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User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1090 posts, RR: 5
Posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5992 times:

Hi guys,
I have a few questions on star alliance carriers that in all honestly dont really warrant their own threads..
So Ive lumped them all together in the hope that some people can enlighten me..

1 - Do NZ / AC / UA have flat beds on their 767's ? and if not are they going to be introduced ?
The reason I ask is that I am to take the AC flight to SCL and I also have the option of flying UA from IAD and both apparantly use 767's

2 - Are flatbeds installed on TG 330's and TP 343's ?

3 - Who would rank better in terms of service and comfort on Long haul out of LH / LX / OS in business class... for some reason Im thinking LX but I may be wrong ?

4 - Are RG actively still associated with Star or are there any issues to be resolved after the will they or wont they go down saga a couple of months ago ?

5 - Are any chinese/Indian/Middle eastern carriers looking to participare in the Star Alliance program any time soon considering that CZ will be joining Skyteam

6 - Are NZ's new business class seats the same as VS upper class ??

Well, these are all I have right now, Thanks for your patience!!

Joe

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User currently offlineDgehfx From Canada, joined May 2001, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5976 times:

AC is installing Flat beds in J class on their 767-300's inside a corral. The first one was completed in September. This will eventually extend to all 767-300's in their fleet (as well as other long range aircraft) but the first long haul service with them, apparently will be YYZ-ZRH-DEL.
I believe TK is planning to join Star Alliance.


User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1090 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5972 times:

Quoting Dgehfx (Reply 1):
I believe TK is planning to join Star Alliance.

I think I read this somewhere actually .. thanks..  Smile

So is the AC long haul product going to be competitive against other long haul carriers ?


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12114 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5971 times:
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Quoting BHXDTW (Thread starter):
1 - Do NZ / AC / UA have flat beds on their 767's ? and if not are they going to be introduced ?

NZ don't and won't as they are slowly leaving the fleet. The final two will leave when the B787-9s are being delivered.

Quoting BHXDTW (Thread starter):
3 - Who would rank better in terms of service and comfort on Long haul out of LH / LX / OS in

Apparantly SQ have said that NZs business class seats are better then their business class seats

Quoting BHXDTW (Thread starter):
6 - Are NZ's new business class seats the same as VS upper class ??

Yes under licence. AC is getting the same

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 2):
So is the AC long haul product going to be competitive against other long haul carriers ?

See above regarding the lie flat beds


User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5967 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Thread starter):

2 - Are flatbeds installed on TG 330's and TP 343's ?

On Tap's A310-300 and A340 fleet they have the following shell style seats. With it's A332 fleet they still do not incorporate these seats.





Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1090 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5957 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 3):
Quoting BHXDTW (Thread starter):
3 - Who would rank better in terms of service and comfort on Long haul out of LH / LX / OS in

Apparantly SQ have said that NZs business class seats are better then their business class seats

So SQ have actually stated that NZ have a better seating product ?
wow... that must have taken a lot to say that... but however NZ has a CO/VS hybrid style of Business class fused with First.. wheras SQ actually have a very respectable First Class as well as an equally impressive Raffles..
So I can see why NZ would be considered a litte more impressive..

J


User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1090 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5949 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 4):
Quoting BHXDTW (Thread starter):

2 - Are flatbeds installed on TG 330's and TP 343's ?

On Tap's A310-300 and A340 fleet they have the following shell style seats. With it's A332 fleet they still do not incorporate these seats.

Hi WINGS... hows it going buddy ?
Interesting that the older A310 fleet have the new seats wheras the new 330's actually havent received them yet.. any reason why ?

Oh and much respect for your Historical Aircraft posts... most interesting reading !

J


User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5923 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 6):

Hi WINGS... hows it going buddy ?
Interesting that the older A310 fleet have the new seats wheras the new 330's actually havent received them yet.. any reason why ?

Well the three A332's that Tap have in it's fleet are ex Swissair. They currently still have the same Swissair seats installed. I would imagine that with future maintenance checks Tap will incorporate the changes.

