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FI: Gulfstream Developing "fat" G555  
User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 23741 times:

Good stuff!
http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...+longer-range+G550+variant+to.html

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A notional future product development chart revealed by Gulfstream at NBAA showed in vague terms an aircraft following the G500/G550 around 2009 and fitting above its current large-cabin, long-range aircraft. Industry sources say the company is working on a widebody with a 13,300km (7,200nm) range, compared with the G550's 12,500km at Mach 0.8.
A larger cabin and longer range would step up competition with Bombardier's Global Express and nar­row the gap between Gulf­stream's top-end aircraft and airliner-derived business jets.
R-R is believed to have been working with Gulfstream on the project since before mid-2005. The selected engine is thought to be a derivative of the BR710 with a larger diameter fan and hot-section improvements to generate 16,000-17,000lb thrust (71-75kN). The BR710 powers the G500/G550 and at its highest thrust rating produces 15,385lb for the G550.
The engine's 1.2m (48in) fan diameter is expected to increase to around 1.32m, and incorporate compressor improvements from the International Aero Engines V2500 Select development. The fan diameter of the 18,500-23,800lb-thrust BR715 powering the discontinued Boeing 717 is 1.47m.



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User currently offlineBoeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 23666 times:

Very intriuging.  scratchchin 

User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 23565 times:

Uhhh, it makes a reference to a "bigger" BR710. Wouldn't that just be a BR715?  Wink


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User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 23521 times:

Just a personal opinion, I think Gulfstream is out to trump the Dassault Falcon 7X. IIRC, the latter notched an impressive win in Europe with Netjets recently.


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User currently offlineBoeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 23486 times:

If this works out well, I think you may see the current 5xx series retired and replaced with the "widebody".

User currently offlineTomascubero From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2005, 525 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 23463 times:

Very interesting, I love Gulfstreams, they just never go out of date, many people see a G-II or G-III which can be over 20 years old and it still maintains a modern and elegant look. I have been inside a NetJets G-IV before and it is an awesome plane, imagine seeing this G555!

User currently offlineTangowhisky From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 905 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 23405 times:

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 4):
Just a personal opinion, I think Gulfstream is out to trump the Dassault Falcon 7X.

This plane is more about exceeding the GX. The GX has the same range as the G550, the F7X has less range, but the GX is a wider cabin. The 550 is also competing with BBJs and ACJs, but.....with over 7200nm range, and a nice wide cabin (probably width in-between the G550 and B737), the 650 will be a plane that is a class of its own. It will have the range of an A380. I wonder if they wil make it wider than the Lineage 1000/E190 or will it be similar?



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User currently offlineSkyexramper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 23380 times:

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 3):
think Gulfstream is out to trump the Dassault Falcon 7X

Dassault has nothing on Gulfstream, heck no one does. Gulfstream has been the the best manufacture of large purpose built airplanes for over almost 50yrs, 48 to be exact. It will be hard if even possible to dethrone the king of large cabin, ultra-long bizjets.


User currently offlineKSUpilot From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 23225 times:

I can't wait to see this aircraft. The Gulfstream is just an amazing family of aircraft.

The "Gulf XWB"  Smile


User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 23206 times:

BTW, the "G555" designation in the title of this thread is a typo; it should read "G550". However, maybe someone from Gulfstream will pick up on this and designate the "fat" G550 a G555?  Wink


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User currently offlineTangowhisky From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 905 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 23171 times:

Quoting KSUpilot (Reply 8):
maybe someone from Gulfstream will pick up on this and designate the "fat" G550 a G555?

Actually the designations comes from a rebranding strategy that happened a few years back. It was initially called the GV, as there was the GIV, etc. But they upgraded the GV at its midlife with more performance and new cockpit features and along with the previous acquisitions of the IAE Industries models which became part of the Gulfstream G150, etc., the GV was rebranded to G500, while the enhanced became G550. Since the Fat Boy will be an all new design, I would think it will have a designation of its own, perhaps G600, or G750-G800 (depicting range). They will most likely keep the current G550 in their product portfolio, while this all new model will definately tell the world that they own the upper end. I wonder if they are thinking of an airliner version for MaxJet or EOS?



