Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 11950 posts, RR: 37 Reply 2, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 628 times:
You've got to feel sorry for UPS pilots though - there they were, thinking they'd got away with it - 757/767s, A300s and 747s, that was enough. Let Fed Ex have the '11s and they could bypass them. . .
I wonder how many volunteers they're going to have for conversion. As nice an aircraft as it looks (and I certainly can't wait to see them), I have yet to hear of a pilot that actually likes to fly them. Still, as a freighter, it does the job; Martinair is out, as all but one of its aircraft are now flown as freighters. Still, there is CAL, Thai, KLM (as you mentioned), possibly Varig and Finnair - all of which would no doubt relish the possibility of foisting their aircraft on some poor unsuspecting airline.
This isn't intended as a joke; many airlines operating the '11 would have concerns about their ability to get rid of the aircraft and this would have ramifications for their fleet plans; if they can't sell it, they might as well hold onto them. Now, with UPS expressing an interest, I'm sure they'd get quite a few approaches from airlines.
UPS Pilot From United States of America, joined May 1999, 867 posts, RR: 3 Reply 3, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 624 times:
I said in a earlier post that it looks like they will be coming from JAL and China Eastern at first. The initial order is for approx 13 aircraft with and additional 20 to 25. The deal isn't inked yet but it should be by years end.
Alot of pilots feel it is a good choice to go with the MD-11, I wish it was the 744 but long range lift is needed with the China routes starting April 1 of 2000. The 744 couldn't be delivered in time. It was said that Boeing was going to lease UPS MD-11's in the meantime while the 744f was being manufactured and able to come on line. I guess thats not going to happen
I do look for more 742's to enter the fleet though
Dc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 7 Reply 4, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 615 times:
The md 11's only hope for the furture is as a freighter, it does good as a freighter, All the Fedex md 11 crews I know like fling them. Thier honeywell flight computers are seconded only to the 777 , and they can carry as much freight as a 747-100, with one less pilot and one less motor. so it will be worth alot for a long time.
Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
Okforalll From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 591 times:
Where did you hear that the pilots hate flying the MD-11 and MD-10F? My brother is a pilot for Fed-Ex and loves them both. He says , and I agree, that all aircraft have their little likes and dislikes and this airplane is no different, but draw straws to fly them? I don't think so.
Axe From Netherlands, joined Mar 2000, 18 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 585 times:
OK for all!!!, Okforall.
It will do just perfect as a freighter, for both companies and flying crew.
Passenger services will decrease rapidly, I think.
I'm sorry for that, I think the MD 11 is a lot more comfortable flying than any 747 I've flown.
Flights are less bumpy, seating is more comfortable.