Tap's A330 fleet currently have the following seats installed.


With it's five remaining A332's on order, they will naturally be introduced with the shell type seats.

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 6):
Oh and much respect for your Historical Aircraft posts... most interesting reading !

Thank you BHXDTW, Keep an eye out for my next tribute.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5923 times:

UA do not have flat beds in F on their B767s. The seats are the same as they were 10 years ago.

There are two carriers in China reportedly on track to join Star Alliance. I don't remember which two, but a search should turn up that information.


User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5566 posts, RR: 36
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5892 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Thread starter):
3 - Who would rank better in terms of service and comfort on Long haul out of LH / LX / OS in business class... for some reason Im thinking LX but I may be wrong ?

The service of LX is great. Regarding the seats (long-haul) it depends if you have the new business in the A 343 or the old in the A 332. The angled lie flat seats in the 343 are good and in my opinion very comfortable. The old style in the 332 are ok but not anymore state of the art. I heard that all long-haul aircrafts of Swiss should get new business seats but I don't know if it is true and when it will happen.


User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1434 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5774 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 8):
There are two carriers in China reportedly on track to join Star Alliance. I don't remember which two, but a search should turn up that information.

Air China and Shanghai Airlines IIRC.

There have been strong rumours of AI joining Star... but probably not until the merger with IC is completed.

Cheers,
Kaz



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9613 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5690 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 5):
So SQ have actually stated that NZ have a better seating product ?
wow... that must have taken a lot to say that... but however NZ has a CO/VS hybrid style of Business class fused with First.. wheras SQ actually have a very respectable First Class as well as an equally impressive Raffles..
So I can see why NZ would be considered a litte more impressive..

NZ has a better business class seat, but SQ has better service. I use to be a huge fan of NZ service in business/first class, however with staff cuts, the quality of the service has gone way down since the flight attendants seem to overworked. Also meal service is pretty bad on Air New Zealand, or at least it was when I flew Business Premier 10 months ago.

The best thing about NZ is the use of the Virgin Upper Class Suite, which is amazingly comfortable. It's a comfortable recliner, and a long comfortable bed when converted. IFE is also perfect.



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User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1090 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5597 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 11):
NZ has a better business class seat, but SQ has better service. I use to be a huge fan of NZ service in business/first class, however with staff cuts, the quality of the service has gone way down since the flight attendants seem to overworked. Also meal service is pretty bad on Air New Zealand, or at least it was when I flew Business Premier 10 months ago.

The best thing about NZ is the use of the Virgin Upper Class Suite, which is amazingly comfortable. It's a comfortable recliner, and a long comfortable bed when converted. IFE is also perfect.

I can believe that with the service... SQ service is awesome !!

Do any other airlines use the VS upper class seat or is it just NZ ??

Joe


User currently offlineJamincan From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5519 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 12):
Do any other airlines use the VS upper class seat or is it just NZ ??

AC has a slightly different version of the seat. It's the same manufacturer, but a slightly newer model. I'm not sure where NZ sits between the two.


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5490 times:

Quoting Dgehfx (Reply 1):
This will eventually extend to all 767-300's in their fleet (as well as other long range aircraft) but the first long haul service with them, apparently will be YYZ-ZRH-DEL.

This was the original plan, yet ZRH/DEL has yet to see the aircraft. It has been flying mainly between YUL & FRA.



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User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5487 times:

TK isn't on the STar Alliance website or listed in any of the news stories. I seem to remember some speculation about them joining, obviously Star haven't heard any of this

 Wink


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8556 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5472 times:
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Quoting BA787 (Reply 15):
I seem to remember some speculation about them joining, obviously Star haven't heard any of this

actually Star have acknowledged that talks are going on

http://www.hemscott.com/news/latest-news/item.do?newsId=36483600001996

Airline industry network Star Alliance is in talks with Turkish Airlines with the aim of including the carrier in the group, Star Alliance vice president Philip Saunders said.



