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User currently offlineGabypn1992 From Canada, joined Jun 2006, 74 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 12 months 13 hours ago) and read 12067 times:

Do you know when Air Canada gonna get there new 777. I'm waiting for this moment. And do you know if they gonna have a new livery???

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User currently offlineSanjet From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 12 months 13 hours ago) and read 12058 times:

Late winter and spring of 2007 for the first 777's to arrive. Pilots are starting the ground school already.


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User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (7 years 12 months 13 hours ago) and read 12056 times:

Quoting Gabypn1992 (Thread starter):
And do you know if they gonna have a new livery???

They will have the new AC livery, that is being added to aircraft at the moment.....


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User currently offlineBeech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 12 months 12 hours ago) and read 11895 times:

Quoting Sanjet (Reply 1):
Late winter and spring of 2007 for the first 777's to arrive. Pilots are starting the ground school already.

I beleive the Boeing fireing order shows the 772LR's coming down the chute before their 300ER's. Janurary 07 i beleive.

Emirates 772LR's they converted from 773ER's will be in that same time frame too.



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User currently offlineYVRtoYYZ From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 664 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 12 months 11 hours ago) and read 11772 times:

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 3):
I beleive the Boeing fireing order shows the 772LR's coming down the chute before their 300ER's. Janurary 07 i beleive

News to me. Last I heard was that the B773 were to be delivered late-March to early-April 2007, with the LRs coming in August.

From AirCanada.com
Delivery of the 777 aircraft is scheduled to commence in March 2007. and Air Canada will take delivery of the leased aircraft in May 2007

Also from Air Canada, the press release states:
Delivery of the first six 777 aircraft is scheduled commencing in March through to July 2007. Air Canada's first 787 is scheduled for delivery in 2010.

A.net user Sebring might be able to provide greater insight.

-YVRtoYYZ


User currently offlineBeech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 12 months 10 hours ago) and read 11637 times:

Quoting YVRtoYYZ (Reply 4):
A.net user Sebring might be able to provide greater insight.

I was hoping that 777MechSys would chime in... he has access to that information.

I could be mistaken but i thought the LR's were coming early for some reason.



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User currently offlineVisityyj From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 12 months 10 hours ago) and read 11573 times:

C-FITL B777-333ER MAR 07
C-FITU B777-333ER APL 07
C-FITW B777-3Q8ER MAY 07
C-FIUA B777-233LR JUNE 07
C-FIUL B777-333ER JUNE 07
C-FIUF B777-233LR JULY 07
C-FIUR B777-333ER JULY 07
C-FIUJ B777-233LR NOV 07

1 X 233LR IN JAN 08
2 X 233LR IN FEB 08
1 X 333ER IN MARCH 08

6 X 233LR DATES UNKNOWN

2 X 777F IN JAN AND MAR OF 09


User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1665 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (7 years 12 months 10 hours ago) and read 11536 times:

Quoting Visityyj (Reply 6):
C-FITL B777-333ER MAR 07
C-FITU B777-333ER APL 07
C-FITW B777-3Q8ER MAY 07
C-FIUA B777-233LR JUNE 07
C-FIUL B777-333ER JUNE 07
C-FIUF B777-233LR JULY 07
C-FIUR B777-333ER JULY 07
C-FIUJ B777-233LR NOV 07

1 X 233LR IN JAN 08
2 X 233LR IN FEB 08
1 X 333ER IN MARCH 08

6 X 233LR DATES UNKNOWN

2 X 777F IN JAN AND MAR OF 09

I have put this info in other threads, but here goes again

On Oct 16, Air Canada released its preliminary IPO prospectus to potential investors.

It is a meticulous 268-page document and has to be considered the definitive word on many issues, including fleet. At least as things stood on Oct 16.

with respect to the 777s, the current plan is as you have outlaid for 2007:

5 773ER, 3 772LR

For 2008, however, the IPO calls for 6 773ER and 3 772LR in 2008

For 2009, you have the two freighters.

So, as things stand, AC is getting 11 773ERs and 6 777-200LRs.

It is also keeping the two A340-500s, which is a departure from previous iterations of the fleet plan.


User currently offlineGabypn1992 From Canada, joined Jun 2006, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 12 months 9 hours ago) and read 11458 times:

Next summer, I'm gonna do YUL-YYZ-NRT or YUL-YVR-NRT with AC and TG for NRT-BKK. Do you think I'm gonna have the chance to take a new 777 of AC or I'm gonna take a old 343 or 345?