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User currently offlineLitz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1754 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 23163 times:
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Quoting N328KF (Reply 2):
Uhhh, it makes a reference to a "bigger" BR710. Wouldn't that just be a BR715? {Wink}

well, to be fair, what they're describing isn't quite a -715 as it has slightly less thrust and a smaller diameter fan.

Considering the fan they're describing is almost halfway between a -710 and a -715, maybe they should call it the BR712.5 ...

 biggrin 

- litz


User currently offlineLimaNiner From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 22981 times:

Cool! I'll wait 'till the "G777", though -- or whatever they end up calling their supersonic machine.

Quoting Tangowhisky (Reply 10):
Since the Fat Boy will be an all new design, I would think it will have a designation of its own, perhaps G600, or G750-G800 (depicting range). They will most likely keep the current G550 in their product portfolio, while this all new model will definately tell the world that they own the upper end.

I'd imagine it'll be a G600, dropping the G500 in favor of the G550.

You can still get a GIV-SP, aka G450.


User currently offlineFlyMatt2Bermud From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 563 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 22951 times:

Quoting Skyexramper (Reply 7):
Dassault has nothing on Gulfstream, heck no one does. Gulfstream has been the the best manufacture of large purpose built airplanes for over almost 50yrs, 48 to be exact. It will be hard if even possible to dethrone the king of large cabin, ultra-long bizjets.

To be honest the manufacturer's are not too far apart, but Gulfstream continues to be number 1 in customer support and that is the bottom line. When people pay $45 Million for a corporate/personal jet A.O.G. is not acceptable.

If Bombardier improves their parts delivery/customer support as promised the race will continue.

Here is a photo of a Bombardier Global interior which is Gulfstream's wide body (design specific) competitor that they are intending to improve their market share against.
Big version: Width: 1536 Height: 2048 File size: 1418kb
Interior of a Global 5000.



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User currently offlineFlyMatt2Bermud From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 563 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 22771 times:

Quoting LimaNiner (Reply 12):
I'd imagine it'll be a G600, dropping the G500 in favor of the G550

Here is an interesting comparison. Note the similarity or dissimilarity to these Ultra Long Range Aircraft designators.

Boeing 737 (Business jet) executive version is BBJ1.
Dassault Falcon 900 is F900
Bombardier Global Express is GLEX.
Bombardier Global 5000 is GL5T.
Gulfstream Aerospace 550 is GLF5.

It's pretty obvious how the first letter is derived. Beyond that it almost appears the manufacturers are more closely related. Hmmmm???

Perhaps we could get Gulfstream to call their new wide body a G605! That would really confuse the air traffic controllers.



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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4995 posts, RR: 28
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 22706 times:

Quoting Tomascubero (Reply 5):
Very interesting, I love Gulfstreams, they just never go out of date, many people see a G-II or G-III which can be over 20 years old and it still maintains a modern and elegant look. I have been inside a NetJets G-IV before and it is an awesome plane, imagine seeing this G555!

I have been on BMW's GV, and was in awe. What a beauty! And their FA was even a nicer!!



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User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 22643 times:

Quoting FlyMatt2Bermud (Reply 13):
To be honest the manufacturer's are not too far apart, but Gulfstream continues to be number 1 in customer support and that is the bottom line

Just as an example of that, the other night at here, one of the based G550's had a hydraulic system part fail on startup for a flight to france. About 2 hours later an Astra arrived from SAV with the parts that were needed, the aircraft was fixed and departed shortly thereafter.


User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 22631 times:

Yes, the Global Express, at least initially, had fairly poor reliability and support, when compared with Gulfstream anyway.

Jimbo



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User currently offlineGh123 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 22614 times:

Quoting Tomascubero (Reply 5):
many people see a G-II or G-III which can be over 20 years old and it still maintains a modern and elegant look

 yes  checkmark 

Quoting Skyexramper (Reply 7):
Dassault has nothing on Gulfstream, heck no one does

 yes  checkmark 

Quoting KSUpilot (Reply 8):
I can't wait to see this aircraft. The Gulfstream is just an amazing family of aircraft

 yes   checkmark 


User currently offlineFlyMatt2Bermud From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 563 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 22588 times:

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 16):
Just as an example of that, the other night at here, one of the based G550's had a hydraulic system part fail on startup for a flight to France. About 2 hours later an Astra arrived from SAV with the parts that were needed, the aircraft was fixed and departed shortly thereafter.