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User currently offlineHanginOut From Austria, joined May 2005, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5399 times:

Quoting Jamincan (Reply 13):
AC has a slightly different version of the seat. It's the same manufacturer, but a slightly newer model. I'm not sure where NZ sits between the two.

NZ's seat is the same as VS' - to turn into a bed, the seat flips over. AC has a variation of the seat that slides down into a flat bed. I haven't tried either out yet, but I would guess that the NZ/VS seat would be better.



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25183 posts, RR: 48
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5383 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 15):
TK isn't on the STar Alliance website or listed in any of the news stories. I seem to remember some speculation about them joining, obviously Star haven't heard any of this

Here is a press release about THY joining Star.

http://www.thy.com/en-INT/corporate/...leases/press_release.aspx?pid=1161



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User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5346 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 18):
Here is a press release about THY joining Star

Thought they were, it just isn't listed on the Star website lol


Shows how much star update their websites  Big grin


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8556 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5337 times:
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Quoting BA787 (Reply 19):
Thought they were, it just isn't listed on the Star website lol


Shows how much star update their websites

while I admit that Star are pretty slow at updating their website I think in this instance it is because there is nothing definite to report - they are in talks with TK - membership could come out of the talks ( most likely IMHO ) or it might end in one side walking away .



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User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5335 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 20):

Ah yes but if oneworld even had an airline breath at them, they would announce them joining lol.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7573 posts, RR: 43
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5318 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Thread starter):
I am to take the AC flight to SCL and I also have the option of flying UA from IAD and both apparantly use 767's

I don't believe UA flies to SCL. Can someone confirm?



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User currently offlineSemobeila From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5251 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Thread starter):
3 - Who would rank better in terms of service and comfort on Long haul out of LH / LX / OS in business class... for some reason Im thinking LX but I may be wrong ?

I would say that depends on the aircraft you are flying, as long the cabin is equipped with state-of the art seats. OS' new business class is supposed to be excellent, personally I'm not a fan of LH's new BC seat. In terms of service I would favor both, LX and OS.


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Quoting BHXDTW (Thread starter):
4 - Are RG actively still associated with Star or are there any issues to be resolved after the will they or wont they go down saga a couple of months ago ?

Yes, they are still a member of the alliance.

Quoting BHXDTW (Thread starter):
5 - Are any chinese/Indian/Middle eastern carriers looking to participare in the Star Alliance program any time soon considering that CZ will be joining Skyteam

Air China and Shanghai Airlines have been officially confirmed to join in the near future. TK, I believe, has announced that they were joining star, however there is no official confirmation from Star (guess that's happening after the CEOs have met again in December). I assume Star is looking for members in the Middle East and India but no public announcement has been made.

Quoting BHXDTW (Thread starter):

6 - Are NZ's new business class seats the same as VS upper class ??

I don't know for sure, but they look very similar...


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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5244 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 22):
I don't believe UA flies to SCL. Can someone confirm?

UA do not fly to SCL and haven't anytime recently. I doubt they ever have, but I'm not sure on the last point. There was a south american expansion about ten years ago that cost UA a small fortune.


25 777ER : It was said at a recent Star meeting When I flew NZ2 AKL-LAX in June, I found the economy meal to be very filling, so I was happy with the meal servi
26 Kiwiandrew : they definitely flew MIA-SCL for a period - not sure how long ago , they pulled out a few years ago but I am not sure exactly when
27 Trintocan : UA did serve SCL-MIA from 1992 when it bought its Latin American routes from the collapsed Pan Am - it also served CCS, POS, EZE, GRU and GIG. Since t
28 HanginOut : Concerning the Middle East, the name that comes up the most often for Star Alliance membership is Qatar. As for India, many a.netters think that Air
29 Walter747 : yea last spring i was looking at flights to Cape Verde and it still said SAA made tech stops in Sal which they stopped years ago.
30 Nzrich : Hi there have been NO staff cuts in the last 8 years at least to crew numbers..With the introduction of the new seats there have been a change in whe
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