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US To Resume MIA-PHX And MIA-PIT  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33281 posts, RR: 71
Posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6808 times:

Not very surprisingly, US/HP's suspenion of MIA-PHX did not last long, and neither did the Miami-Pittsburgh suspension. Daily service on Miami-Phoenix and Miami-Pittsburgh resumes 3 January 2007:

US 1163 PHX 1600-2159 MIA 319 Daily
US 1163 MIA 0715-1010 PHX 319 Daily

US 1695 PIT 0845-1133 MIA 733 Daily
US 1698 MIA 1225-1504 PIT 733 Daily

Nice to see US Airways reverse on their plan to end both routes.


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User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6699 times:

Yeah I could not understand why it happened in the first place! lol The route was always full. Good news indeed!

User currently offlineTooluther From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 306 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6580 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Daily service on Miami-Phoenix and Miami-Pittsburgh resumes 3 January 2007:

Great, now I can fly to Miami the DAY AFTER the Orange Bowl to see Clemson play there.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33281 posts, RR: 71
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6441 times:

Quoting Flyboyaz (Reply 1):
Yeah I could not understand why it happened in the first place! lol The route was always full. Good news indeed!

I have a feeling the suspension had more to do with aircraft allocation issues than anything else. Also, FLL-PHX goes 2x daily again this winter.



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User currently offlineJfrworld From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 365 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6438 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Not very surprisingly, US/HP's suspenion of MIA-PHX did not last long, and neither did the Miami-Pittsburgh suspension. Daily service on Miami-Phoenix and Miami-Pittsburgh resumes 3 January 2007:

US 1163 PHX 1600-2159 MIA 319 Daily
US 1163 MIA 0715-1010 PHX 319 Daily

US 1695 PIT 0845-1133 MIA 733 Daily
US 1698 MIA 1225-1504 PIT 733 Daily

Nice to see US Airways reverse on their plan to end both routes.

Will PHX-MIA be on US West equipment?


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33281 posts, RR: 71
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6429 times:

Quoting Jfrworld (Reply 4):
Will PHX-MIA be on US West equipment?

US East A319, just like MIA-LAS.



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User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6429 times:

I flew MIA-PHX back in late June on my way to SFO and it was a US/HP 319, HP interior and very clean.
Nice flight overall...



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6382 times:

With a 0715 departure apparently, US doesn't want any of the cruise ship action from MIA to PHX, so apparently PHX people will continue to have to switch planes somewhere.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33281 posts, RR: 71
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6364 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 7):
With a 0715 departure apparently, US doesn't want any of the cruise ship action from MIA to PHX, so apparently PHX people will continue to have to switch planes somewhere.

FLL has an afternoon departure to Phoenix good for cruise pax. The morning departure out west is more important for business travelers, and I think US rather have those than cruise ship travelers.



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User currently offlineCactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2450 posts, RR: 30
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6338 times:

Wasn't AA supposed to start MIA-PHX at one point?


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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6333 times:

Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 9):
Wasn't AA supposed to start MIA-PHX at one point?

I heard that several months ago, didn't believe then and still don't with all the service the AA has cancelled in PHX (JFK, LAX, SJC, STL just a few). Would like them to reinstated the red eye (0215) flight to DFW so none can make some points in the Caribbean in one day.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33281 posts, RR: 71
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6319 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 10):

I heard that several months ago, didn't believe then and still don't with all the service the AA has cancelled in PHX (JFK, LAX, SJC, STL just a few). Would like them to reinstated the red eye (0215) flight to DFW so none can make some points in the Caribbean in one day.

It was supposed to start. However, at the last minute, AA decided to go for a 7th daily MIA-LAX with the 757 allocated to the route.



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User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6158 times:

Great news for PIT, but not for AA! AA should have beefed up the route when they could have! Thanks US for gracing Pittsburgh with one more flight!


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33281 posts, RR: 71
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6070 times:

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 12):
AA should have beefed up the route when they could have!

They couldn't beef up anything. They don't have enough RJs to add a second daily, and they can't resume mainline service to Pittsburgh for the near future.



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9268 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6048 times:

Quoting Tooluther (Reply 2):
Great, now I can fly to Miami the DAY AFTER the Orange Bowl to see Clemson play there.

