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Frontier Reports $0.5M Q2 Profit  
User currently offlineNZblue From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 638 posts, RR: 3
Posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3583 times:

Just released on the Frontier Airlines website:

http://www.frontierairlines.com/fron...e-are/news-media/press-releases.do

[Edited 2006-10-27 01:00:54]


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User currently offlineB6WNQX From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3552 times:

Good for them! They are working hard at what they are doing and their costs are going to go up due to the new subsidiary but they should be able to manage. I wonder if they have found a new carrier for the jetexpress operations yet? I am hoping for the E170 to better match their mainline products. I wish them the best.

User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3543 times:

Half a million? I dont know if I should be happy or worried. Seems like they teeter on the brink between profit and loss right now.
I guess if they can end the year cutting some more costs and/or upping revenue they should be alright for now.


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7541 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3532 times:

Wow. In the black. But very close. To put it in context a full Concorde on the LHR-JFK route could generate revenues of more that $1.5 million or three times their 2007 second quarter profit and around a quarter of their 2006 second quarter profit.

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3479 times:

F9 should fly the Concorde then!

Seriously, a loss was expected, so I guess even 1 buck is good news.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25289 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3414 times:
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They posted a profit in a difficult quarter. A couple of other LCC's - Airtran, JetBlue - did not.

That doesn't seem bad to me.

 Smile

mariner



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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5055 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3314 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 5):
They posted a profit in a difficult quarter. A couple of other LCC's - Airtran, JetBlue - did not.

That doesn't seem bad to me.

Smile

mariner

Beyond agree. Even Alaska posted a loss. A profit is a profit, no matter how big or small.

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 2):
Half a million? I dont know if I should be happy or worried. Seems like they teeter on the brink between profit and loss right now.
I guess if they can end the year cutting some more costs and/or upping revenue they should be alright for now.

There is no doubt F9 faces challenges, but who is not? F9 is investing into its future by creating a subsidiary. They are still growing, and looking into markets that can bring in money. It is going to be peak travel season for Mehico.



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User currently offlineJetBlueAUS From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1145 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3311 times:

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 6):
There is no doubt F9 faces challenges, but who is not? F9 is investing into its future by creating a subsidiary. They are still growing, and looking into markets that can bring in money. It is going to be peak travel season for Mehico.

I hope Frontier pulls through and becomes much larger. They seem like a great, customer friendly airline!



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User currently offlineKanebear From United States of America, joined May 2002, 953 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3290 times:

In this environment? Even a small profit is huge. It means that they're headed in the right direction. It means that as oil prices fall, they will do better. It means they're viable.

User currently offlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2760 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3269 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):
Seriously, a loss was expected, so I guess even 1 buck is good news.

Estimates were earnings of 1 to 5 cents per share. They came in at the very low end of that range. Still a good quarter when compared to most other LCCs, and I think a sign that they are on the right track for increased profits and growth.



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User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3805 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3219 times:

Interesting find copied and pasted from the article linked in the starter thread:

Oct 26, 2006
Frontier Airlines Reports Fiscal Second Quarter 2007 Results


Announcing 2Q 2007 results on Oct 26, 2006? Frontier must have some very high-powered clairvoyant people working for them!


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17513 posts, RR: 45
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3190 times:

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 10):
Frontier must have some very high-powered clairvoyant people working for them!

Or just a wonky fiscal calendar  Wink



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3187 times:

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 10):
Announcing 2Q 2007 results on Oct 26, 2006? Frontier must have some very high-powered clairvoyant people working for them!

The key is in the line:
Frontier Airlines Reports Fiscal Second Quarter 2007 Results

They are now in Fiscal year 2007. It doesn't have to follow the calendar.

Some companies like Microsoft just finished the first quarter of fiscal 2007, others like F9 the 2nd quarter.



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User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3174 times:

Glad F9 still is in the black. I really like F9 and can't wait to try them.

As long as it is a positive cash flow when they expected a negative income, it is great news.

B6jfk airplane 



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User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3157 times:

According to the article, Q2 of FY2007 equates to Q3 2006, which was June-September.

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17513 posts, RR: 45
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3076 times:

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 10):
Frontier must have some very high-powered clairvoyant people working for them!

Or just a wonky fiscal calendar  Wink



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User currently offlineEmSeeEye From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 508 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3026 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 5):
They posted a profit in a difficult quarter. A couple of other LCC's - Airtran, JetBlue - did not.

That doesn't seem bad to me.


mariner

True... but keep in mind too that DEN isnt a cheap airport to operate out of. Kudos to F9.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25289 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3013 times:
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Quoting EmSeeEye (Reply 16):
keep in mind too that DEN isnt a cheap airport to operate out of.

I do. Always.  Smile

Which is another reason why I am pleased to see them expanding away from DEN.

mariner



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2993 times:

They took that 500,000 from jetblue  Silly


Alex



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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2982 times:

Send a Q400 to GFKBig grin  duck 

Seriously though this is excellent news for Frontier, especially with the expenses incurred in forming the holding company.


User currently offlineShowerOfSparks From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2933 times:

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 13):
I really like F9 and can't wait to try them.

