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User currently offlineSlovacek747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3690 times:

I see that the Philippine Airlines 744 makes a stop at HNL on its way to MNL when it departs SFO but flies the route non-stop on the way back. Why does it make this stop in HNL? It's about 6,978 miles from SFO-MNL, within range of 744's to take a pretty full load. Do they have a weaker 744 or pick up more pax in HNL?

Thanks,
Slovacek747

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User currently offlineDreamflight767 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3691 times:
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Philippine 105 & 115 no longer fly via HNL. Tech.-stops are made in GUM. This change was made a little less than a year ago.

User currently offlineSlovacek747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3680 times:

I was looking at expedia and it has them stopping in HNL as of August of 2007. So why the tech stop if it can make it all the way?

Slovacek747


User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3675 times:

My understanding is that it only needs the tech stop in GUM during certain months of the year, depending on the strength of the prevailing western winds.


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User currently offlineSlovacek747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3672 times:

LAX-SYD and LAX-MEL are longer than SFO-MNL and we don't see them making fuel stops...I'm just trying to understand why Philippine Airlines would have to and Qantas doesn't on its flights to Australia that are definitely longer.

User currently offline747hogg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3668 times:

No more HNL as the guy said... Makes the trip so much nicer, you get onboard tired as hell about midnight after the hassel of getting to LAX and the bullshit security-check in grind. Then as soon as the FL is reached you hit the sack. after a 10 or so hour sleep you have a pee stop in Guam (what a nasty sounding name!) GUAM!!! Then breakfast while you get ready to land shortly in MNL.

User currently offlineSlovacek747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3661 times:

Do they have PTV's on their planes?

User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7555 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3647 times:

Quoting Slovacek747 (Reply 6):
Do they have PTV's on their planes?

No. The tech stop is because of the winds, sure it may only be so many physical miles, but add the winds into it and that makes it seem like a lot further, going to Sydney you fly more cross with the winds and pick up the upper loop of the lower hemisphere....



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User currently offlineAirlineAddict From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 420 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3567 times:
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Quoting Slovacek747 (Reply 4):
LAX-SYD and LAX-MEL are longer than SFO-MNL and we don't see them making fuel stops...I'm just trying to understand why Philippine Airlines would have to and Qantas doesn't on its flights to Australia that are definitely longer.

In addition to the winds, PR has a denser layout on 3 of the 4 744s the operate than Qantas 2-class 744 (433 seats vs. 412 seats, respectively) which means more weight on board the aircraft. Qantas 3-class 744 only carries 382 passengers.

There's also talk that PR tries to carry as much cargo as possible making the planes even heavier thus limiting range.


User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4881 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3529 times:

Quoting Slovacek747 (Reply 2):
I was looking at expedia and it has them stopping in HNL as of August of 2007. So why the tech stop if it can make it all the way?

As others have mentioned, the tech stops are now done in GUM. Did the Expedia info by any chance coincide with the multiple-stop A343 trips the President had leading to the Non-Aligned Nations summit a while back? IIRC, their last itinerary was HNL to commemorate the first Filipino migration to Hawaii.



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User currently offlineOldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3548 posts, RR: 67
Reply 10, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3505 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 7):
The tech stop is because of the winds

While the winds are a factor, another reason for the stop is the 139kg pax and baggage allowance for return flights to the Philippines. This makes for high payloads and restricted range.

Returning overseas workers tend to bring alot of presents for the folks at home.



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User currently offlineSlovacek747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3394 times:

Thanks for the infor everyone.

User currently offlineTwoodsmnl From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3300 times:

Quoting Slovacek747 (Reply 6):
Do they have PTV's on their planes?

Yes on First and Business for all their widebody aircraft. One of their 744s ( ex-Kuwait Airways (N754PR) has PTVs all the way to economy. Hear they are going to upgrade all their 744s, i.e., lie-flat seats in business class and full cabin AVOD. They will take out their first class seats though. Hear its not making money for them.


User currently offline747hogg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3168 times:

First class section will indeed be stripped, replaced by a tropical looking bamboo area with a pig roasting spit, in flight cock fighting , and a drunken arm wrestling table. The whole idea is the brainchild of Alfonso "dirty" Sanchez, director of the new "Island in the Sky" native motif for the newely rich filipinos returning to the motherland. A wonderful parque dance floor and giant Karaoke stage will replace the upper deck. All seats will be in the "Z" class fare, and a three drink minimun in the upper deck club.

User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2736 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3102 times:

Quoting 747hogg (Reply 13):
First class section will indeed be stripped, replaced by a tropical looking bamboo area with a pig roasting spit, in flight cock fighting , and a drunken arm wrestling table. The whole idea is the brainchild of Alfonso "dirty" Sanchez, director of the new "Island in the Sky" native motif for the newely rich filipinos returning to the motherland. A wonderful parque dance floor and giant Karaoke stage will replace the upper deck. All seats will be in the "Z" class fare, and a three drink minimun in the upper deck club

In fact, the first 744 to be refurbirshed and updated with will be properly christened in honor of "Imelda Marcos"

 Silly

 Smile LatinPlane


User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4881 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3068 times:

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 14):
Quoting 747hogg (Reply 13):
First class section will indeed be stripped, replaced by a tropical looking bamboo area with a pig roasting spit, in flight cock fighting , and a drunken arm wrestling table. The whole idea is the brainchild of Alfonso "dirty" Sanchez, director of the new "Island in the Sky" native motif for the newely rich filipinos returning to the motherland. A wonderful parque dance floor and giant Karaoke stage will replace the upper deck. All seats will be in the "Z" class fare, and a three drink minimun in the upper deck club

In fact, the first 744 to be refurbirshed and updated with will be properly christened in honor of "Imelda Marcos"

And the aircraft will be flown to Mindanao for the ceremony and reception, with you two as guests of honor and the Abu Sayyaf as hosts.  wink 



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