HVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 405 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3478 times:
DL will be ending BDL-LAS service on November 29. I thought this flight was doing well? Is it just seasonal?
DL has really pulled back at BDL in the last year, ending service to SLC, LAS and RSW, and reducing service to almost every other destinational. The LAX flight was pulled down from song's 5x weekly 752 in May to a daily 738 over the summer, to 4x weekly on a 738. I hope that route lasts a little while longer...
No, It was year round. WN probably kicked their butts on the route. It sadly doesnt suprise me. But the route really diddnt get much publicity up here in W.Mass.
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FATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5667 posts, RR: 17 Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day ago) and read 3387 times:
There seems to be a pullback by the legacies from these LAS routes recently. NW this weekend is ending flights to LAS from Madison, Grand Rapids, Des Moines, and Fargo. The legacy carriers are probably finding better uses of the equipment elsewhere, instead leaving the lower yield routes to the LCCs.
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R311music From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 105 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day ago) and read 3369 times:
Seems very familar to what happened in MCO not too long ago. Legacies realizing that instead of fighting the LCC's for low yield markets, go after more lucratrive markets where travelers will pay more.
DAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 50 Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 3212 times:
Quoting Charliejag1 (Reply 5): One man's trash is another's treasure. Maybe we (US) will see enough of a rise in bdl traffic to think about another flight. . .
It's not like you (US) aren't competing on a few hundred routes with WN as is .
Quoting HVNandrew (Thread starter): DL has really pulled back at BDL in the last year, ending service to SLC, LAS and RSW, and reducing service to almost every other destinational. T
Hello, they are in CH11, they have reduced service at all domestic stations including CVG/ except the other hubs.
SkyvanMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 224 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 8 hours ago) and read 2603 times:
BDL-LAX doesn't seem like there would be a rreason to stop it since the flights aredoing well, at least htat is what it seems when I look at seats available. I've booked a RT for Thanksgiving time and so I know it will still be operating then.
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SkyvanMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 224 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 6 hours ago) and read 2433 times:
Quoting Boston92 (Reply 15):
This actually was one of my favorite flights that I have ever been on, when it was still operated by song.
Sadly the idiots at Delta decided to end Song and therefore end the 757's on this route. I think Delta was stupid to cancel Song and I did not previously know that Song had operated this route until this thread and I feel that it reinforces why Delta should've kept Song.
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HVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 405 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 4 hours ago) and read 2367 times:
Quoting SkyvanMan (Reply 16): Sadly the idiots at Delta decided to end Song and therefore end the 757's on this route. I think Delta was stupid to cancel Song and I did not previously know that Song had operated this route until this thread and I feel that it reinforces why Delta should've kept Song.
How does it reinforce your point that DL should have kept song? DL is still operating the route, and it looks like they don't have any intention of stopping it.
song didn't have a first class, which was, IMO, a real problem, especially on their transcon routes.
SkyvanMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 224 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 4 hours ago) and read 2362 times:
It reinforces my point becuase the flights have high load factors now and it seems that a larger aircraft would definitely lead to an increase in pax on this route, if SOng was still on that route at say 2x daily, It seems it would definitely be able to sell well. I believe that Song provided much better service transcon than Delta mainline does espcially in terms of IFE.
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HVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 405 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 3 hours ago) and read 2273 times:
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Quoting SkyvanMan (Reply 18): It reinforces my point becuase the flights have high load factors now and it seems that a larger aircraft would definitely lead to an increase in pax on this route, if SOng was still on that route at say 2x daily, It seems it would definitely be able to sell well. I believe that Song provided much better service transcon than Delta mainline does espcially in terms of IFE.
Well, song was only on that route 5x weekly, not even close to 2x a day...
DL's new mid-long range domestic mainline product will be an improvement on song. This was announced way back when they first announced the folding of song, and has already been implimented.
Fjnovak1 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 582 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 3 hours ago) and read 2255 times:
I really enjoyed the nonstop BDL-LAX flight on song, even though i took it just once....maybe the reason i enjoyed it was i had a whole row outbound on a Fri. night, and a middle seat open on the Sun. night redeye. That said, maybe a 738 was a better choice for the route.
DAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 50 Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2082 times:
Quoting SkyvanMan (Reply 18): It reinforces my point becuase the flights have high load factors now and it seems that a larger aircraft would definitely lead to an increase in pax on this route, if SOng was still on that route at say 2x daily, It seems it would definitely be able to sell well.
Yes, on $79 fares that would make both flights bleed money, brilliant plan .
Quoting SkyvanMan (Reply 18): I believe that Song provided much better service transcon than Delta mainline does espcially in terms of IFE.
Um, have you actually followed news about Delta in recent months? Delta is introducing the Song features on all transcons, in case you haven't noticed.
BDL2DCA From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 313 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2053 times:
Quoting SkyvanMan (Reply 18): the flights have high load factors now and it seems that a larger aircraft would definitely lead to an increase in pax
According to Faremeasure.com:
On average, 342 passengers travel the 2,527 miles between Hartford, CT/Springfield, MA and Los Angeles, CA each day.
Since DL is never going to get 100% of the market, having a 1x daily nonstop will capture those people who are time sensitive and plan around the nonstop. Any more than that, and DL would be flying empty seats around.
The 738 seems to be the perfect plane for this route. It handles about 50% of the daily O&D capacity, and puts DL in a premium position in Hartford because if you're a Hartford-based business person and you're flying between BDL and LAX a lot, you are going to choose DL over most other carriers for the nonstop.
Everyone else can connect in one of the many hubs that are on the way from BDL to LAX like they have for years (with the exception of when AA also ran a 738 on this route).
Cs03 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 408 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2045 times:
Pulling BDL/SLC quickly was a surprise! People from here in Vermont that ski in Utah thought the service was great, and when I traveled BDL/SLC/BDL in late February/early March the 738 was about 70-80% full both ways. Outbound many people were connecting to the mid-day DL service to HNL.
25 Eric777: Maybe they can reinstate the BDL-SLC service with this aircraft. Just some wishful thinking.
26 BDL2DCA: I think that is the issue with SLC service. It was probably just duplicating a lot of connecting opportunities that could be handled via CVG, ATL or
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