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User currently offline777MechSys From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 350 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 12 months 6 hours ago) and read 11213 times:
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Quoting Beech19 (Reply 5):
I was hoping that 777MechSys would chime in... he has access to that information.

Sorry busy busy busy. We are working 20% overtime.




Ummm Air Canada 777 200LR. I think the first one should roll out of the factory around May 2007.

I think Emirates will see theirs in.... crap I can't remember.

I'll be back with more info. My brain is fried.


User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5090 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (7 years 12 months 5 hours ago) and read 11101 times:

Looking forward to seeing the 777 in Air Canada's livery!


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User currently offlineAmerican777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 12 months 4 hours ago) and read 11056 times:

Quoting JAL (Reply 10):
Looking forward to seeing the 777 in Air Canada's livery!

Here is a taste of how their new 777's will look like in the new livery:


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User currently offlineVio From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1440 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 9264 times:

I'm still confused. What will these 777 replace? The A340-300 and A330s?


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User currently offlineGabypn1992 From Canada, joined Jun 2006, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9034 times:

Quoting Vio (Reply 12):
I'm still confused. What will these 777 replace? The A340-300 and A330s?

I found something on Wikipedia that can interest you!!!

This is the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Canada#Orders



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User currently offlineIrobertson From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 601 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8896 times:

What a waste of money those A330 and 340s must be. I love them and all, but especially the 340-500s, they've only been a part of the fleet for two years now, just to get replaced here shortly with Boeings. Why didn't Air Canada just order 777s to begin with then?

User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8873 times:

Quoting Sebring (Reply 7):
For 2008, however, the IPO calls for 6 773ER and 3 772LR in 2008

For 2009, you have the two freighters.

So, as things stand, AC is getting 11 773ERs and 6 777-200LRs.

That's a pretty big change since the B773ERs were originally meant to replace the B744Ms. On Boeing's site, AC orders still show up as 5 B773ERs + 1 ILFC and 11 B772LR.

Does AC really need 11 -300ERs?
maybe you mixed up the variants by mistake?

KrisYYZ


User currently offlineGabypn1992 From Canada, joined Jun 2006, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8571 times:

I think they gonna have new destination with there new 777 and 787. Like Africa or something like that. I hope that we gonna see a 773ERs at YUL.


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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12516 posts, RR: 35
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8541 times:

Exciting times ahead for AC!

Is there any indication yet of the configuration of the -300ER and -200LR?


User currently offlineSQuared From Canada, joined May 2005, 387 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8394 times:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 15):
Does AC really need 11 -300ERs?
maybe you mixed up the variants by mistake?

I have also taken a look at the AC prospectus for its upcoming IPO, and Sebring is right. The only question is whether the prospectus is wrong (which is unlikely).

SQuared


User currently offlineYVRtoYYZ From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 664 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8365 times:

Quoting Irobertson (Reply 14):
What a waste of money those A330 and 340s must be. I love them and all, but especially the 340-500s, they've only been a part of the fleet for two years now, just to get replaced here shortly with Boeings.

Might I direct you to this quote from a respect a.net user and AC insider:

Quoting Sebring (Reply 7):
It is also keeping the two A340-500s, which is a departure from previous iterations of the fleet plan.

-YVRtoYYZ


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8424 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8298 times:
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Kris YYZ,

Air Canada needs all the 773ER it can get. From Toronto alone they fly to very distant cities on 3 continents. Frequency to LHR is 4 or 5 daily, then you have the rest of Europe,ezpecialy the FRA hub served from many Canadian cities. To South America there is daily servcie to GRU and EZE or SCL. Fro YYZ, not YVR, AC flies nonstop to HKG, NRT, Shanghai and Peking. Then you have all the Pacific cities from Vancouver, all the Montreal European flights and service to LHR(daily) from each main candian cities from Vancouver to St. Johns, including Ottawa. So AC needs all the 777 it ahs ordered.


User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1249 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8199 times:

It seems so strange to me that they only ordered 2 A345s, and just for one route, and then they replace them with 772LRs on the route. If they are keeping them, to what destinations will they go? It also seems strange to me that they are using 773ERs to replace A333s which has much less range and capacity.


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User currently offlineChrisA330 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8154 times:

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 21):
It also seems strange to me that they are using 773ERs to replace A333s which has much less range and capacity.

