Lowecur From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 585 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8374 times:
Neeleman will give a synopsis of the growth plan for 2007 at the cc tomorrow. On tap are 14 more cities for 2007. It will be interesting to see how this will unfold and just what focus cities will grow.
BOS, JFK, and MCO headline my list of stations that will receive the majority of growth. STL will probably be named the midwest hub as they try and connect the East with the West for the 190s. I believe most of the new 190 cities will consist of small to midsized markets along the East Coast and Midwest. Look for MCO to be the big growth catalyst.
B6WNQX From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 238 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days ago) and read 8333 times:
If they are going to open 14 new cities next year, when are they going to start connecting the dots more? I am hoping that they start connecting the dots out here on the west coast!? I travel to SMF/OAK every other month and would love to do that trip on B6, even though after 4 flights I get a free one on WN.
Can't wait for the webcast tomorrow, even though I have to go to class I do have a few breaks that I can listen in on.
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6626 posts, RR: 19 Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8133 times:
Riddle me crazy.. but I am thinking the following are just snippets of what could possibly happen..
Opening of at least SAV, MCI, and ORF (why am I thinking OKC?)
STL mini-hub creation with flights to JFK, BOS, MCO, OAK
Additional destinations from CUN or SJU, MSY, RDU, CLT, CMH, OAK, AUS.. etc..
More international flights to MBJ, Cayman, YYZ or YUL, STT
Like I said.. call me crazy.. but that's what my 8-ball is showing me..
Dreamflight767 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 57 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8105 times:
Panam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2601 posts, RR: 10 Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8082 times:
I'm hoping for DAB-JFK, and SYR-FLL. As for new cities, I'd love to see STL on the map (and I'd love to see it be a BIG station, but we'll just have to wait and see).
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16255 posts, RR: 52 Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8052 times:
At some point I expect B6 to launch flights from Atlantic City and or Trenton Mercer to serve both the Philadelphia and New Jersey markets, especially given the dominance and head start WN has in Philadelphia and the difficulty B6 has experienced at EWR.
Atlantic City and or Trenton Mercer gives B6 the ability to serve the New Jersey and Philadelphia markets without competing head to head with WN, US at PHL and CO at EWR.
Jetbluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2785 posts, RR: 15 Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8022 times:
I'm surprised about that number...14. I would have thought that next year would see more connecting of the dots. Oh well. Let's see how this plays out.
Can't wait for the cc tomorrow!
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JetBlueNYFL From United States of America, joined May 2006, 274 posts, RR: 3 Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7988 times:
What's the source for this? Also, why would groowth plans for 2007 be announced (to the public) in 3rd qtr. 2006?
IMO, 2007 will be a much quieter year than 2006. I think there will be a maximum of 10 new cities (although I may very well be wrong.) I just don't see where they can grow especially with the new T5 still being constructed. Once T5 opens, then therre will once again be a huge growth especially at JFK.
For 2007, I would say MSP, STL, ABQ and DAB. In terms of connecting the dots, maybe BUF-FLL, BOS-MSY, BOS-CLT, BOS-HOU.
Remember, not all growth means new cities or connecting the dots. I would say jetBlue has something up its sleeve regarding an international alliance with a foreign airline or 2 for interlining.
Also, from a VERY reliable source: look for the ability to view seat maps before purchase online (will first be introduced for TrueBlue members only)!!
N844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7952 times:
Quoting Jetbluefan1 (Reply 8): I'm surprised about that number...14. I would have thought that next year would see more connecting of the dots. Oh well. Let's see how this plays out.
Out of curiosity, does anyone know if B6 has a static route map, or if an enthusiast has put one together? I can sorta get an idea of their network by playing around with their Flash map on their website, but I'd like to see the whole thing in one place, if such a beast exists.
Edit: Actually, nevermind, that may be a dumb question. Looking some more at the Flash route map, it looks like all their flights pass through one of the "key cities." Is this correct? For some reason, I was under the impression that B6 did more point-to-point flying.
[Edited 2006-10-23 21:21:10]
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Steeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 8808 posts, RR: 19 Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7815 times:
Anyone think they'll pull out of PIT due to poor loads? Or will they try to promote the airline better there?
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Richierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4022 posts, RR: 6 Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7742 times:
Lowecur From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 585 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7741 times:
Quoting JetBlueNYFL (Reply 9): I just don't see where they can grow especially with the new T5 still being constructed. Once T5 opens, then therre will once again be a huge growth especially at JFK.
I think they have 21 gates now and can run up to 185 flts per day. Also, I believe they have use of 4 other gates for international arrivals.
Walter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 5 Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7573 times:
JetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1613 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7541 times:
If they open up a mini-hub in STL, I could see them expanding into Ohio more, Illinois a little more and even Michigan (by bet would be on FNT if anywhere).
