Embajador3 From Spain, joined Aug 2006, 318 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3634 times:
I can only think of Iberia and Martinair Cargo. I know that Virgin Atlantic, Thomas Cook and other UK carriers operate charter flights during the summer season, but do you any other airlines apart from the ones mentioned above?
Thnx
Thomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2268 posts, RR: 31 Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3560 times:
Iberia's A340-300 route between Madrid and San Juan is the only scheduled passenger route into SJU from Europe. Lots of other carries codesharing into SJU via gateways of their US codeshare partners.
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IAD380 From United States of America, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 804 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3546 times:
Currently, IB is the only airline offering scheduled flights between Europe and SJU. At one time, SJU was a stopover for LH flights between FRA and South America. LH discontinued those flights many years ago.
Trintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3191 posts, RR: 4 Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3346 times:
BA also flew to SJU in the 90s. They stopped there on their flights to and from TAB and ANu. The services ended around 2002 if I remember correctly.
Although Puerto Rico is the 5th largest Caribbean country its market for air travel is heavily concentrated on the US with historic links to Spain ensuring the IB connection. As such links to other European countries have not been as successful. Puerto Rico is also relatively expensive as a holiday destination and has lost out to its neighbours, particularly the Dominican Republic.
Latinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2630 posts, RR: 15 Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3332 times:
Quoting Trintocan (Reply 5): Although Puerto Rico is the 5th largest Caribbean country its market for air travel is heavily concentrated on the US with historic links to Spain ensuring the IB connection. As such links to other European countries have not been as successful. Puerto Rico is also relatively expensive as a holiday destination and has lost out to its neighbours, particularly the Dominican Republic.
Correct! In fact, in order to make San Juan profitable - Iberia needs to combine it with its Santo Domingo flight. This means that demand to Puerto Rico from Europe is very little.
PRINAIR From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 744 posts, RR: 3 Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3234 times:
BA inherited their SJU service from British Caledonian. BR used to fly there on Tuesdays and Thursdays on a routing of LGW-SJU-CCS-BOG. Aircraft used were DC10-30 according to their 1982 spring timetable. KLM used to serve SJU using their MD-11 back in 1998-1999. I remember seeing their aircraft during some of my travels down to SJU.
Latinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2630 posts, RR: 15 Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3145 times:
Quoting SKY1 (Reply 11): No, that's not true. Always in the past and right now SJU was/is more or less profitable for IB. Like SJUSXM says:
I see, thanks for the clarification. I did read in the past from forum members around here that worked on those flights that when San Juan and Santo Domingo were flown as a combination that it was always Santo Domingo that attracted the most loads with SJU always having the lesser amounts of passengers per trip.
In any case, SJU was always a very important IB destination in the past given the hub that it used to operate from there before it was moved to MIA, correct?
IBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1825 posts, RR: 62 Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 18 hours ago) and read 3051 times:
Quoting Latinplane (Reply 12): SJU was always a very important IB destination in the past given the hub that it used to operate from there before it was moved to MIA, correct?
Erm...I'm afraid not.
Before moving to MIA, IB operated a small hub in the Caribbean. But it was not SJU...it was SDQ. They flew their DC10s/B742s from MAD to SDQ and from there they flew DC9s to their destinations in the area.
Before establishing a hub in SDQ, some IB flights used to stop at both SDQ and SJU before reaching their final destinations (without plane change).
Latinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2630 posts, RR: 15 Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 3005 times:
Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 14): Before establishing a hub in SDQ, some IB flights used to stop at both SDQ and SJU before reaching their final destinations (without plane change).
Ahh... Okay, that's why I'm confused. You see, I was looking at some old IB pictures on myaviation and I noticed these pictures:
They show Iberia's flight into San Salvador before they were replaced by the DC-9 operation from MIA when the hub was changed to Florida. The flights to SAL operated as: MAD-SJU-SJO-SAL. That's why I'm confusing SDQ with SJU...
Captaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5093 posts, RR: 13 Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 12 hours ago) and read 2927 times:
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 19): And if it were a country, it would be the 5th largest (it would also be the richest I believe).
Right now the richest Caribbean lands in terms of GDP right now are...
1 The Bahamas $ 16,700
2 Barbados $ 15,700
3 Antigua and Barbuda $ 11,000
4 Trinidad and Tobago $ 9,500
5 Saint Kitts and Nevis $ 8,800
I assume Puerto Rico would surpass them all by a good bit.
PRINAIR From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 744 posts, RR: 3 Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months ago) and read 2844 times:
A bit off the subject but...
Avianca (AV) used to fly 747s on a BOG-SJU-MAD routing back in the 70s.
Also, as charters, Transamerica (747 SJU-MAD) and Britannia (767) have served SJU.
Embajador3 From Spain, joined Aug 2006, 318 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2820 times:
LatinPlane, I fly every year to SJU to visit my family in either high and low season and no matter what airline i choose to travel with, they are ALWAYS full. I have never been in an empty IB to or from SJU. It makes me think that, actually, there is a big demand to fly to and from SJU!
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