Slovacek747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2801 times:
I see that the Philippine Airlines 744 makes a stop at HNL on its way to MNL when it departs SFO but flies the route non-stop on the way back. Why does it make this stop in HNL? It's about 6,978 miles from SFO-MNL, within range of 744's to take a pretty full load. Do they have a weaker 744 or pick up more pax in HNL?
Dreamflight767 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 57 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2802 times:
Philippine 105 & 115 no longer fly via HNL. Tech.-stops are made in GUM. This change was made a little less than a year ago.
Lumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 21 Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2786 times:
My understanding is that it only needs the tech stop in GUM during certain months of the year, depending on the strength of the prevailing western winds.
"When all is said and done, more will be said than done".
Slovacek747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2783 times:
LAX-SYD and LAX-MEL are longer than SFO-MNL and we don't see them making fuel stops...I'm just trying to understand why Philippine Airlines would have to and Qantas doesn't on its flights to Australia that are definitely longer.
747hogg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2779 times:
No more HNL as the guy said... Makes the trip so much nicer, you get onboard tired as hell about midnight after the hassel of getting to LAX and the bullshit security-check in grind. Then as soon as the FL is reached you hit the sack. after a 10 or so hour sleep you have a pee stop in Guam (what a nasty sounding name!) GUAM!!! Then breakfast while you get ready to land shortly in MNL.
Burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7411 posts, RR: 9 Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2758 times:
No. The tech stop is because of the winds, sure it may only be so many physical miles, but add the winds into it and that makes it seem like a lot further, going to Sydney you fly more cross with the winds and pick up the upper loop of the lower hemisphere....
"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
AirlineAddict From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 415 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2678 times:
Quoting Slovacek747 (Reply 4): LAX-SYD and LAX-MEL are longer than SFO-MNL and we don't see them making fuel stops...I'm just trying to understand why Philippine Airlines would have to and Qantas doesn't on its flights to Australia that are definitely longer.
In addition to the winds, PR has a denser layout on 3 of the 4 744s the operate than Qantas 2-class 744 (433 seats vs. 412 seats, respectively) which means more weight on board the aircraft. Qantas 3-class 744 only carries 382 passengers.
There's also talk that PR tries to carry as much cargo as possible making the planes even heavier thus limiting range.
DEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4424 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2640 times:
Quoting Slovacek747 (Reply 2): I was looking at expedia and it has them stopping in HNL as of August of 2007. So why the tech stop if it can make it all the way?
As others have mentioned, the tech stops are now done in GUM. Did the Expedia info by any chance coincide with the multiple-stop A343 trips the President had leading to the Non-Aligned Nations summit a while back? IIRC, their last itinerary was HNL to commemorate the first Filipino migration to Hawaii.
OldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3206 posts, RR: 66 Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2616 times:
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 7): The tech stop is because of the winds
While the winds are a factor, another reason for the stop is the 139kg pax and baggage allowance for return flights to the Philippines. This makes for high payloads and restricted range.
Returning overseas workers tend to bring alot of presents for the folks at home.
Airplane design is easy, the difficulty is getting them to fly - Barnes Wallis
Twoodsmnl From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 15 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2411 times:
Yes on First and Business for all their widebody aircraft. One of their 744s ( ex-Kuwait Airways (N754PR) has PTVs all the way to economy. Hear they are going to upgrade all their 744s, i.e., lie-flat seats in business class and full cabin AVOD. They will take out their first class seats though. Hear its not making money for them.
747hogg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2279 times:
First class section will indeed be stripped, replaced by a tropical looking bamboo area with a pig roasting spit, in flight cock fighting , and a drunken arm wrestling table. The whole idea is the brainchild of Alfonso "dirty" Sanchez, director of the new "Island in the Sky" native motif for the newely rich filipinos returning to the motherland. A wonderful parque dance floor and giant Karaoke stage will replace the upper deck. All seats will be in the "Z" class fare, and a three drink minimun in the upper deck club.
Latinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2629 posts, RR: 15 Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2213 times:
Quoting 747hogg (Reply 13): First class section will indeed be stripped, replaced by a tropical looking bamboo area with a pig roasting spit, in flight cock fighting , and a drunken arm wrestling table. The whole idea is the brainchild of Alfonso "dirty" Sanchez, director of the new "Island in the Sky" native motif for the newely rich filipinos returning to the motherland. A wonderful parque dance floor and giant Karaoke stage will replace the upper deck. All seats will be in the "Z" class fare, and a three drink minimun in the upper deck club
In fact, the first 744 to be refurbirshed and updated with will be properly christened in honor of "Imelda Marcos"
DEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4424 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2179 times:
Quoting Latinplane (Reply 14): Quoting 747hogg (Reply 13):
First class section will indeed be stripped, replaced by a tropical looking bamboo area with a pig roasting spit, in flight cock fighting , and a drunken arm wrestling table. The whole idea is the brainchild of Alfonso "dirty" Sanchez, director of the new "Island in the Sky" native motif for the newely rich filipinos returning to the motherland. A wonderful parque dance floor and giant Karaoke stage will replace the upper deck. All seats will be in the "Z" class fare, and a three drink minimun in the upper deck club
In fact, the first 744 to be refurbirshed and updated with will be properly christened in honor of "Imelda Marcos"
And the aircraft will be flown to Mindanao for the ceremony and reception, with you two as guests of honor and the Abu Sayyaf as hosts.
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