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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7600 posts, RR: 24
Posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3101 times:

The recent thread about load factors from LAX-HKG on CX reminded me to ask about load factors from LAX-TPE on the various airlines. I know China Airlines, Eva Air, Singapore Airlines, and Malaysia Airlines all operate Nonstops from LAX-TPE.

My questions are:

1) How do the loads on the route vary by airline if they do at all?

2) Is LAX-TPE a mostly seasonal route?

3) How do load factors on LAX-TPE compare with SFO-TPE on CI and BR?

Ive always wondered how Los Angeles was able to support so much traffic to one city. I have always thought either SQ or MH should shift their "through" flight through another Asian city that doesnt have any/as much service to LAX.

What is everybody's thoughts on it? Any insight would be great.


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User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3070 times:

I'm sure they have no problem finding a few hundred people to fill the seats to Taipei. After all it is a gateway to many other Asian cities. In fact I think TPE has the most flights out of any Asian city from LAX. If you have ever seen the midnight Asian departures, there can be as many as 4 aircraft that depart back to back and all going to TPE.

User currently offlineSpyderz From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3052 times:

Well the usual data source I use for finding this information only had SQ providing information, so I had to delve into another public data source (T-100) to provide you with information. I'll simply present the load factors for the various airlines in 2005 by month for the LAX-TPE route. I'll let you make any conclusions you wish to make. Additionally, let me state that all this data was obtained through public access databases.

LAX-TPE (2005)

Jan
BR 90%
CI 89%
CX 72%
MH 76%
SQ 83%

Feb
BR 85%
CI 75%
CX 72%
MH 78%
SQ 73%

Mar
BR 88%
CI 80%
CX 83%
MH 72%
SQ 71%

Apr
BR 89%
CI 82%
CX 79%
MH 81%
SQ 74%

May
BR 90%
CI 90%
MH 77%
SQ 78%

Jun
BR 90%
CI 88%
MH 82%
SQ 85%

July
BR 89%
CI 84%
MH 88%
SQ 88%

Aug
BR 91%
CI 84%
MH 84%
SQ 87%

Sep
BR 75%
CI 73%
MH 66%
SQ 70%

Oct
BR 78%
CI 78%
MH 65%
SQ 65%

Nov
BR 83%
CI 81%
CX 78%
MH 69%
SQ 67%

Dec
BR 83%
CI 93%
CX 78%
MH 75%
SQ 75%


Hope this answers your questions.


User currently offlineEchster From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 399 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3049 times:

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 1):
If you have ever seen the midnight Asian departures, there can be as many as 4 aircraft that depart back to back and all going to TPE.

Not a big deal as most nights it's 4 but it occassionally has 5 when BR flies 2 aircraft. I think they're BR1, BR15, CI7, SQ29, and MAS95.

I fly BR on this route 3-5 times a year and the aircraft have always been full. It didn't matter if it was a B744, B744 combi, B773ER, afternoon flight, after midnight flight, any day of any month. F, C, and Y+ filled to the max. There were several times this summer on the afternoon flight every seat was filled and staff was looking for Y+ pax to volunteer to bump from a B744 to the midnight B773ER with an upgrade to C.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7600 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3029 times:

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 1):
Hope this answers your questions.

Yes, Perfect!!!



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User currently offlineShanderawx From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3017 times:
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Aren't there more flights into Narita than TPE from LAX? It seems many carriers go to Narita.

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7600 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3006 times:

Quoting Shanderawx (Reply 5):
Aren't there more flights into Narita than TPE from LAX? It seems many carriers go to Narita.

Yes, to NRT there is: NW, AA, UA, JL, NH, KE, and SQ. I might even be missing one. I think at any given time in the year, there are between 8 and 10 flights between LAX and NRT a day.



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User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2954 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2934 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 6):
Yes, to NRT there is: NW, AA, UA, JL, NH, KE, and SQ. I might even be missing one. I think at any given time in the year, there are between 8 and 10 flights between LAX and NRT a day.

All are one single daily flights except JL has one extra weekly on Sat.
Therefore, 7 daily + one weekly for 50 weekly flights.
Remarkably this is one route that has lost frequency in recent years, as TG, MH, RG used to be on this route and UA, NW, JL had more flights previously.


User currently offlineChiawei From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 944 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2923 times:

depends on the day. BR actually has 2 to 3 flights a day from LAX to TPE.

BR 1 (1,3,4,6,7), BR 11 (daily except wed), BR15 (daily) 777


User currently offlineMas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2935 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2758 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Thread starter):
MH should shift their "through" flight through another Asian city that doesnt have any/as much service to LAX.

yes - but MAS only has traffic rights via TPE and restricted rights via NRT for LAX - so although MAS would love to change its operations - this may not be as easy as thought.

When MAS operated KUL-TPE-LAX-MEX to try to improve its profitability on this route - the US govt withdrew MAS' LAX-MEX traffic rights...

IMO - should MAS continue heading towards admission into Skyteam - we may well see ICN being used as a transit hub for routes to North America and perhaps other East Asian cities also via code-shares. Remember - Malaysia Airlines and Northwest Airlines still have US approved anti-trust immunity, which is still yet to be exercised.


