Lumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 21 Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4930 times:
559 total 737s this year; 10 short of last year's record 569. Not bad.
"When all is said and done, more will be said than done".
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4929 times:
MauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2477 posts, RR: 28 Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4907 times:
If got an airline in my mind who needs and was planning to order 20 737's..KLM, they said earlier this year that they were considering an order for short haul planes to replace the 737-300/400's which are still in the fleet. the order was planned end this year or early next year, so good chance they are the airline.
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5150 posts, RR: 49 Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4848 times:
Are any of those Airbus orders firm orders that they'll add to there totals for October?
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5150 posts, RR: 49 Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4820 times:
Quoting Leelaw (Reply 5): Perhaps they're making a bid for A350 production work as well (mandrels spinning composite fuselage sections)?
Wonder if they would hire Boeing's LCFs to move the fuselage sections then!
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4617 times:
Quoting Leelaw (Reply 5):
Perhaps they're making a bid for A350 production work as well (mandrels spinning composite fuselage sections)?
Why not just ship the entire Airbus line to China...will probably more efficient..
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21026 posts, RR: 60 Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4497 times:
What's interesting about all those 737s is that very few go to risky airlines. 30 for Lion and even that is a followup order (we'll see if they take all 60), a few here and there otherwise, but 500 of them are for well established customers. And China, which isn't going to default or go bankrupt.
If last year was the year of the startup airline, this year it's been the "vote of confidence" for Boeing...
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
Planemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 5481 posts, RR: 34 Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4319 times:
At these rates, Boeing would appear to be in no rush to introduce their 737RS. It almost seems that no new narrowbody will come out until all the Classics have been replaced with NGs... and then the RS will be the NG replacement.
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Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4177 times:
Quoting Planemaker (Reply 10): At these rates, Boeing would appear to be in no rush to introduce their 737RS. It almost seems that no new narrowbody will come out until all the Classics have been replaced with NGs... and then the RS will be the NG replacement.
Thats one way of looking at it......another thought is that all of these 737NG sales will provide Boeing with capital to fund the 737RS project.
AA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3346 posts, RR: 4 Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3942 times:
Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 11): Thats one way of looking at it......another thought is that all of these 737NG sales will provide Boeing with capital to fund the 737RS project.
I don't think the question is about funding or sales, it's more about the lack of technology. Currently technology including engines exists to provide at best 10% (as was shown in another thread) and Boeing and Airbus and Airlines all want at least 20% to make it worth their while to invest in a whole new product!
For now, the 737NG and A32X is the best we'll see for a while until something more radical in terms of technology is found!!!
Planemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 5481 posts, RR: 34 Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3815 times:
Quoting AA1818 (Reply 12): I don't think the question is about funding or sales, it's more about the lack of technology. Currently technology including engines exists to provide at best 10% (as was shown in another thread) and Boeing and Airbus and Airlines all want at least 20% to make it worth their while to invest in a whole new product!
I agree! However, if oil were to jump to $100-$120/bbl, that currently obtainable 10% suddenly jumps to +20%. Then B and A will feel airline pressure to come out with a new narrowbody sooner rather than later.
On the other hand, if oil drops to $30-$40/bbl then that current 10% advantage over current models becomes less... and there is even less pressure to introduce a new narrowbody.
Furthermore, with each year that B is able to "squeeze" out of the NGs means that the RS will incorporate further basic R&D in addition to improvements and lessons learned coming out of the 787 program.
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KSUpilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 656 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3757 times:
If it ain't broke, don't fix it....atleast not for another 10 years or so.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3656 times:
On a side note...I like this comment by Boeing's CEO..
"• Pending sales campaigns. McNerney said he is "optimistic" about major ongoing campaigns with Lufthansa and British Airways."...
DAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 50 Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2837 times:
[quote=Jacobin777,reply=16 Pending sales campaigns. McNerney said he is "optimistic" about major ongoing campaigns with Lufthansa and British Airways."...[/quote]
Well, BA already secured itself some 20 777 delivery positions a few months ago, IIRC, so that order is only dependant on when and what specific model(s) BA will order. Lufthansa, don't wanna comment on that, LH is starting to drag this order on longer than SQ did their 787/A350 decision (only to order both).
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2086 times:
Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 17): Well, BA already secured itself some 20 777 delivery positions a few months ago, IIRC, so that order is only dependant on when and what specific model(s) BA will order. Lufthansa, don't wanna comment on that, LH is starting to drag this order on longer than SQ did their 787/A350 decision (only to order both).
True, BA will probably go Boeing...and at least LH has given some kind of "definitive" for their order time.....but its the first time we've heard anything from someone from Boeing management (and especially being the Chairman/CEO of the company)...
PanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 3987 posts, RR: 93 Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2036 times:
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Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 17): Well, BA already secured itself some 20 777 delivery positions a few months ago, IIRC
A minor clarification if I may sir, it was 10 not 20, production slots covering delivery 2008 through 2010. They announced that publicly on March 8, 2006.
DAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 50 Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2001 times:
Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 20): A minor clarification if I may sir, it was 10 not 20, production slots covering delivery 2008 through 2010. They announced that publicly on March 8, 2006.
Regards, PanAm_DC10
Ah, thanks for the correction, guess I was a bit too optimistic about the potential order .
Bringiton From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 866 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1838 times:
Quoting AA1818 (Reply 12): don't think the question is about funding or sales, it's more about the lack of technology. Currently technology including engines exists to provide at best 10% (as was shown in another thread) and Boeing and Airbus and Airlines all want at least 20% to make it worth their while to invest in a whole new product!
The bottom line is that the A320 and the 737NG are very effeceint to begin with . The new composite frames , electrical systems only perhaps give 40-50% of the eff , the other 50% of the eff. acheived is via More effecient engines which are out of boeing's and airbus's hands . Boeing has said a lot more about the 737RS and so far they are studying the requirment . In the NB market there needs to be a correct balance between Lower Fuel burn , Faster turn around times , Lower cost of maintaince and High Reliability . We may see a platform in 2013 that gives around 10-15% Lower fuel burn but offers much much lower maintaince costs and higher reliability (although i cant see how they can go any higher then the NG) etc etc or might be more economical to procure and operate etc . All in all engines play a very big role in development cycles and I think neither Airbus nor boeing is willing to jump the gun until the engine manufacterers are ready and willing to commit.
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