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DL To End BDL-LAS  
User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 442 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4920 times:

DL will be ending BDL-LAS service on November 29. I thought this flight was doing well? Is it just seasonal?

DL has really pulled back at BDL in the last year, ending service to SLC, LAS and RSW, and reducing service to almost every other destinational. The LAX flight was pulled down from song's 5x weekly 752 in May to a daily 738 over the summer, to 4x weekly on a 738. I hope that route lasts a little while longer...

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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4917 times:

Quoting HVNandrew (Thread starter):
Is it just seasonal?

No, It was year round. WN probably kicked their butts on the route. It sadly doesnt suprise me. But the route really diddnt get much publicity up here in W.Mass.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4834 times:

BDL-LAX will be daily again by year's end.


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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5844 posts, RR: 28
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4829 times:

There seems to be a pullback by the legacies from these LAS routes recently. NW this weekend is ending flights to LAS from Madison, Grand Rapids, Des Moines, and Fargo. The legacy carriers are probably finding better uses of the equipment elsewhere, instead leaving the lower yield routes to the LCCs.


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User currently offlineR311music From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4811 times:

Seems very familar to what happened in MCO not too long ago. Legacies realizing that instead of fighting the LCC's for low yield markets, go after more lucratrive markets where travelers will pay more.


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User currently offlineCharliejag1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4753 times:

One man's trash is another's treasure. Maybe we (US) will see enough of a rise in bdl traffic to think about another flight. . .

User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4654 times:

Quoting Charliejag1 (Reply 5):
One man's trash is another's treasure. Maybe we (US) will see enough of a rise in bdl traffic to think about another flight. . .

It's not like you (US) aren't competing on a few hundred routes with WN as is  Wink .

Quoting HVNandrew (Thread starter):
DL has really pulled back at BDL in the last year, ending service to SLC, LAS and RSW, and reducing service to almost every other destinational. T

Hello, they are in CH11, they have reduced service at all domestic stations including CVG/ except the other hubs.


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3420 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4556 times:

AA is further scaling back it's BDL-ORD service from 6X ER4's to 5X ERD's effective 12/15/06.

It seems both AA and DL have hit New England markets (except BOS) fairly hard this year...


User currently offlineBoeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4517 times:

At least WN still provides nonstop service to LAS, so the route itself will not go away.


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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4490 times:

As for LAX, the DL build up at LAX will probably help it in the long term


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User currently offlineBDL2DCA From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4310 times:

I always thought that this service was odd. Yes, DL has a loyal following in CT, but come on? This is a point-to-point leisure route.

SLC was started and stopped pretty quickly. Since there are very few places in the DL system you cannot get via ATL, SLC was probably gratuitous.

The biggest decreases have been in seats, as DL no longer flies a couple 767s in every day.



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4717 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4255 times:

Quoting BDL2DCA (Reply 10):
The biggest decreases have been in seats, as DL no longer flies a couple 767s in every day.

Heck, they dont even get 757s anymore either...



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User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3222 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4242 times:

Ah, remember the days of the DL L10's into BDL?


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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4216 times:

Quoting Zrs70 (Reply 12):
Ah, remember the days of the DL L10's into BDL?

Yea, Flying BDL-BOS-BDA



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User currently offlineSkyvanMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4045 times:

BDL-LAX doesn't seem like there would be a rreason to stop it since the flights aredoing well, at least htat is what it seems when I look at seats available. I've booked a RT for Thanksgiving time and so I know it will still be operating then.


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User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3943 times:

Quoting SkyvanMan (Reply 14):
BDL-LAX

This actually was one of my favorite flights that I have ever been on, when it was still operated by song.



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User currently offlineSkyvanMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3875 times:

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 15):

This actually was one of my favorite flights that I have ever been on, when it was still operated by song.

Sadly the idiots at Delta decided to end Song and therefore end the 757's on this route. I think Delta was stupid to cancel Song and I did not previously know that Song had operated this route until this thread and I feel that it reinforces why Delta should've kept Song.



