) daily? Heck, they seem to be working their way up the Hudson River with recent se
33 SLCUT2777 : If they can take on DL in their fortress hub of ATL, then they can also serve SLC, if they can get the gate space there.
34 Jbmflyer : Airtran is beginning service to Daytona Beach International Airport in January. It will be three flights per day to Atlanta, and I believe in Mid-Febr
35 Gunsontheroof : On a related note, will we see ATL-SEA go year-round in 2007? I was pretty surprised that they kept it seasonal this year considering the strength of
36 Pdxintl : FL should bypass ATL and be the first airline to offer nonstop PDX-Florida to either MCO, TPA, or FLL. They could try this seasonal and see how it per
37 RedTailDTW : Hopefully AirTran will announce PHX before next summer, i hope to fly them for the first time.
38 Gunsontheroof : FL doesn't fly to Florida from any of their current west coast destinations (LAX, SFO, SEA), so I seriously doubt that you'll be seeing them start wi
39 Kcrwflyer : Lets toss CRW in that mix.
40 Knope2001 : For what it's worth, here are average onboard loads for the 12 most recent months available, August 05 through July 06: 61.2% aug 58.6% sept 64.0% oc
41 Post contains images JayDavis : Well they did so well at the western expansion at DFW !! Lets see, they've pulled out of DFW-LAX "AND" DFW-LAS. I was told when I interviewed with the
42 MSYtristar : I think the plan is to get to about 300 flights per day in ATL, so more growth will take place there. Not the best move in my opinion since ATL is pro
43 FWAERJ : Ever since C8 pulled out, FWA (my hometown airport) doesn't have any LCC service... not even from G4. Personally, I don't think that Allegiant would
44 Post contains images CIDFlyer : Amen, would love to see FL here at CID, but alas I suppose MLI is too close for them to consider it. I hate seeing MLI get all the good airfares!
45 Walter747 : i'm still hoping FL chosesto fly to PVD
46 PVD757 : me too - I think FL would be a great fit for PVD.
47 Flyinryan99 : Dude...do we have to get into this again? What is your source? Please email me direct so we can discuss this further. I think you just like to get a
48 Walter747 : right on
49 Vega : Since the Overall Annual Load Factor for AirTran is in the low 70s, these numbers would seem to be fairly unsatisfactory. Competition at PHL must be
50 Fedexexpress : Why not build a focus/ hub at IND? IND is not delay prone, getting a new terminal, with room to grow, looks like a win win for both to me? Any thought
51 Gr8SlvrFlt : PHL-BOS is a primarily business market rather than a lower-yielding leisure market. I would imagine that the lighter loads are somewhat offset by high
52 Knope2001 : From the most recent DoT stats (1st quarter 2006) average one-way fare PHL-BOS FL $81.17 US $132.81 For comparison, other AirTran nonstop markets of
53 Indy : Given the concourse that FL currently operates out of here has a couple of common use gates and that 6 additional gates will be available in 2 years
54 Jamesjimlb : they need to get to iah!
55 Gr8SlvrFlt : From the most recent DoT stats (1st quarter 2006) average one-way fare PHL-BOS FL $81.17 US $132.81 For comparison, other AirTran nonstop markets of s
56 Quickmover : It still shows up on the route map. When do they drop it?
57 Flyinryan99 : According to amadeus.net, it shows November 6th as the last day. They upped ATL to 5 daily flights and also added all of those other cities. I though
58 JetBlueGuy2006 : From my first experience, you wont be disappointed.
59 Ouboy79 : I wouldn't be shocked to see Allegiant give FWA a try. Starting service there will effect SBN and TOL little. TOL since it opened has been one of the
60 Travatl : ..... Oh, if I only had a nickel....
61 MtnWest1979 : I'll throw out Boise,ID (BOI). Operate 1 daily to ATL and two to MDW. Looking at Delta's now seasonal n/s to ATL shows that there is a somewhat good m
62 Post contains links and images Treebeard787 : AirTran is hosting a vote on their website to find out what city they should fly to next. http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/061030/nym208.html?.v=51 Vote fo
63 Post contains images SANFan : Sorry Tree, it looked to me like PHX was already a done deal so I only voted for SAN! (BTW, there is now a separate thread on the subject as well.) I
64 Tys777 : here are the cities you can vote for in the poll Albany, N.Y. Albuquerque, N.M. Allentown, Pa. Austin, Texas Baton Rouge, La. Boise, Idaho Burlington,
65 PanAm330 : Where do I find this pole so I can vote?
66 Gr8SlvrFlt : AirTran has announced two new cities for 2007 (SWF & DAB) and has said at least three more will be added. The company has also said there will be incr
67 Steeler83 : They are growing IND like no one would believe, along with MDW and BWI. I do think that a mini hub at IND would make sense, as well as a focus city a
68 Indy : With all the new space coming on line here in 2008 it would make a good place for an FL mini hub. Plenty of gates with plenty of room to grow and shor
69 Fedexexpress : Only 40 gates though? Is there not much room to grow from the current terminal to the "Brand New Terminal"? Only 7 gates more?
70 Steeler83 : As I said above, man, I agree with FL possibly building a focus city at IND How many gates does FL currently use at IND, and how many gates do they i
71 Indy : Its actually 6 more gates. For some reason the airport website lists the airport as having 33 gates. I don't think they ever updated the site after t
72 Fedexexpress : I understand that.... but this "new" terminal is supposed to get us into the next decade ... don't you think IND will want to try to attract some new
73 ATAIndy : There is plenty of room for additional gates when the demand comes. I'm pretty sure they will be able to add on to the concourses in the new terminal
74 Post contains images Steeler83 : Indy showed me a pic of what that new terminal was going to look like. It's basically two long piers, I guess each consisting of 20 gates. He said th
75 Indy : Each concourse can be expanded to 30 gates. Yes they do. They still have over 40 flights per day here.
76 Steeler83 : Wow, ok, then I am sure that considering the local airport authority there, and the interest in IND, I guess it wouldn't be too long before one or bo
77 Fedexexpress : I did not realize that IND was thinking about building a satellite terminal?? Is that really in the plans or is that just something someone made up!!
78 FWAERJ : IIRC, NW has seasonal IND-CUN service.
79 DesertAir : Recently another thread about Delta indicated that they are cutting their Tucson to Atlanta service to one a day. I would like to see AirTran give us
80 SANFan : Vulindlela744, looks like you know a reliable "insider" (given the news just released about PHX starting in Feb). Have you heard any further info fro
81 ATLAaron : I still think they should go to SNA, perhaps it is too close to LAX for them. Anyhow, what are some of FL's worst performing cities? I have always hea
82 Steeler83 : Yeah, I believe they were the first LCC to enter the PIT market... circa 2000. Let's see, what else was around at PIT in 2000??? Oh yeah, that 550-fl
83 USPIT10L : Actually, FL started service at PIT on December 12, 2000 with 10 flights a day. 4 to ATL, 4 to MDW, and 2 to LGA. PHL was added in July of 2001 with
84 Post contains links FWAERJ : PHX probably won't be the only new city from AirTran's list that will be launched in 2007. Surprisingly, FWA was in the top 5 cities in terms of votes
85 RL757PVD : Anyone have any info on cities that "exceeded expectations" or faired very well in the city voting?
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