Visityyj From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 519 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 11005 times:
C-FITL B777-333ER MAR 07
C-FITU B777-333ER APL 07
C-FITW B777-3Q8ER MAY 07
C-FIUA B777-233LR JUNE 07
C-FIUL B777-333ER JUNE 07
C-FIUF B777-233LR JULY 07
C-FIUR B777-333ER JULY 07
C-FIUJ B777-233LR NOV 07
1 X 233LR IN JAN 08
2 X 233LR IN FEB 08
1 X 333ER IN MARCH 08
Irobertson From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 601 posts, RR: 3 Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8328 times:
What a waste of money those A330 and 340s must be. I love them and all, but especially the 340-500s, they've only been a part of the fleet for two years now, just to get replaced here shortly with Boeings. Why didn't Air Canada just order 777s to begin with then?
YVRtoYYZ From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 644 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7797 times:
Quoting Irobertson (Reply 14): What a waste of money those A330 and 340s must be. I love them and all, but especially the 340-500s, they've only been a part of the fleet for two years now, just to get replaced here shortly with Boeings.
Might I direct you to this quote from a respect a.net user and AC insider:
Quoting Sebring (Reply 7): It is also keeping the two A340-500s, which is a departure from previous iterations of the fleet plan.
Jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7844 posts, RR: 8 Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7730 times:
Air Canada needs all the 773ER it can get. From Toronto alone they fly to very distant cities on 3 continents. Frequency to LHR is 4 or 5 daily, then you have the rest of Europe,ezpecialy the FRA hub served from many Canadian cities. To South America there is daily servcie to GRU and EZE or SCL. Fro YYZ, not YVR, AC flies nonstop to HKG, NRT, Shanghai and Peking. Then you have all the Pacific cities from Vancouver, all the Montreal European flights and service to LHR(daily) from each main candian cities from Vancouver to St. Johns, including Ottawa. So AC needs all the 777 it ahs ordered.
AA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1182 posts, RR: 7 Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7631 times:
It seems so strange to me that they only ordered 2 A345s, and just for one route, and then they replace them with 772LRs on the route. If they are keeping them, to what destinations will they go? It also seems strange to me that they are using 773ERs to replace A333s which has much less range and capacity.
ChrisA330 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 622 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7586 times:
Quoting AA777223 (Reply 21): It also seems strange to me that they are using 773ERs to replace A333s which has much less range and capacity.
The 777s aren't being used to replace the A333s. According to the fleet plan these are staying for the timebeing. The 777s are being used to supplement capacity lost with the retirement of the B744s as well as to replace the A343s. The A345s are also staying for the moment according to the most recent fleet plan.
So from that point, AC couldn't order more and I don't think A would produce anymore for them. Now after AC has experienced the poor perfomance of the aircraft and they are making some money... they are going to go with the Boeing product to satisfy their needs...
Hope that helps,
Drive it like you stole it!
25 AA777223: That's not what this says! " target=_blank>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Can...rders This says they will use 773ERs and 788s to replace the A333s.
26 Sebring: I doubt it's wrong. It's a legal filing, and that means the lawyers combed this thing over several times. It makes perfect sense when combined with t
27 Sebring: This is a gross oversimplification. ACE decided the most cost effective widebody fleet of the future would be one from a single manufacturer offering
28 Jamincan: When Air Canada first ordered the A340, the 777 wasn't really a competitive offering. From what I've read elsewhere, at the time it was mainly a choi
29 Sebring: As of the end of 2007, all 343s will be gone. By the end of the decade, all but two of the 762s will be gone, and I suspect those will become domesti
30 KrisYYZ: From what I have read on this site, AC's B773ER will have just over 300 seats and the 2LRs will have about the same has the current A343s. If AC more
31 KrisYYZ: I thought the -313 and -312 will be the last to go around 2010? Is AC still sending RG some B762? KrisYYZ
32 Sebring: Nope, and I don't know the latest on RG
33 Accargo: You are aware that any Tom, Dick or Harry with internet access can edit wikipedia entries? It's not a reliable source of information at all. The info
34 CYQL: Is the IPO available online, I searched the Air Canada website and couldn't find it. Does Air Canada still have the three A340-600s on the books or h
35 BeechNut: Interesting given that AC has more or less implied it does not want to have any more 4-engined microfleets. Two ships is almost about as "microfleet"
36 SQuared: Yes. You can check on sedar: http://www.sedar.com/ SQuared
37 Gmonney: Sebring, I was refering to when AC was going into Chapter 11. Do you actually thing a manufacture would fulfill an order and have the planes sit on th
38 Sebring: All new aircraft have an evolutionary character. The E-175s were maintenance queens at first. Then it was the E-190s. Gradually the record improves a
39 Gmonney: I think if AC wasn't in financial trouble when the 345 and 346 orders went in and were produced, they would have those aircrafts today? no? G
40 LongHauler: That has now changed as well. The latest fleet plan I viewed, (last week) show only 5 A340-300 leaving the fleet in 2007. The remainder left until 20
41 Sebring: That would depend on when your fleet plan was drawn up. The prospectus says all are gone by the end of 2008. I stand corrected. But not 2011. In any
42 The777Man: Any confirmation of what specific routes AC will use their first 777s for ? Possibly domestic routes first for crew training ? The777Man
43 LongHauler: I agree, the impression I am getting is that when they state 2011, (the end of the fleet plan) they really mean, "just not 2007", and subject to furt
44 BOE773: Vancouver to Mumbai should be a moneymaker with the large Indian population on the west coast.
45 Klyk1980: I would say..it is the A340-500 to help Air Canada to gain back the market share from Cathay Pacific on YYZ-HKG route. Yes...service still behind CX,
46 Sebring: Toronto-Mumbai and Vancouver-Delhi will come before Vancouver-Mumbai. The Sikh population in British Columbia is likely more interested in a flight t
47 Jimyvr: AC sales office in Japan confirmed both YYZ-NRT and YVR-NRT will get 777-300ER service starting 2007 Summer Schedule. Daily capacity will up to 700,
48 AirbusfanYYZ: ...Until CX deploys the B773ER on HKG-YYZ... sometime late 2007. IIRC that's when they start receiving their B773ERs. However, AC's new inflight prod
49 Jimyvr: ANA would rather continue codesharing with AC and chances for JAL hopping in is unlikely for at least another 2-3 years may be.