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User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3809 times:

Quoting SkyvanMan (Reply 16):
Sadly the idiots at Delta decided to end Song and therefore end the 757's on this route. I think Delta was stupid to cancel Song and I did not previously know that Song had operated this route until this thread and I feel that it reinforces why Delta should've kept Song.

How does it reinforce your point that DL should have kept song? DL is still operating the route, and it looks like they don't have any intention of stopping it.

song didn't have a first class, which was, IMO, a real problem, especially on their transcon routes.


User currently offlineSkyvanMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3804 times:

It reinforces my point becuase the flights have high load factors now and it seems that a larger aircraft would definitely lead to an increase in pax on this route, if SOng was still on that route at say 2x daily, It seems it would definitely be able to sell well. I believe that Song provided much better service transcon than Delta mainline does espcially in terms of IFE.


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User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3715 times:

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Quoting SkyvanMan (Reply 18):
It reinforces my point becuase the flights have high load factors now and it seems that a larger aircraft would definitely lead to an increase in pax on this route, if SOng was still on that route at say 2x daily, It seems it would definitely be able to sell well. I believe that Song provided much better service transcon than Delta mainline does espcially in terms of IFE.

Well, song was only on that route 5x weekly, not even close to 2x a day...

DL's new mid-long range domestic mainline product will be an improvement on song. This was announced way back when they first announced the folding of song, and has already been implimented.


User currently offlineFjnovak1 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 612 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3697 times:

I really enjoyed the nonstop BDL-LAX flight on song, even though i took it just once....maybe the reason i enjoyed it was i had a whole row outbound on a Fri. night, and a middle seat open on the Sun. night redeye. That said, maybe a 738 was a better choice for the route.


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User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 3616 times:

Quoting Fjnovak1 (Reply 20):
738 was a better choice

I won't take this flight again until they install the PTV's to the 738's.



"Why does a slight tax increase cost you $200 and a substantial tax cut save you 30 cents?"
User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3524 times:

Quoting SkyvanMan (Reply 18):
It reinforces my point becuase the flights have high load factors now and it seems that a larger aircraft would definitely lead to an increase in pax on this route, if SOng was still on that route at say 2x daily, It seems it would definitely be able to sell well.

Yes, on $79 fares that would make both flights bleed money, brilliant plan  Yeah sure .

Quoting SkyvanMan (Reply 18):
I believe that Song provided much better service transcon than Delta mainline does espcially in terms of IFE.

Um, have you actually followed news about Delta in recent months? Delta is introducing the Song features on all transcons, in case you haven't noticed.


User currently offlineBDL2DCA From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3495 times:

Quoting SkyvanMan (Reply 18):
the flights have high load factors now and it seems that a larger aircraft would definitely lead to an increase in pax

According to Faremeasure.com:
On average, 342 passengers travel the 2,527 miles between Hartford, CT/Springfield, MA and Los Angeles, CA each day.

Since DL is never going to get 100% of the market, having a 1x daily nonstop will capture those people who are time sensitive and plan around the nonstop. Any more than that, and DL would be flying empty seats around.

The 738 seems to be the perfect plane for this route. It handles about 50% of the daily O&D capacity, and puts DL in a premium position in Hartford because if you're a Hartford-based business person and you're flying between BDL and LAX a lot, you are going to choose DL over most other carriers for the nonstop.

Everyone else can connect in one of the many hubs that are on the way from BDL to LAX like they have for years (with the exception of when AA also ran a 738 on this route).



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User currently offlineCs03 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 413 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3487 times:
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Pulling BDL/SLC quickly was a surprise! People from here in Vermont that ski in Utah thought the service was great, and when I traveled BDL/SLC/BDL in late February/early March the 738 was about 70-80% full both ways. Outbound many people were connecting to the mid-day DL service to HNL.

25 Eric777 : Maybe they can reinstate the BDL-SLC service with this aircraft. Just some wishful thinking.
26 BDL2DCA : I think that is the issue with SLC service. It was probably just duplicating a lot of connecting opportunities that could be handled via CVG, ATL or
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