The 777s aren't being used to replace the A333s. According to the fleet plan these are staying for the timebeing. The 777s are being used to supplement capacity lost with the retirement of the B744s as well as to replace the A343s. The A345s are also staying for the moment according to the most recent fleet plan.


User currently offlineGabypn1992 From Canada, joined Jun 2006, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8095 times:

But what they gonna do with there two 345???


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User currently offlineGmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2159 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8042 times:

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 21):
It seems so strange to me that they only ordered 2 A345s, and just for one route

If my memory serves me right, the A345's were waiting for AC to take them but for financial reasons, AC had to wait remember the pictures?..


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So from that point, AC couldn't order more and I don't think A would produce anymore for them. Now after AC has experienced the poor perfomance of the aircraft and they are making some money... they are going to go with the Boeing product to satisfy their needs...

Hope that helps,

G



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25 AA777223 : That's not what this says! " target=_blank>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Can...rders This says they will use 773ERs and 788s to replace the A333s.
26 Sebring : I doubt it's wrong. It's a legal filing, and that means the lawyers combed this thing over several times. It makes perfect sense when combined with t
27 Sebring : This is a gross oversimplification. ACE decided the most cost effective widebody fleet of the future would be one from a single manufacturer offering
28 Jamincan : When Air Canada first ordered the A340, the 777 wasn't really a competitive offering. From what I've read elsewhere, at the time it was mainly a choi
29 Sebring : As of the end of 2007, all 343s will be gone. By the end of the decade, all but two of the 762s will be gone, and I suspect those will become domesti
30 KrisYYZ : From what I have read on this site, AC's B773ER will have just over 300 seats and the 2LRs will have about the same has the current A343s. If AC more
31 KrisYYZ : I thought the -313 and -312 will be the last to go around 2010? Is AC still sending RG some B762? KrisYYZ
32 Sebring : Nope, and I don't know the latest on RG
33 Accargo : You are aware that any Tom, Dick or Harry with internet access can edit wikipedia entries? It's not a reliable source of information at all. The info
34 CYQL : Is the IPO available online, I searched the Air Canada website and couldn't find it. Does Air Canada still have the three A340-600s on the books or h
35 BeechNut : Interesting given that AC has more or less implied it does not want to have any more 4-engined microfleets. Two ships is almost about as "microfleet"
36 Post contains links SQuared : Yes. You can check on sedar: http://www.sedar.com/ SQuared
37 Gmonney : Sebring, I was refering to when AC was going into Chapter 11. Do you actually thing a manufacture would fulfill an order and have the planes sit on th
38 Sebring : All new aircraft have an evolutionary character. The E-175s were maintenance queens at first. Then it was the E-190s. Gradually the record improves a
39 Gmonney : I think if AC wasn't in financial trouble when the 345 and 346 orders went in and were produced, they would have those aircrafts today? no? G
40 LongHauler : That has now changed as well. The latest fleet plan I viewed, (last week) show only 5 A340-300 leaving the fleet in 2007. The remainder left until 20
41 Sebring : That would depend on when your fleet plan was drawn up. The prospectus says all are gone by the end of 2008. I stand corrected. But not 2011. In any
42 The777Man : Any confirmation of what specific routes AC will use their first 777s for ? Possibly domestic routes first for crew training ? The777Man
43 LongHauler : I agree, the impression I am getting is that when they state 2011, (the end of the fleet plan) they really mean, "just not 2007", and subject to furt
44 BOE773 : Vancouver to Mumbai should be a moneymaker with the large Indian population on the west coast.
45 Klyk1980 : I would say..it is the A340-500 to help Air Canada to gain back the market share from Cathay Pacific on YYZ-HKG route. Yes...service still behind CX,
46 Sebring : Toronto-Mumbai and Vancouver-Delhi will come before Vancouver-Mumbai. The Sikh population in British Columbia is likely more interested in a flight t
47 Jimyvr : AC sales office in Japan confirmed both YYZ-NRT and YVR-NRT will get 777-300ER service starting 2007 Summer Schedule. Daily capacity will up to 700,
48 AirbusfanYYZ : ...Until CX deploys the B773ER on HKG-YYZ... sometime late 2007. IIRC that's when they start receiving their B773ERs. However, AC's new inflight prod
49 Jimyvr : ANA would rather continue codesharing with AC and chances for JAL hopping in is unlikely for at least another 2-3 years may be.
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