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What European Airlines (scheduled) Fly To SJU?  
User currently offlineEmbajador3 From Spain, joined Aug 2006, 318 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5622 times:

I can only think of Iberia and Martinair Cargo. I know that Virgin Atlantic, Thomas Cook and other UK carriers operate charter flights during the summer season, but do you any other airlines apart from the ones mentioned above?
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User currently onlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2397 posts, RR: 28
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5548 times:

Iberia's A340-300 route between Madrid and San Juan is the only scheduled passenger route into SJU from Europe. Lots of other carries codesharing into SJU via gateways of their US codeshare partners.


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User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5534 times:

Currently, IB is the only airline offering scheduled flights between Europe and SJU. At one time, SJU was a stopover for LH flights between FRA and South America. LH discontinued those flights many years ago.

User currently offlineRampero From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2004, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5496 times:

Right. Martinair Cargo and Iberia are the only european airlines in SJU.

Martinair Cargo has plans to move his sju cargo operations to Aguadilla/BQN next year.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5383 times:

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 2):
LH discontinued those flights many years ago.

Add to that also DE. They used to fly into SJU but the flight has been discontinued as well.


User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3257 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5334 times:

BA also flew to SJU in the 90s. They stopped there on their flights to and from TAB and ANu. The services ended around 2002 if I remember correctly.

Although Puerto Rico is the 5th largest Caribbean country its market for air travel is heavily concentrated on the US with historic links to Spain ensuring the IB connection. As such links to other European countries have not been as successful. Puerto Rico is also relatively expensive as a holiday destination and has lost out to its neighbours, particularly the Dominican Republic.

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User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2738 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5320 times:

Quoting Trintocan (Reply 5):
Although Puerto Rico is the 5th largest Caribbean country its market for air travel is heavily concentrated on the US with historic links to Spain ensuring the IB connection. As such links to other European countries have not been as successful. Puerto Rico is also relatively expensive as a holiday destination and has lost out to its neighbours, particularly the Dominican Republic.

Correct! In fact, in order to make San Juan profitable - Iberia needs to combine it with its Santo Domingo flight. This means that demand to Puerto Rico from Europe is very little.

 Smile LatinPlane


User currently offlineBa757gla From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 760 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5319 times:

i was thinking of going to san jose next year actually!

User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5283 times:

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 6):
Iberia needs to combine it with its Santo Domingo flight

IB SJU-SDQ flights are no more. Due to visa restrictions... SJU is served nonstop now from MAD.

BA use to serve SJU back in the 90's up until I believe 2001, 2002. Their are pics of BA DC-10's and 772's at SJU.

AF use to serve SJU as well but for regional Caribbean service using 737's but this was many moons ago.



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User currently offlinePRINAIR From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 744 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5222 times:

BA inherited their SJU service from British Caledonian. BR used to fly there on Tuesdays and Thursdays on a routing of LGW-SJU-CCS-BOG. Aircraft used were DC10-30 according to their 1982 spring timetable. KLM used to serve SJU using their MD-11 back in 1998-1999. I remember seeing their aircraft during some of my travels down to SJU.


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User currently offlineSJUSXM From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5184 times:

When i was in SJU in march IB sent their a346

i guess it was an equipment sub

always nice to see a big bird like that into SJU



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User currently offlineSKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5151 times:

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 6):
Correct! In fact, in order to make San Juan profitable - Iberia needs to combine it with its Santo Domingo flight.

No, that's not true. Always in the past and right now SJU was/is more or less profitable for IB. Like SJUSXM says:

Quoting SJUSXM (Reply 10):
When i was in SJU in march IB sent their a346



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User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2738 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5133 times:

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 11):
No, that's not true. Always in the past and right now SJU was/is more or less profitable for IB. Like SJUSXM says:

I see, thanks for the clarification. I did read in the past from forum members around here that worked on those flights that when San Juan and Santo Domingo were flown as a combination that it was always Santo Domingo that attracted the most loads with SJU always having the lesser amounts of passengers per trip.

In any case, SJU was always a very important IB destination in the past given the hub that it used to operate from there before it was moved to MIA, correct?

 Smile LatinPlane


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5231 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5063 times:

Quoting Trintocan (Reply 5):


Although Puerto Rico is the 5th largest Caribbean country

Actually it is the largest US Commonwealth, (non-state variety) located in the Caribbean  Wink



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User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5039 times:

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 12):
SJU was always a very important IB destination in the past given the hub that it used to operate from there before it was moved to MIA, correct?

Erm...I'm afraid not.

Before moving to MIA, IB operated a small hub in the Caribbean. But it was not SJU...it was SDQ. They flew their DC10s/B742s from MAD to SDQ and from there they flew DC9s to their destinations in the area.

Before establishing a hub in SDQ, some IB flights used to stop at both SDQ and SJU before reaching their final destinations (without plane change).



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User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2738 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4993 times:

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 14):
Before establishing a hub in SDQ, some IB flights used to stop at both SDQ and SJU before reaching their final destinations (without plane change).

Ahh... Okay, that's why I'm confused. You see, I was looking at some old IB pictures on myaviation and I noticed these pictures:


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They show Iberia's flight into San Salvador before they were replaced by the DC-9 operation from MIA when the hub was changed to Florida. The flights to SAL operated as: MAD-SJU-SJO-SAL. That's why I'm confusing SDQ with SJU...

So how many flights are operated to SJU per week?

 Smile LatinPlane


User currently offlineRAPCON From Puerto Rico, joined Jul 2006, 671 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4983 times:

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 6):
demand to Puerto Rico from Europe is very little

Because we don't want to go to Europe. We only want to go to our two motherlands--USA & SPAIN!!!

I FLEW IN THIS PLANE on a MAD-SJU run back in the early 70's
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User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2738 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4976 times:

Quoting RAPCON (Reply 16):
We only want to go to our two motherlands--USA & SPAIN!!!

Uhh... Spain is in Europe!

So how many flights does IB have to La isla del encanto?


 Smile LatinPlane


User currently offlineCHEPOS From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6235 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4949 times:

Flights operate into San Juan nonstop from MAD on Weds, Sats, and Sun on Airbus 340-300.


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4933 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 13):
Actually it is the largest US Commonwealth, (non-state variety) located in the Caribbean

And if it were a country, it would be the 5th largest (it would also be the richest I believe).



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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4915 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 19):
And if it were a country, it would be the 5th largest (it would also be the richest I believe).

Right now the richest Caribbean lands in terms of GDP right now are...
1 The Bahamas $ 16,700
2 Barbados $ 15,700
3 Antigua and Barbuda $ 11,000
4 Trinidad and Tobago $ 9,500
5 Saint Kitts and Nevis $ 8,800

I assume Puerto Rico would surpass them all by a good bit.



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User currently offlineMorrirvolando From Puerto Rico, joined Aug 2006, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4886 times:

Quoting Captaink (Reply 20):
And if it were a country, it would be the 5th largest (it would also be the richest I believe)

better not to go there


User currently offlinePRINAIR From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 744 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4832 times:

A bit off the subject but...

Avianca (AV) used to fly 747s on a BOG-SJU-MAD routing back in the 70s.
Also, as charters, Transamerica (747 SJU-MAD) and Britannia (767) have served SJU.



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User currently offlineEmbajador3 From Spain, joined Aug 2006, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4808 times:

LatinPlane, I fly every year to SJU to visit my family in either high and low season and no matter what airline i choose to travel with, they are ALWAYS full. I have never been in an empty IB to or from SJU. It makes me think that, actually, there is a big demand to fly to and from SJU!


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