Home Airport: Capital Region International Airport (KLAN)
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7504 times:
Quoting B6WNQX (Reply 1): even though after 4 flights I get a free one on WN.
I didn't know they were still doing that
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2): I think (and hope) that 2007 is finally the year FLL gets growig. They've wanted to expad there for ages, but have had trouble finding the space.
I thought you said they were supposed to be going to MIA?
Quoting N844AA (Reply 10): Looking some more at the Flash route map, it looks like all their flights pass through one of the "key cities." Is this correct
Yep, exactly
Quoting Lowecur (Reply 12): Why do you need a source? My word is God.
I think David Neelman claims the same thing
Quoting Lowecur (Reply 14): I think they have 21 gates now and can run up to 185 flts per day.
They should up their gate utilization rate then.
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MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31116 posts, RR: 74 Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7440 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 17): Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
I think (and hope) that 2007 is finally the year FLL gets growig. They've wanted to expad there for ages, but have had trouble finding the space.
I thought you said they were supposed to be going to MIA?
There most recent talks with MIA this past May did not produce anything. jetBlue doesn't want to pay the fees MIA is charging. I still think we'll see them at MIA, but not until they are in a a) situation where they "have to" to expand in SFL or b) MIA offers them a better financial incentive.
Atrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5613 posts, RR: 54 Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7440 times:
Quoting B6WNQX (Reply 1): even though after 4 flights I get a free one on WN.
Thats through the college program right?
Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
I didn't know they were still doing that
Yep! I am also getting the same deal.
Alex
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Walter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 5 Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7298 times:
what does PVD have for gatespace? I dont think they have any open gates do they? They could probably share with Spirit/Delta.. maybe not.. hmm.. Ponder with me about this one...
Walter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 5 Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7238 times:
well PVD does have an AA gate open because in 04' they pulled out all their mainline fleet and stuck 2 eagle flights in instead. so basically the AA gate is empty for most of the day and the Spirit gate is empty for most of the day having also 2 flights a day. So there are two gates free they could also share a gate with CO they don't come frequently but more frequently than AA or Spirit. I think they'll have the most luck with AA or Spirt though and as part of the FAA's plan to spruce up New England airports they plan on extending the south side of the terminal which is the us airways side.
The 2 gates on the right are the 2 AA gates they use 2 times a day.
The Delta/Spirit gates are the 3 on the left the spirit gate which is also used 2 times a day is the one on the far left. also the 2 next to the spirit gate are the DA gates which can be shared with B6 because the most DA planes there at a time are 1.
So there are 3 gates which is probably plenty considering they only got 4 at ORD
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6626 posts, RR: 19 Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7230 times:
I don't think Delta nor American would want to share any gate space with jetBlue.. color me crazy, but somehow I don't see that marriage working.. it sounds more like a Johnny Cochrane case to me.. cause someone would try to commit murder before that happens.. Next??
Aiming High and going far..
25 Walter747: i could understand DA not taking to the idea but AA they have three EAGLE flight's into PVD a day (not 2 sorry) 1 at 7:40 A.M. another at 12:15 P.M. a
26 Flightopsguy: Is there a definitive number of new airframes coming in 2007?
27 Walter747: well im still hopping PVD can make it, bit obviously we all know at least one that is going to be on there.....ORD
28 N1120A: Yet they are going through all this crap at ORD? They don't have 4 gates at ORD. If they had 4 gates, they could run 35-40 flights. They go 4 SLOTS,
29 Rj777: I hope OMA is on the list for '07. Heck, I'll be hapy whenever we get a new airline.
30 Steeler83: I hope they continue to fly that as well. The people of the great city of Pittsburgh should embrace that airline. In order for people to embrace it,
31 MAH4546: Well, ORD doesn't charge close to $16 per passenger like MIA does. Though I agree, they are wasting their time with O'Hare, especially when all they
32 N1120A: I just don't see what their deal with ORD is, when they can fly into MDW, especially considering the pull down of the legacies there. Further, if MIA
33 MAH4546: Agreed. Plus, Midway is a far easier airport to use and much closer to downtown. As someone currently living in Chicago, I despise O'Hare. The only r
34 Steeler83: I guess the word of mouth isn't spreading very well in and around the Steel City. In Pittsburgh, there are tv commercials about making tv commercials
35 Lightsaber: WHAT?!? Ummm... so much for getting the crew per plane down. I do hope some is via partnerships. Jetblue did well via "word of mouth." But I think it
37 JetBlueAtJFK: I think the planes will be coming in at a steady rate by then, or if not, they have worked out a plan for the new arrivals, it is somewhere in the re
38 Boeing Nut: "Even God can't hit a one iron" - Lee Trevino. I've said it before and I'll say it again, in this business, I'll believe it when I see it. Signed, St
39 N1120A: The thing is, airline economics are that easy, but jetBlue does the most piss poor job of revenue management you can find. Look how quietly and easil
40 Atrude777: It never has for me. I show up, check in for my WN flight go through security in 5 min or less. I thought MDW was IN Downtown and ORD was 40 min from
41 Legacytravel: What about MKE?? We really could use another carrier here. I know MKE officials have been drooling to get WN here and I know there was talk about Jet
