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Who Is N527AD (B733) Going To Be Deliverd To?  
User currently offlineTomascubero From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2005, 525 posts, RR: 9
Posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7347 times:

Hey Guys,

I recently spotted a 737-300 ex. PR-GLA from GOL returned to its lessor about 1 or 2 months ago, here in SJO (COOPESA) sporting a new paint scheme which I am very positive is a new Logo Jet for some company. Before it was placed with its N reg, it had VP-BBN on it, which was useless for identification. Here are two shots of it, with VP-BBN and then N527AD. I am really hoping to spot this before it leaves as it seems it is almost ready for delivery. My friends in Coopesa have both stopped working there and I have no contact to inform me about this, I am hoping one of you guys knows about it:

VP-BBN:

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/2838/img3664ta4.jpg

N527AD:

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/3104/img4145yi2.jpg

Thanks guys!
Tomas.

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User currently offlineViasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1894 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7293 times:

It could be the first aircraft for the new russian airline Sky Express.

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_Express


User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3958 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7271 times:

Quoting Viasa (Reply 1):
It could be the first aircraft for the new russian airline Sky Express.

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_Express

I think you're right Viasa! Those first few letters would fit "SkyE" of SkyExpress and the VP-B reg is typical of Western aircraft operating for Russian airlines.

Nice catch!

R


User currently offlineTomascubero From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2005, 525 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7154 times:

Quoting Viasa (Reply 1):
It could be the first aircraft for the new russian airline Sky Express.

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_Express

Viasa my friend, you are a genius!!! You are completely correct, look:

Quote:
SkyExpress is to be equipped with 44 middle-range Boeing 737-300/500 jets which were leased.

http://www.kommersant.com/p705784/r_...d_Russia%92s_First_Budget_Airline/

This is a 737-300 and it belongs to a lessor which had this one leased to GOL, and VP- is a widely used registration in Russia for like RobK said, Western aircraft flying in Russia.

This is quite a great start and now the only thing is to have someone help me to find when its going to be delivered. It should be very soon since it has its delivery registration, which is N of course.

Now, if it is being delivered through the USA, which is very likely since they are using an N registration, it will make it much easier since when it is to depart, a flight plan will be displayed on FlightAware or Red1Aviation as long as it crosses FAA airspace.

Lets hope some one from SkyExpress can confirm this, or someone from Russia who knows about this.

I'll open a new forum about the new airline and its scheme to get more attention.

Thanks so much guys!
Tomas.


User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3958 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7031 times:

Quoting Tomascubero (Reply 3):
Now, if it is being delivered through the USA, which is very likely since they are using an N registration, it will make it much easier since when it is to depart, a flight plan will be displayed on FlightAware or Red1Aviation as long as it crosses FAA airspace.

No. That's where the fun ends. If it shows up on any of the trackers I'll eat my hat. Generally speaking, only those airlines and aircraft that operate regularly through FAA airspace show up on the trackers, with a few exceptions. I'd put money on it not showing up.

Regards the routing, probably across to Bangor or Gander or even Goose Bay perhaps, then Keflavik or Shannon.

 spin 

R


User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3958 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7031 times:

Quoting Tomascubero (Reply 3):
Now, if it is being delivered through the USA, which is very likely since they are using an N registration, it will make it much easier since when it is to depart, a flight plan will be displayed on FlightAware or Red1Aviation as long as it crosses FAA airspace.

No. That's where the fun ends. If it shows up on any of the trackers I'll eat my hat. Generally speaking, only those airlines and aircraft that operate regularly through FAA airspace show up on the trackers, with a few exceptions. I'd put money on it not showing up.

Regards the routing, probably across to Bangor or Gander or even Goose Bay perhaps, then Keflavik or Shannon.

 spin 

R


User currently offlineTransIsland From Bahamas, joined Mar 2004, 2046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7028 times:

Quoting RobK (Reply 2):
and the VP-B reg is typical of Western aircraft operating for Russian airlines.

But as far as I understand the original post, it used to be VP-B** and is now (new) N27AD.

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=527AD



I'm an aviation expert. I have Sky Juice for breakfast.
User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3958 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7019 times:

Quoting TransIsland (Reply 6):
But as far as I understand the original post, it used to be VP-B** and is now (new) N27AD.

