N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 27937 posts, RR: 74
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4718 times:
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 3): ...and keep dreaming. Americans pilot unions will never allow it.
Sure they will, they will allow them to be flown in bare metal. AA has stated that it is their firm belief that 100 seat jets belong at mainline and that they likely should have held on to the 717s as opposed to the Fokkers, which ended up getting axed soon after. Further, Eagle is restricted, by AA's pilot contract, to 25 airplanes over 50 seats and no carrier flying as AmericanConnection may fly aircraft over 50 seats for any airline, not just AA. This is why Chautauqua had to pay AA contract fines when they initially flew the E170 for United and why they had to create Republic Airways group and purchase Shuttle America.
DeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4593 times:
After the icing accident, people realized that the ATR isn't a cold weather machine, so they're stuck in south florida.
The 72's are really beat up right now- really a mess, hopefully they replace them one of these days...they are cheap as hell to operate though, I used to fuel them at JAX coming from MIA, they'd only use a few hundred pounds on the trip- cheapo.
FlyAAS80 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4547 times:
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 9):
On the market that AE flies the ATR no... jets would not work.
I completely agree that no jet could efficently work with the markets that the ATR-72 serves. I also believe that new ATR-72s is not the aircraft to replace the current ATRs. I flew an ATR-72 with AE operated by Exec. Airlines from MIA to RSW and they were asking for volunteers to be vanned to RSW. This has happened to me several times on ATR-72 flights I have taken out of MIA. What about replacing the ATR-72 with the Q400?
Max Cruise speed: 276kts
Max Takeoff weight: 22,000 kg
Max Cruise speed: 360 kts
Max Takeoff weight: 29,257 kg
Furthermore AE ATR-72s are flown under the AE name but actually operated by Exec. Airlines out of MIA and SJU. So who's decision is this really is this on the aircraft replacement. Does AE or AA own Exec. Airlines?
The only way to fly is by the seat of your pants...
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21934 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4520 times:
Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 18): The 72's are really beat up right now- really a mess, hopefully they replace them one of these days...
In the late 70s AA was using piston aircraft out of SJU. I remember flying on a DC-something, and one of those flying metal boxcar planes as well. Sorry I don't know the name of those, but they were fun to look at. I wish I could be more specific, but I was 4 years old at the time...
Something tells me the ATRs will be hanging around for a while longer in SJU.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.