42 Dolphinflyer: B6 should add SAT. SAT-JFK, SAT-FLL, SAT-OAK and SAT-BOS would be great additions.
43 Lowecur: The more I read the article that I posted, the more I think the author may be confusing her info with current 2006 new stations. Since we don't have
44 MAH4546: I've never waited more than 20 minutes for secuirty at Midway, and that has always been during the holiday periods. Downtown Chicago to Midway, depen
46 Steeler83: They prefer DAL over DFW, but they do indeed really want to go into the Dallas Market - without going directly against AA at DFW. Thanks to WN with t
47 Wsan581: I have a very good feeling MIA is in the cards early next year. T6 is at capacity, however keep in mind that they have moved all SJU flights to T4 an
48 Continental: I could see MSP, but wouldn't the competition get pretty rough? Northwest, Continental and Sun Country serve the NY area (CO/NW EWR, NW/SCX JFK, NW LG
49 Lightsaber: Nothing wrong with that. FL seems to be really good at it. But I'd rather they spend time focusing on fundamentals. (Like the plan to get down to 70
50 JetBluefan1: Huh? Perhaps you haven't seen JetBlue's double digit increases in RASM for every month since April, even with a lower load factor. JetBluefan1
51 ERJ170: That shouldn't matter. Look at RDU before B6 entered... American Eagle.. 10X LGA, 5x JFK, 5x EWR Delta Connection.. 4x LGA, 3x JFK US Airways Express
52 DeltaDAWG: 14 new cities is ambitious. Very ambitious. What is the most number of cities B6 has started in a year, anyone know off hand? If they do start 14 citi
53 Dreamflight767: What time are we expecting this announcement?
55 MasseyBrown: Listening to the cc, a pessimist could very well predict a continuing cash flow deficit, no growth, layoffs, continuing E190 operating troubles, and p
56 Vivavegas: Per CC - New and Final 2006 city will be announced on Wednesday Oct 25. DN says look for PR. ORD? Craig
58 MAH4546: I hope you are right. I've lost confidence in jetBlue coming to MIA recently because the more the two parties talk, the further they seem to get.
59 N1120A: That is because they have increased short haul flying. Their long haul yields are horrible because of their limited fare structure, and it is not lik
60 CactusA319: Not to nitpick, but you can drive from the Loop to ORD in about 20 minutes during non-peak travel times. The 120 minute drive is on the high end (usu
61 N1120A: And both are well connected to transport, which eliminates the need to drive anyway.
62 MAH4546: Not with the current construction nightmare. The Dan Ryan is two-three lanes in each direction. Commute times have literally doubled since constructi
63 CactusA319: Actually I drove to downtown from the airport in about 20 minutes just recently. Granted I was doing about 70 mph the whole way but you get the idea.
64 Walter747: when are they making the anouncement
65 JetBluefan1: It's either ORD or SWF. In any case, there are various sources confirming that SWF will be announced tomorrow. JetBluefan1
67 Humberside: Things could get interesting at SWF then if they go head to head with AirTran, which would be probable if they did go into SWF (MCO/FLL/TPA). And the
68 CentPIT: The funny thing is, I just saw a TV commercial this morning. The commercial was for Pittsburgh to Boston, promoting the $49 one-way fare. The commerc
69 JetBlueAtJFK: Tomorrow should be ORD since they got the slots, I can't see a reason why it wouldn't be if it is the last 2006 city. Someone said that the final 2006
70 Cadet57: C'mon BDL! I need somethin better to shoot!
77 JetBlueAUS: No they aren't. They are announcing fourteen new cities throughout the 2007 year. Tomorrow, I believe, they are only announcing SWF. Not sure about O
78 JetBlueAtJFK: So how long can they hold on to the unused ORD slots? I would think they would use them when they get them but maybe they want to wait and apply for
79 Wsan581: They must announce scheduled service no later then Saturday October 28th 2006, andI believe service must start nolater then Jan. 27th, 2007.
81 ISP: Indeed it is... Service from SWF will launch 12/19/06, with 1X daily to both FLL & MCO. As of 1/5/07, service will increase to 2X FLL, 2X MCO, & 1X P
82 DeltaDAWG: They could come and try ATL again? Spirit seems to be making a real go of ATL with service now to FLL, LAS, MCO and TPA. In all seriousness, if the SW
83 Flyinryan99: This probably has more to do with crew scheduling then it does with aircraft utilization. That's my guess.
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