And that type of support is what the owners expect and it is a testimonial of why Gulfstream support is #1.  checkmark 
Bombardier has alot of catching up to do.



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User currently offlineFlyMatt2Bermud From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 563 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 22588 times:

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 16):
the other night at here, one of the based G550's had a hydraulic system part fail on startup for a flight to france. About 2 hours later an Astra arrived from SAV with the parts that were needed, the aircraft was fixed and departed shortly thereafter.

I've often wondered why the airlines don't do that.



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User currently offlineRheinbote From Germany, joined May 2006, 1968 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 22559 times:

Quoting Lumberton (Thread starter):
R-R is believed to have been working with Gulfstream on the project since before mid-2005. The selected engine is thought to be a derivative of the BR710 with a larger diameter fan and hot-section improvements to generate 16,000-17,000lb thrust (71-75kN).

Would that by chance be the same engine Mitusbishi and RR have been talking about for the 70-90 seat MRJ regional jet proposed by Mitsubishi?


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8502 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 22526 times:

Quoting Skyexramper (Reply 7):
It will be hard if even possible to dethrone the king of large cabin, ultra-long bizjets.

I think Bombardier's already done that. The initial GLEX had a longer range and a larger cabin than the G-V, even though they shared the same engines. Gulfstream's customer support is legendary, though, the best in the business.


User currently offlineFlyMatt2Bermud From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 563 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 22345 times:

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 22):
I think Bombardier's already done that. The initial GLEX had a longer range and a larger cabin than the G-V, even though they shared the same engines. Gulfstream customer support is legendary, though, the best in the business.

But you can't just depend on a superior product, support plays a key role. The Global Express cabin is much larger. The Global Expresses runway performance numbers for takeoff and landing are far superior when compared mission to mission.



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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8502 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 22246 times:

Quoting FlyMatt2Bermud (Reply 23):
The Global Expresses runway performance numbers for takeoff and landing are far superior when compared mission to mission.

The Gulfstream wing is efficient and very elegant, but it's hard to beat having slats, like the GLEX does.


25 Gh123 : Wouldn't it be fair to say that the Dassault Falcon 7X doesn't have anything on G550 or a Global Express?! I suppose it is a smaller aircraft and yes
26 Tangowhisky : Getting back to the topic. Having the top place in customer support, developing excellent products, and the strong brand, I'd say Gulfstream will do w
27 Gh123 : Now wouldn't that be something special!
28 FlyMatt2Bermud : The time saving factor is the most common denominator of all decisions to purchase a jet. Reliability (w/customer support) is big, bad to show up Tue
29 Tangowhisky : I was thinking of companies like PrivatAir who fly wet leases on behalf of airlines like LH with ACJs and BBJs. The G650 will probably be wide enough
30 Bond007 : Right, but that size of CRJ is mainly defunct now, right? I'm still not convinced that this market is very big (and perhaps that's OK with Gulfstream
31 Gh123 : This is all good and well but it misses the reality of flying on business. You see many people realise that they need to fly with airlines which prov
32 Bond007 : I think these 'business people' couldn't give a damn about Frequent Flyer programs. FF programs are fine for those of us who cannot afford to pay $50
33 Tangowhisky : If you take a PrivatAir flight, it is flown and operated by PrivatAir crew, BUT the service and miles is actually Lufthansa or Swiss (depending on th
34 EI321 : Also likely that they want a slice from the lower end of the ACJ/BBJ market
35 FlyMatt2Bermud : We'll don't be so sure. My boss thinks I should give my earned frequent flyer tickets to him. Though he probably does not "give a damn" about how man
36 Tangowhisky : Thanks for the kind words FlyMatt2Bermud. Maybe someday there will be a need for a commercial airliner that has ultra long legs and able to carry only
37 FlyMatt2Bermud : You've made some interesting points from your observations. Someone in the know asked me if I had heard anything about Bombardier's plan for a Global
38 Tangowhisky : Well, if Gulfstream is going ahead with the G650, Bombardier may be hard pressed to launch an all new ultra-long range model. The GXRS fuselage diame
39 FlyMatt2Bermud : I don't know much about the Global 7000 but I have heard two people mention it. Gulfstream is known for being on top of their game and they do a grea
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