N527AD is a lessor registration. I'll bet my house that it reverts to VP-BBN when it's delivered. I just know these things!  Wink

R


User currently offlineTomascubero From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2005, 525 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6949 times:

Quoting RobK (Reply 4):
No. That's where the fun ends. If it shows up on any of the trackers I'll eat my hat. Generally speaking, only those airlines and aircraft that operate regularly through FAA airspace show up on the trackers, with a few exceptions. I'd put money on it not showing up.

Well, thanks to FlightAware, I have seen:

VARIG GIG-SJO-TUS with a 738 and 733
Aloha SJO-BRO-HNL with 732's
N387UA SJO-MIA and who knows what to Nigeria, Aero Contractors 733
And a bunch more routed through the US.

Its just a fact that when they fly to anywhere in the USA, every aircraft (with the exception of VFR and Military ops) has to send a flight plan to the US and when that happens, FlightAware picks it up.

Let's hope for the best and that it does happen this way.

Cheers!
Tomas.


User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3958 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days ago) and read 6912 times:

Quoting Tomascubero (Reply 8):
Well, thanks to FlightAware, I have seen:

VARIG GIG-SJO-TUS with a 738 and 733

Because VRG has regular service to JFK at least.

Quote:
Aloha SJO-BRO-HNL with 732's

Regular service to the US West coast.

Quote:
N387UA SJO-MIA and who knows what to Nigeria, Aero Contractors 733
And a bunch more routed through the US.

All N prefixed flights show as they're American! (except those where the owners have requested them to be blocked from public view, bizjets etc).

Quote:
Its just a fact that when they fly to anywhere in the USA, every aircraft (with the exception of VFR and Military ops) has to send a flight plan to the US

Yes, but

Quote:
and when that happens, FlightAware picks it up.

No. The FAA automatically includes all American operators on the tracker "feed", BUT, only the airlines from other parts of the globe THAT HAVE REGULAR SERVICE TO THE US. Any airline that isn't currently on that "feed" must request IN WRITING to the FAA to be added to the tracker feed, and that request needs to come from someone in authority at the airline. Like I said previously though, there are some exceptions. SkyEurope is one that springs to mind straight away - all their new build 737 delivery flights show up as ESK100F to Keflavik but they don't have any service to the US.

I'll give you some examples of recent regular and Boeing delivery callsigns that you won't find :

Regular: PLM (Air Pullmantur, Spain), LVG (Livingston, Italy), RAM (Royal Air Maroc)

New build Boeing deliveries: CHH (Hainan, China), CSH (Shanghai, China), CSZ (Shenzhen, China), CDG (Shandong, China), CXI (ShanXi, China), CXA (Xiamen, China), ANK (Air Nippon, Japan), GLO (GOL, Brazil), JAI (Jet Airways, India).

Some of the VPB.. flights do show up on the trackers so you might be in look if it files as VPBBN or even the N-reg for the delivery flight, but if it files an airline callsign then forget seeing it on the tracker because it won't happen.

Trust me, I know what I'm talking about here!  spin 

R


User currently offlineTomascubero From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2005, 525 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days ago) and read 6893 times:

Quoting RobK (Reply 9):
No. The FAA automatically includes all American operators on the tracker "feed", BUT, only the airlines from other parts of the globe THAT HAVE REGULAR SERVICE TO THE US. Any airline that isn't currently on that "feed" must request IN WRITING to the FAA to be added to the tracker feed, and that request needs to come from someone in authority at the airline. Like I said previously though, there are some exceptions. SkyEurope is one that springs to mind straight away - all their new build 737 delivery flights show up as ESK100F to Keflavik but they don't have any service to the US.

But if I'm not mistaken, when the aircraft flies in FAA airspace, it is not flying with their callsign or flight number, hence the N reg, the flightplan will popup as N527AD SJO-XXX not like SKE100 or what ever the callsign is, the flights I just mentioned are all routed with their N number as their callsign for the exception of Aloha which is always AAH320-AAH321:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N311FV - US JPATS Aircraft
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N356US - US Airways to KLD
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N870GX - VARIG to GOL
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N477GX - VARIG to GOL
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N320UA - United to GOL

The list goes on and on, you are probably right about them not being able to fly in FAA airspace with their callsign, but I am almost certain if they use an N reg as their callsign during the flight, they dont need any permits and are shown on Flight Aware or similar.