User currently offlineKanebear From United States of America, joined May 2002, 953 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2641 times:

Even when the rest of the plane has space, BR is CONSTANTLY full in J. Going through Sabre searching availability it never ceases to amaze me. BR will be full in J from EVERY US GATEWAY for days and sometimes weeks. I've even tried doing direct connect queries to their system and they come back no different. So either they hold back J to sell themselves or they are consistently packed in biz.

User currently offlineVincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2606 times:

Quoting Echster (Reply 3):
I fly BR on this route 3-5 times a year and the aircraft have always been full. It didn't matter if it was a B744, B744 combi, B773ER, afternoon flight, after midnight flight, any day of any month. F, C, and Y+ filled to the max. There were several times this summer on the afternoon flight every seat was filled and staff was looking for Y+ pax to volunteer to bump from a B744 to the midnight B773ER with an upgrade to C.

I was wondering why BR couldn't make BR11 daily, this flight was created so the early evening flight out of TPE (the more popular option for TPE-LAX sector) can turn around right away w/o parking at LAX all day, BR11 is usually cheaper, thus popular for vacationers going to BKK and HKG (I'm amazed at the number of transit passengers on this flight). I prefer this flight to TPE since I can go to bed after arrival and start next day fresh.

There's definitely a market for A380 as both CI and BR can operate double daily A380 on this route.


User currently offlineAlexchao From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 688 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2509 times:

Quoting Vincewy (Reply 11):
I was wondering why BR couldn't make BR11 daily, this flight was created so the early evening flight out of TPE (the more popular option for TPE-LAX sector) can turn around right away w/o parking at LAX all day, BR11 is usually cheaper, thus popular for vacationers going to BKK and HKG (I'm amazed at the number of transit passengers on this flight). I prefer this flight to TPE since I can go to bed after arrival and start next day fresh.

There's definitely a market for A380 as both CI and BR can operate double daily A380 on this route.

I also prefer the BR11 afternoon departure from LAX. However, the other flights provide easier connections to other Asian destinations that have limited flight frequency.

Although there's the potential market for BR and CI to operate the A380 on TPE-LAX, it's the last thing I want to see until LAX renovates TBIT completely. A 747 already uses two carousels at baggage claim. An A380 would easily make that three.


User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2411 times:

I flew SQ29 LAX-TPE-SIN in August, and the flight was probably 99% full ... I would estimate, however, that about 75% of the passengers continued on to SIN. I don';t know how that fits into the equation, but it's probably a factor.


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User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8016 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2399 times:

The Los Angeles area has a very large ex-patriate Taiwanese population, hence the reason why so many flights from LAX to TPE. Indeed, in many Asian neighborhoods it might as well be "Little Taipei."

[Edited 2006-10-26 17:36:27]

User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4017 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2236 times:
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Quoting Spyderz (Reply 2):

Thankyou Spyderz for posting the average load factors. It was interesting to see the differences. It seems like BR is the airline of choice to TPE. Is it like that on all their US gateways?

I'm interested in seeing average load factors to NRT etc.. Where do you find this information? Who's is #1 to NRT? SQ, JL..?

LACA773


User currently offlineVincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2188 times:

Quoting Ssides (Reply 13):
I flew SQ29 LAX-TPE-SIN in August, and the flight was probably 99% full ... I would estimate, however, that about 75% of the passengers continued on to SIN. I don';t know how that fits into the equation, but it's probably a factor.

Before the birth of BR, SQ was making a killing on TPE-LAX run during the 80s and 90s, I flew with them as a child, I'd say 95% of passengers got off at TPE, with MH and BR entering TPE-LAX markets, passengers have more options and demands for SQ's flights have diminished (it's still great BTW). Nowadays this sector for SQ is catering to passengers to other parts of Asia, I'm sure both MH and SQ would love to reroute through PVG if they had the chance.


User currently offlineSpyderz From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2056 times:

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 15):
I'm interested in seeing average load factors to NRT etc.. Where do you find this information? Who's is #1 to NRT? SQ, JL..?

Ask and ye shall receive.

According to 2005 DOT T-100 data the average yearly load factors and market share for operators on the route are:

Load Factor:
AA - 75.89%
JL - 76.92%
KE - 75.84%
NH - 78.14%
NW - 89.50%
RG - 64.07%
SQ - 68.10%
UA - 82.90%

Market Share (in terms of passengers):
AA - 8.90%
JL - 17.86%
KE - 12.75%
NH - 10.36%
NW - 16.30%
RG - 4.97%
SQ - 12.81%
UA - 16.06%

Seems like a highly competitve route with little consolidation.

Hopefully it helps.


User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4017 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1970 times:
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Quoting Spyderz (Reply 17):
Ask and ye shall receive.

According to 2005 DOT T-100 data the average yearly load factors and market share for operators on the route are:

Spyderz,

Wow! Thanks for the information. It's very interesting to see that NW & UA have the highest low factors and market share! I thought NH, & JL would have the highest load factors and market share with all the travelers orignating in Japan. I bet it safe to guess NW & UA have such a large market share and load factors with the code shares they have and connecting passengers.

How's SQ doing on their nonstop to SIN? Are their load factors better than what they have on their NRT & TPE through flights?

LACA773


User currently offlineMCOGVADCA From China, joined Oct 2006, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1824 times:

great info!

Though I've flown BR and CI a number of times, my business stays with SQ, so thats why in february my ticket reads from 'north platform' to luoshanji...



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