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American Eagle's ATR Replacement When?  
User currently offlineMIAUA777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 45 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4474 times:

With ASA retiring their ATRs is there any word as to if AE will begin to retire theirs and replace them with jets?

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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4464 times:

American Eagle has no plans to replace the ATR's. The market they serve is ideal for a turbo prop. Placing a jet on those routes would be a loosing idea.


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User currently offlineWalter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4423 times:

i would like to see an EMB-170 or -190 or -195 that would look nice


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 2):
would like to see an EMB-170 or -190 or -195 that would look nice

...and keep dreaming. Americans pilot unions will never allow it.



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineWalter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4393 times:

yea your probably right


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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4393 times:

The ATR is the perfect plane for the markets it serves.

If anything, the replacement for those ATRs will be ATR-500s.

NS


User currently offlineWalter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4379 times:

so AE wouldn't want to switch to jets from props


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User currently onlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4359 times:

I really love the ATRs and one of my favorite parts of visiting SJU is to watch them and occasionally fly on them like I did this past August to SXM.

The condition of the ATR-72 back to SJU was less then ideal which lead me to think that an upgrade to the newer and quieter 500 versions might be in order.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26795 posts, RR: 75
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4350 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 3):
...and keep dreaming. Americans pilot unions will never allow it.

Sure they will, they will allow them to be flown in bare metal. AA has stated that it is their firm belief that 100 seat jets belong at mainline and that they likely should have held on to the 717s as opposed to the Fokkers, which ended up getting axed soon after. Further, Eagle is restricted, by AA's pilot contract, to 25 airplanes over 50 seats and no carrier flying as AmericanConnection may fly aircraft over 50 seats for any airline, not just AA. This is why Chautauqua had to pay AA contract fines when they initially flew the E170 for United and why they had to create Republic Airways group and purchase Shuttle America.

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 6):
so AE wouldn't want to switch to jets from props

Not if they are smart



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4350 times:

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 6):
so AE wouldn't want to switch to jets from props

On the market that AE flies the ATR no... jets would not work.



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineWalter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4333 times:

they mostly fly them into the caribbean right?


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4333 times:

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 10):
they mostly fly them into the caribbean right?

They only fly in the Caribbean. All short hauls...



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User currently offlineAtlaaron From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1028 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4310 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 11):
They only fly in the Caribbean. All short hauls...

Not true, I was recently on one from EYW-MIA.


User currently offlineWalter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4302 times:

thank you thats what i thought


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26795 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4293 times:

Quoting Atlaaron (Reply 12):
Not true, I was recently on one from EYW-MIA.

EYW is in the Carribean  Wink



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User currently offlineATLAaron From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1028 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4266 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 14):
EYW is in the Carribean

Since when?


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4254 times:

Quoting Atlaaron (Reply 12):
Not true, I was recently on one from EYW-MIA.

Key word here MIA....!!!!! They fly only out of MIA.....mainly to support the Caribbean market....... including Key West



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26795 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4254 times:

Quoting ATLAaron (Reply 15):
Since when?

Well, I guess technically they are in the Straits of Florida, but are part of AA's Carribean service.



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User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4225 times:

After the icing accident, people realized that the ATR isn't a cold weather machine, so they're stuck in south florida.

The 72's are really beat up right now- really a mess, hopefully they replace them one of these days...they are cheap as hell to operate though, I used to fuel them at JAX coming from MIA, they'd only use a few hundred pounds on the trip- cheapo.

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineFlyAAS80 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4179 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 9):

On the market that AE flies the ATR no... jets would not work.

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I completely agree that no jet could efficently work with the markets that the ATR-72 serves. I also believe that new ATR-72s is not the aircraft to replace the current ATRs. I flew an ATR-72 with AE operated by Exec. Airlines from MIA to RSW and they were asking for volunteers to be vanned to RSW. This has happened to me several times on ATR-72 flights I have taken out of MIA. What about replacing the ATR-72 with the Q400?

ATR-72
Max Cruise speed: 276kts
Max Takeoff weight: 22,000 kg

Q400
Max Cruise speed: 360 kts
Max Takeoff weight: 29,257 kg

Furthermore AE ATR-72s are flown under the AE name but actually operated by Exec. Airlines out of MIA and SJU. So who's decision is this really is this on the aircraft replacement. Does AE or AA own Exec. Airlines?



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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4593 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4180 times:

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 18):
After the icing accident, people realized that the ATR isn't a cold weather machine, so they're stuck in south florida.

Not true - CO flew ATRs out of EWR to lots of small and mid-sized cities in the Northeast year round without any incidents.


User currently offlineWalter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4166 times:

CO is also deciding to operate Q400's also out of EWR


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User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4152 times:

Quoting FlyAAS80 (Reply 19):
This has happened to me several times on ATR-72 flights I have taken out of MIA. What about replacing the ATR-72 with the Q400?

I was thinking the exact same thing.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21582 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4152 times:

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 18):
The 72's are really beat up right now- really a mess, hopefully they replace them one of these days...

In the late 70s AA was using piston aircraft out of SJU. I remember flying on a DC-something, and one of those flying metal boxcar planes as well. Sorry I don't know the name of those, but they were fun to look at. I wish I could be more specific, but I was 4 years old at the time...  Wink

Something tells me the ATRs will be hanging around for a while longer in SJU.



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User currently offlineKonrad From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 542 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4148 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 20):
Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 18):
After the icing accident, people realized that the ATR isn't a cold weather machine, so they're stuck in south florida.

Not true - CO flew ATRs out of EWR to lots of small and mid-sized cities in the Northeast year round without any incidents.

Same for Finnair. North of Helsinki gets much colder weather then EWR (though probably not as humid).


25 N1120A : The Q400, while more capable, is heavier and uses more fuel than the ATR. On the routes they are flown on, the ATR is pretty much the ideal aircraft
26 PSU.DTW.SCE : ATR72's were initially pulled from ORD for the first winter following the icing incident, but they did return to ORD for several more winters after th
27 FlyAAS80 : Thank you N1120A, I appreciate the information regarding ownership of Exec. Airlines. The Q400 on a sample fair of $100 has a break-even point of 35%
28 PSU.DTW.SCE : ATR72's were initially pulled from ORD for the first winter following the icing incident, but they did return to ORD for several more winters after th
29 Gigneil : They operate extensively from SJU as well. Maybe. The Q400 is a great craft, but the ATR72-500 has been HANDILY outselling it. N
30 Tangowhisky : Are they really? As I understand it, the Q400 is a newer design and is designed to go faster than the ATR-72. But the Q400's faster speed comes at a
31 CanadianNorth : Don't mean to get off topic, but I'll throw in the fact that First Air is currently operating a small fleet of ATR 42-300s out of northern Canada. I'
32 NASBWI : There was fabulous book I read a few years back called "Caribbean Props", which illustrated much of the flying going on down in the Caribbean (Puerto
33 Ikramerica : Either AA was flying DC3/4s down there or American Inter-Island Air was as well, because we flew on a DC-something with a tail gear. That was sloped
34 NASBWI : Definitely won't argue that! lol I had forgotten to mention that the book talked about airlines that operated within a certain time frame - I want to
35 LTBEWR : The ATR's are excellent for the Carribbean connections market for AA our of SJU. Most of the flights are less than 1 hour, they are excellent cargo ai
36 Access-Air : Well Maybe what you flew on was an Air BVI DC3????? Air BVI flew DC3s in that area to/from the Virgin Islands....the Only Piston engined planes that
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