Quoting RobK (Reply 9):
Some of the VPB.. flights do show up on the trackers so you might be in look if it files as VPBBN or even the N-reg for the delivery flight, but if it files an airline callsign then forget seeing it on the tracker because it won't happen.

Oh shit, I just explained that for nothing   !!!

Quoting RobK (Reply 9):
Trust me, I know what I'm talking about here!

I am certain you do know  .

Cheers!
Tomas.

[Edited 2006-10-27 18:39:36]

User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3958 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6858 times:

Quoting Tomascubero (Reply 10):
But if I'm not mistaken, when the aircraft flies in FAA airspace, it is not flying with their callsign or flight number, hence the N reg, the flightplan will popup as N527AD SJO-XXX not like SKE100 or what ever the callsign is, the flights I just mentioned are all routed with their N number as their callsign for the exception of Aloha which is always AAH320-AAH321:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N311FV - US JPATS Aircraft
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N356US - US Airways to KLD
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N870GX - VARIG to GOL
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N477GX - VARIG to GOL
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N320UA - United to GOL

Sorry Tom but you are wrong!!  bigthumbsup 

Those examples you give are positioning or delivery flights, ie. non-rev. The flight plan is filed as whatever the aircraft operator wants to fly it as. It's as simple as that. Flights for airliners are most certainly NOT filed by registration rather than callsign ANYWHERE in the world, including the US. American flight 1234 files as AAL1234, not as N123AA (eg.). The only time they would fly using reg is for a lessor flight or positioning etc, as stated previously.

Somehow I don't seem to be getting my point across though. Can someone explain it better to Tomas please  confused . I'm starting to get a  banghead  here.  boggled 

R


User currently offlineTomascubero From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2005, 525 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6802 times:

Quoting RobK (Reply 11):
Those examples you give are positioning or delivery flights, ie. non-rev. The flight plan is filed as whatever the aircraft operator wants to fly it as. It's as simple as that. Flights for airliners are most certainly NOT filed by registration rather than callsign ANYWHERE in the world, including the US. American flight 1234 files as AAL1234, not as N123AA (eg.). The only time they would fly using reg is for a lessor flight or positioning etc, as stated previously

Completely correct RobK, this whole thing was a misunderstanding  rotfl , the aircraft will be delivered with the N number for like you say a lessor or positioning flight, we are both correct in those terms so I just read too quickly  Wink.

Lets hope for the best and hope it is delivered through its N number as callsign.

Thanks!
Tomas.


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6760 times:

Quoting RobK (Reply 9):
The FAA automatically includes all American operators on the tracker "feed", BUT, only the airlines from other parts of the globe THAT HAVE REGULAR SERVICE TO THE US. Any airline that isn't currently on that "feed" must request IN WRITING to the FAA to be added to the tracker feed, and that request needs to come from someone in authority at the airline.

Not to throw mud in the water here, but I can't imagine the operator of this aircraft bothering to get one-time approval from FAA for when they ferried it to us earlier in the month.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/V...U/history/20061017/1458Z/CYQX/KDAL

VP-BBU became N271LV only once it got here to DAL, and the same thing happened when VP-BBT ferried over in late August and only later became N270WN.

I guess the only sure-fire way to see if flightaware or any of the other ASDI-based trackers will work for a specific registration number is simply to try it and see what happens...


User currently offlineAmerican777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 6664 times:

Quoting Viasa (Reply 1):
It could be the first aircraft for the new russian airline Sky Express.

 checkmark 

It is the first aircraft for Sky Express of Russia and here is a PIC showing the entire airplane with it's livery already applied.

Enjoy!

JOE.  airplane 


User currently offlineAJO From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 6628 times:

Picture added to the a.net database today:

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Photo © Melvin Pereira




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User currently offlineTomascubero From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2005, 525 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 6615 times:

Quoting AJO (Reply 15):
Picture added to the a.net database today:

Well I'm not going to say much about this but I think is is just punishment for me not being able to spot it after so much hard work I have done to find this for some other guy to spot it without knowing what's going on.

Tomas.


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