Heh, don't you just love US?

Anyway, I wonder what equip that flight to MIA will be, an A319? Or will this be an Embraer? (I actually think this will be an A319 and not a regional provider.)

Funny... This cut didn't even last one full year... I sure hope the loads/yields are more encouraging this go around...



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User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6047 times:

PIT MIA will only be a 733 until the 190s come online. Look for most of PIT Florida to become 190s in the next year or so.

User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9268 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6025 times:

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 15):
PIT MIA will only be a 733

Ah, same size aircraft pretty much...

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 15):
Look for most of PIT Florida to become 190s in the next year or so.

I can't wait to see US fly E90s out of PIT Big grin

Will this mean that the 757s 733s and A320s going PIT-MCO could go E90? Well, the 733/734s anyway?



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User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6017 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 16):
Will this mean that the 757s 733s and A320s going PIT-MCO could go E90? Well, the 733/734s anyway?

MCO may stay a 734 or bus, the only 757s PIT sees anymore go to LAS and I fear that that wont last long either.


User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5999 times:

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 15):
PIT MIA will only be a 733 until the 190s come online. Look for most of PIT Florida to become 190s in the next year or so.

PIT-Flordia becoming E90s doesn't make very much sense. PIT-FLL is 1 B734, and 1 A321? Why would they have those aircraft on the routes if they aren't needed?

PIT-FL sees quite a few daily passengers! I don't think you are 100% correct. I agree they might have an E90 here, and an E90 there, but taking over on all frequencies is a bit strange. PIT has low O&D, but not that low!



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8690 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5978 times:

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 17):
MCO may stay a 734 or bus,

I flew that route in May and loved it. The best a/c for the route is the 733. They can't spare one, so I think the 734 is overkill and an A319 is just right.



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9268 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5962 times:

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 17):
the only 757s PIT sees anymore go to LAS and I fear that that wont last long either.

Will that become an A320 or A321)

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 18):
PIT-Flordia becoming E90s doesn't make very much sense. PIT-FLL is 1 B734, and 1 A321? Why would they have those aircraft on the routes if they aren't needed?

Ummm... good question

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 18):
PIT-FL sees quite a few daily passengers! I don't think you are 100% correct. I agree they might have an E90 here, and an E90 there, but taking over on all frequencies is a bit strange. PIT has low O&D, but not that low!

The O&D is coming up, and I think that re bring-back of this service has to say something about PIT's O&D, especially in the FLA market...

I don't know if I said this before, but I hope that this route does well and that it is not dropped by US again...



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User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5948 times:

The main markets that will go to 190s in Florida will be cities like PBI, RSW, MIA. TPA (with a Airbus or Boeing once a day) and maybe we will see JAX come back once a day. Currently all those markets, other than TPA see once a day service in the morning. It would be nice to see it increase in frequency.

MCO and FLL will probably still see larger A/C with a few E-jets adding frequency.

[Edited 2006-10-27 04:23:51]

User currently offlineThegooddoctor From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 523 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5849 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 10):
I heard that several months ago, didn't believe then and still don't with all the service the AA has cancelled in PHX (JFK, LAX, SJC, STL just a few). Would like them to reinstated the red eye (0215) flight to DFW so none can make some points in the Caribbean in one day.

JFK was I'll grant - that failed on it's own merits, whatever those were.

SJC and LAX were back in the day when UA had REAL service to LAX and SFO. From what I understand, UA had the market to markets west of both cities, as well as a substantial group of business FF's. AA has these to points east of PHX, but I think the techies to SJC were used to HP/WN. Weren't these routes ex-Reno Air anyways?

STL doesn't count either - that was cut just like all of the other Ex-TWA flights when AA descaled the STL hub - hardly a "PHX failure"

I still bet AA will take a run at a PHX-MIA flight, since US and WN haven't put much into that service. They certainly carry enough capacity here this winter (6 to ORD, 10 to DFW - 9 of these are 757s) - 2600 seats a day is doing pretty good for a non-hub airline at PHX.

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User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5706 times:

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 17):
MCO may stay a 734 or bus, the only 757s PIT sees anymore go to LAS and I fear that that wont last long either.