So if you've never flown Frontier on what do you base your opinion?
Comparisons with other airlines you've never flown?


User currently offlineKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days ago) and read 2869 times:

Here are Frontier's earnings illustrated -

Operating revenue -

Mainline revenue, JetExpress revenue, and credit card affinity program revenue - $302,852,000

Cargo revenue - $1,962,000

Ground handling other airlines, interline handling fees, DirecTV, liquor sales and excess bagggage fees - $5,042,000

Total operating revenue - $309,856,000

Operating expenses -

Flight operations expenses including lease and insurance expenses, pilot and flight attendant wages, inflight catering, crew overnight expenses, flight dispacth and aircraft lease expenses - -$66,474,000

Fuel expenses - -$101,450,000

Landing and ground handling fees including station employee wages and benefits - -$39,120,000

Maintenance - -$22,068,000

Promotions and sales including marketing employees and reservation personnel (expenses for credit card fees) - -$26,240,000

General and adminstrative expenses (Legal, accounting, human resources, IT) - -$15,419,000

JetExpress partner - -$28,033,000

Depreciation and amortization (the allowance for the usage of any owned aircraft , aircraft parts, DirecTV equipment, office equipment and GSE) - -$8,304,000

Special items such as losses or gains on sales of assets - $341,000

Total Operating Expenses - $306,767,000

Business Interruption Insurance Proceeds (a one time payment due to the loss of profits from Hurricane Katrina during FY 2006) - $868,000

Equals

Operating Profit - $3,957,000



Interest earned from the money that F9 has in the bank - $4,203,000

Expenses for borrowed money - -$7,840,000

Other non-operating miscellaneous expenses or income - $29,000

Total Non-Operating Expenses, Net - -$3,608,000



Combining the Operating Profit and the Non-Operating Expenses equals $349,000

Taxes (income tax benefit) $160,000


Net Profit - $509,000


User currently offlineAdh214 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2841 times:

Another positive note in this report is that cash increased to $221.12 million versus $144.1 million in the year ago period.

User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5055 posts, RR: 28
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2732 times:

Quoting JetBlueAUS (Reply 7):
I hope Frontier pulls through and becomes much larger. They seem like a great, customer friendly airline!

Sure, they will be fine. Just like B6. Sadly, both F9 and B6 have skepticists, writing the demise of both airlines. If they only knew............

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 13):
Glad F9 still is in the black. I really like F9 and can't wait to try them.

As long as it is a positive cash flow when they expected a negative income, it is great news.

B6jfk airplane

F9 is a great airline. You would enjoy their service.

Quoting ShowerOfSparks (Reply 20):
So if you've never flown Frontier on what do you base your opinion?
Comparisons with other airlines you've never flown?

Just by the comments and structure would make one "like" an airline. When you work in this industry, you get to know other airlines. I have never flown on Air Tran, but I am very fond of them. I like their planes, people, and route structure.



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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13138 posts, RR: 100
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2657 times:
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Quoting Mariner (Reply 5):
They posted a profit in a difficult quarter. A couple of other LCC's - Airtran, JetBlue - did not.

That doesn't seem bad to me.

Not at all  bigthumbsup 

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 18):
They took that 500,000 from jetblue

 rotfl  My, the earnings balance out to zero. Coincidence, I think not!  Wink

Now the question, has anyone looked at why the majors did so well? I'm speculating international, but I'll admit I haven't followed AA or CO in enough detail to know if cost cutting and the "network effect" was their profit center vs. 2005 or if the growth in international was the pure reason they had a profit?

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 23):
Sure, they will be fine. Just like B6. Sadly, both F9 and B6 have skepticists, writing the demise of both airlines. If they only knew............

Please elaborate. I'm curious as to why someone with a F9 username would also include B6... I'm curious as to your thoughts.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5055 posts, RR: 28
Reply 25, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2619 times:

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 24):
Please elaborate. I'm curious as to why someone with a F9 username would also include B6... I'm curious as to your thoughts.

Lightsaber

I obviously have a love for F9. Great airline, great people, and a great future. I also have a vested interest, and I am "A whole different animal"!

I also have a love for B6. Everyone that I have ever met from B6 have been a pleasure to communicate with. I have the highest respect for them.

It seems as though a few have already written off F9 and B6 because of a few bad quarters. Sure the rumors have flared about a merger, but I have my doubts on that. The 2 airlines would be a good merge, but the cultures are different. While both airlines are young, it would not be a difficult merge (union fights and all). I think both airlines will come out on top, with or without a merge.

The reason I posted on B6 and F9 in the same post too, is because the other thread going about B6's 500K loss, is drawing many to say that B6 is going under.

It just frustrates me on how many get a jolly out of watching an airline fail or struggle. I was appalled and still am about how many on a.net laughed, taunted, and danced around the demise of Independence Air. So many employees and customers suffered because of it, and I find absolutely no humor in that. While F9 or B6 are nowhere near extection, I find some people using Indy as a platform of where these 2 airlines are headed. That is why I will sit back, and enjoy watching both B6 and F9 kick some ass.

Thanks for letting me blow some steam!!!  Smile I went off in a tangent, but felt good to spill it! LOL!



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