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Air NZ AKL-SFO Service, Daily?  
User currently offlineNZ748 From New Zealand, joined Sep 2006, 34 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4676 times:

Can someone shed some light on this information for me...

The following is a media release from http://www.airnz.co.nz/aboutus/mediacentre/pressreleases/default.htm.

Air New Zealand moves to a daily San Francisco service

1 February 2006

Air New Zealand will offer a daily service to San Francisco from 5 June.

First introduced with a frequency of three non-stop services a week between Auckland and San Francisco in June 2004, the popularity of the route resulted in services being doubled to six times weekly less than six months later.

Group General Manager Marketing Network & Sales Norm Thompson said the move to daily services was a clear reflection of the popularity of not only San Francisco as a destination but also of the desire of New Zealanders to have a second gateway into the United States and beyond.

"A daily service to Auckland from San Francisco will also support the inbound tourism market by offering visitors from Europe and North America more choice.

Our code share partnerships with United Airlines, Lufthansa and Air Canada make travel beyond San Francisco an easy and popular option," said Mr Thompson.

The timing of Air New Zealand's Auckland - San Francisco services (local times) are as follows:

Depart Auckland 7.15 pm Arrive San Francisco 11.30 am (same day)

Depart San Francisco 9.30 pm Arrive Auckland 5.30 am (plus 2 days)

Services will be operated using a mix of the new B777-200 aircraft and refitted B747-400 aircraft.


Here is the problem:
I'm planning to fly AKL-SFO on Mon 6th of November, and when I went to look for the schedules, noticed that Air NZ still only fly 6 services per week AKL-SFO...

Was there ever a daily service? If so why is it back to 6 services a week?

If there weren't then, why isn't there daily services?

Cheers for your anwers.


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User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4630 times:

Quoting NZ748 (Thread starter):
I'm planning to fly AKL-SFO on Mon 6th of November, and when I went to look for the schedules, noticed that Air NZ still only fly 6 services per week AKL-SFO...

Was there ever a daily service? If so why is it back to 6 services a week?

If there weren't then, why isn't there daily services?

Yes, there was and currently is daily service. But, they are cutting the Monday flights for a month or two in November and December. Then it will go back to daily.

Not sure of the reasoning but maybe maintenance on the 777s or lack of demand.



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User currently offlineNz748 From New Zealand, joined Sep 2006, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4602 times:

Quoting Legacyins (Reply 1):
Not sure of the reasoning but maybe maintenance on the 777s or lack of demand.

But it's not like they have a shortage of 744 planes at the moment...

So it looks likely to be lack of demand.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4502 times:
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I'm surprised by a possible lack of demand during Christmas, with the x-mas 'rush hour'. Would have thought there would be a lack of demand during the middle of the year

User currently offlineNz748 From New Zealand, joined Sep 2006, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4314 times:

Yes that's exactly what I thought. I have heard that October and November are traditionally quiet months at AirNZ (long haul), however not sure why the demand in December is down...


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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5297 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4147 times:

In December it is back to daily, in November Thursdays and Saturdays are scheduled as 744's and then in December January there are 3-4 weekly 744's depending on the week and 772's on the other days. Rumour is that SFO may move to a daily 744 year round. Premium demand is good from what I hear.

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4076 times:
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Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 5):
Rumour is that SFO may move to a daily 744 year round. Premium demand is good from what I hear.

If so, where would the B772s go?


User currently offlineZKNBX From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3989 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 6):
If so, where would the B772s go?

Good question. After the routes they bought them for... AKL-SIN, AKL-PPT-LAX, AKL-HKG in particular, are now out . SIN has been dropped, and HKG is now 744 (with the new AKL-HKG-LHR return daily service). PPT-LAX is being suspended, and rumour is that KIX will be dropped soon too.

Maybe daily PVG, maybe AKl-PVG-MUC, maybe other route additions that we know nothing about...


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3940 times:
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Quoting ZKNBX (Reply 7):

Well there has been talk of new routes, like South America, so B772s would be used on those new routes, if the leasing deal for the B744s don't go ahead then new routes will be needed for those.

I'm suspecting that both NZ and FJ will reduce capicity on the AKL-NAN and code-share on each others flights, maybe put on bigger aircraft to help maintain the 'old' frequency. Where would FJ and NZ send those B737s and A320s then? Maybe open up new short haul routes, maybe FJ would again operate WLG-NAN or CHC-NAN!

Just hope NZs plans for new routes impress us


User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3920 times:

Any chance new routings are started out of SFO...possibly new pacific routes or continuations to Eastern US cities or Europe??? Sounds like the SFO route is doing very well.

-Copa


User currently offlineTeamspeedy From Australia, joined Aug 2006, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3908 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 5):
Rumour is that SFO may move to a daily 744 year round

damm i booked a flight out of SFO -AKL to experience the 777.  Sad



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8544 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3875 times:
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Quoting 777ER (Reply 8):
Well there has been talk of new routes, like South America, so B772s would be used on those new routes, if the leasing deal for the B744s don't go ahead then new routes will be needed for those.

wouldn't the 777s have lengthy detours under current ETOPS rules ?



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3869 times:
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Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 11):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 8):
Well there has been talk of new routes, like South America, so B772s would be used on those new routes, if the leasing deal for the B744s don't go ahead then new routes will be needed for those.

wouldn't the 777s have lengthy detours under current ETOPS rules ?

Due to ETOPS the B777s would yes, but I also used the B744s in that sentence also. B744s would be used for South America.


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5297 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3814 times:

Quoting Teamspeedy (Reply 10):

damm i booked a flight out of SFO -AKL to experience the 777. Sad

It's a rumour at this stage but the route is doing really well and from what I hear needs particularly additional premium seats.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 6):
If so, where would the B772s go?

I'd say daily PVG, a European route (FRA) most likely or MAN via maybe KUL 3x weekly initially, a return to a couple of routes like BKK and ICN 3x weekly. There are several routes that seem to be doing the rounds, if they were to go to South Africa or South America then 744's would be used, then India and YVR probably 1 stop 772's.

Quoting ZKNBX (Reply 7):
and rumour is that KIX will be dropped soon too.

Wouldn't surprise me from what i've been hearing lately.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 8):
I'm suspecting that both NZ and FJ will reduce capicity on the AKL-NAN and code-share on each others flights, maybe put on bigger aircraft to help maintain the 'old' frequency.

I agree possibly 3 daily flights between them with larger aircraft on peak days like they do now, and maybe a weekly NZ flight to SUV to go with FJ's 2-3 weekly?


User currently offlineGayrugbyMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1737 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3647 times:

MAN desparately needs a west coast USA service, and a 2/3 times a week service down under could also be sustained.

Air NZ coming to MAN was rumoured to be a almost a done deal a year or so ago, then they decided to up the London services, but maybe we'll see some movement on it soon.


User currently onlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7088 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3551 times:

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 14):
Air NZ coming to MAN was rumoured to be a almost a done deal a year or so ago, then they decided to up the London services, but maybe we'll see some movement on it soon.

I heard that too, but only because they were having trouble getting additional slots into LHR. :-S


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