PIT-LAS needs a third daily flight, not a reduction in service. Those B757s are ALWAYS full. I think you are just saying some of this stuff?



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User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5689 times:

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 23):
PIT-LAS needs a third daily flight, not a reduction in service. Those B757s are ALWAYS full. I think you are just saying some of this stuff?

Just because an A/C is full doesn't mean it's making money. In fact US is cutting LAS frequencies on Tuesdays and Wednesdays soon. The AM flight to LAS will be cut on these days.
About one third of the people on the PIT-LAS are connections. If they continue to cut the number of connections going through PIT an A320 twice a day would handle the local pax easily.

Over the next few years US will be slapping ETOPs on every 757 that they can. You will slowly see domestic 757 service in US paint drop off. That is one of the main reasons that there was an order for more 321s. About the only place you will see none Hawaii, Europe or Caribbean 757 service will be to LAS and MCO out of CLT and PHL. These markets require less first class seats and with LAS a bit more power to get out on hot days.


25 Steeler83 : They still won't run PIT-LGW with those extra ETOPS 757s if they do that? Aren't they supposed to get 10 A330s in 5 years to use on more PHL routes?
26 HPRamper : US has already said that at first the 190s will be flying exclusively from PHL. Later on it will of course spread out.
27 Bpat777 : Does anyone know exactly when US's 190's are coming online?
28 AJMIA : The extra lift MIA-LAX was sorely needed, but AA could have accomplished that with equipment upgrades and used the 757 to start MIA-PHX. The new 0800
29 CentPIT : PHL needs the E90s. I do however believe that PIT and CLT will see their fair share pretty quickly.
30 Steeler83 : I agree with this. I wonder if any E90s would be for additional service or to replace existing service (733/4, A319s) with an E90 or two if this were
31 Jdwfloyd : My understanding is that there will be a 190 going between PIT and PHL every hour.
32 Steeler83 : The would this replace all existing 733/734/A319 service between the two? Republic also flies a few E70s on this route for US express...
33 CentPIT : I think the E70 would be even more ideal! The E90 is also good in my opinion, because those B733s/B734s are to large. US should use E70s!
34 HPRamper : I was thinking that and hadn't heard a thing about it. Sort of a smaller-scale PHL-PIT Shuttle.
35 Luketenley : The 190 are very nice aircraft. I see those with jetBlue. Will be nice to see some different US aircraft other then 737's all the time. I'm glad PIT i
36 CentPIT : PIT-PHL is served pretty often already (11 daily flights)! If PIT-PHL is served every hour then I would hope US would use a mix of E90s and E70s. The
37 N670UW : How are they too large if they fill them? A lot of people fly between PIT and PHL. Southwest has seven 737's on the route.
38 Jdwfloyd : If US starts at 0600 and sends a 190 to PHL from PIT every hour until 2100 that adds up to 15 flights a day. With about 100 seats per flight there ar
39 MAH4546 : Back on the subject of MIA/US, there is a rumour that the FLL-EYW and FLL-CUN (Saturday-only) service will be moved to MIA in March, conciding with th
40 Humberside : Would CUN maybe go daily then as Saturday only surely wouldn't be able to compete with AA and the Mexican airlines multiple daily flights out of MIA A
41 Jdwfloyd : Out of FLL US flies to PHL,CLT,DCA,PIT,CUN,EYW,PHX and LAS
42 Sunking737 : Just back from a week in PHX, the E190 are going to replace the 737-300. I saw lot of 757's that were ETOPS. It will be nice to have them all be ETOPS
43 Steeler83 : Who all will use this new terminal besides US?
44 MAH4546 : Avianca, United, Swiss, Lufthansa, Air France, Alitalia, Delta, Continental, El Al, Aeropostal, Varig, LAN Argentina, LAN Chile, LAN Ecuador, LAN Per
45 Steeler83 : Wow, that is at least 15 carriers!!! With US in addition to that list, that makes 5 Star airlines at that terminal; I am sure that there are more Sta
46 CentPIT : Hey buddy, I know every aircraft that US flies to and from PIT, so thanks! By the way, US doesn't fill ALL of the flights!
47 Steeler83 : Right, some of the flights may be 80% full, and I am sure that at least one, particularly during an off-peak period, is only 50 or 60% full; same wit
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