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User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2350 posts, RR: 9
Posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5592 times:

I was just wondering today if during the excavation of Ground zero, if they ever found parts of the UA or AA planes that were flown into the buildings? Or did it just get lost in all the piles of rubble?


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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5596 times:

Quoting FRAspotter (Thread starter):
I was just wondering today if during the excavation of Ground zero, if they ever found parts of the UA or AA planes that were flown into the buildings? Or did it just get lost in all the piles of rubble?

Not sure about during the actual excavation, but there are photos of at least one engine core from one of the aircraft that hit the WTC - it flew right out hte other side of the building and landed a fair distance away.


User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2350 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5570 times:

I was just thinking that wih the intense heat up there from the fire burning, that there would be much left to find...


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User currently offlineJamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5571 times:

You mean the rockets, right  Wink J/k

I very much doubt it, considering the heat and pressure from the collapse.

Rgds --James--



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User currently offlineUAL757 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 806 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5517 times:

They found 2 windows from, I think, AA flight 11.  Sad

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21525 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5504 times:

There were many parts found.

Despite the impact, the way physics works is that while you will get melted and pulverized parts, you will also get nearly intact ejected parts. The force of the explosions will blow pieces apart before all of them are consumed by the heat of the fires.



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User currently offlineTAP1972 From Portugal, joined Dec 2003, 396 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5504 times:

What about the plane that hit the Pentagon and the one that crashed in Pensylvannia. Did they find parts of those planes?

User currently offlinePhxplanes From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5466 times:

I have the feeling we might be getting some conspiracy theories coming up.

User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5048 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5467 times:

Did they ever identify any bodies from aircraft hitting the WTC? Kind of a gore question, but one that I always wondered about.


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User currently offlineBringiton From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5450 times:

There are a truck load of pics from the Pentagon crash site -






http://69.57.144.30/ats/pentagon757/757-americanlogo.jpg



There are many many more you'd just have to look for them


User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2350 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5450 times:

Those are some pretty amazing pics...


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User currently offlineBringiton From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5437 times:

Well very sad considering that that airliner was responsible for the life of a very near and dear friend !!

User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5048 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5397 times:

Those pictures are obviously conspiracy pictures. The wreckage clearly looks like a tomahawk missle, and the parts are from a boneyard in Marana Arizona, from an AA Boeing 707.  Yeah sure


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User currently offlineTeamAmerica From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 1761 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5375 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
There were many parts found.

Two blocks away from the World Trade Center:


Quoting TAP1972 (Reply 6):
What about the plane that hit the Pentagon and the one that crashed in Pensylvannia. Did they find parts of those planes?

Pentagon lawn on 9/11:
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/photos/docs/hullpiece.jpg

Flight Data Recorder from United 93 (Pennsylvania):


Quoting Phxplanes (Reply 7):
I have the feeling we might be getting some conspiracy theories coming up.

I would like to think that anyone with enough aviation interest to join A.Net would be able to debunk 9-11 conspiracies with ease.

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 8):
Did they ever identify any bodies from aircraft hitting the WTC?

Yes: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-09-11-sept11-remains_x.htm

Quote:
In New York City, medical examiners used DNA profiles furnished by the FBI to match body parts with three of the 10 hijackers who crashed there.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21525 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5274 times:

Quoting TAP1972 (Reply 6):
What about the plane that hit the Pentagon and the one that crashed in Pensylvannia. Did they find parts of those planes?

Yes. See above. Do a web search. It's all out there.

Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 13):
Two blocks away from the World Trade Center:

Thus my comment about the parts being ejected by the explosion.

Anyone who's ever dropped a glass on a tile floor knows that you can find huge chunks in the other room even though most of the pieces remain in a small area.



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User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2798 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5048 times:

There are a lot of photos from the Pentagon attack, mainly due to the height of the aircraft when it impacted and the damage that it caused. I don't know how people still stick with conspiracy theories after so much evidence is given.

User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4964 times:

I wish I could remember the name of the book. It came out for the anniversary this year. But it was done by the only photographer who had access to ground zero for the entire clean-up project. He did go to the Fishkills Landfill and I saw a photo with lots of parts identified from the planes. A surprising anount survived. However, as most of the photos in this thread show the most recognizable parts where generally from the landing gear. I remember an interview with some official who was asked this question and he said the same thing. He said the landing gear typically survives airlines crashes relativily intact, in general because they then to be the largest single hunks of metal on the airplane. They are pretty hand to destroy completely.

User currently offlineB707Stu From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4820 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 1):
Not sure about during the actual excavation, but there are photos of at least one engine core from one of the aircraft that hit the WTC - it flew right out hte other side of the building and landed a fair distance away.

The starboard engine of UA175 flew out of the building and landed about 3 blocks from me. That's the moment I went into shock. I'll let you know when I snap out of it.


User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4479 times:

If you look closely at one of the videos of the one of the planes impacting the trade center you can see either the landing gear or an engine core being ejected out of the oppisite side of the building that the plane struck. I think it landed on the roof of another building

User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2350 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4452 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 18):
If you look closely at one of the videos of the one of the planes impacting the trade center you can see either the landing gear or an engine core being ejected out of the oppisite side of the building that the plane struck. I think it landed on the roof of another building

I believe this is what RichardPrice was talking about in reply 1?



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User currently offlineTeamAmerica From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 1761 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4191 times:

FMEA studied the effects of the aircraft impacting the WTC towers in great detail. There is a discussion here: World Trade Center Building Performance Study, Chapter 2 On page 16:

Quote:
It is known that some debris from the aircraft traveled completely through the structure. For example, life jackets and portions of seats from the aircraft were found on the roof of the Bankers Trust building located to the south of WTC2. Part of the landing gear from this aircraft was found at the corner of West and Rector Streets, some five blocks south of the WTC complex




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User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3313 posts, RR: 39
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3775 times:

If they did find ieces from the aircraft... could the pieces have been given to the relatives as sort of pieces to remember their loved ones by or would the investigator's keep the pieces?

Also I remember they found the exact piece of metal beam from one of the WTC's where the aircraft hit it.



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User currently offlineAdria From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3734 times:

Quoting Bringiton (Reply 9):
There are a truck load of pics from the Pentagon crash site -

The only thing I was wondering why didn't the media and the world get to see a video of this accident. I mean there are 100s of private videos that were taken in New York and the Pentagon for sure has a lot of video cameras around the building or anywhere else...they could get rid of any conspiracy theory very fast...so why no video?


User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3610 times:

Quoting Adria (Reply 22):
The only thing I was wondering why didn't the media and the world get to see a video of this accident. I mean there are 100s of private videos that were taken in New York and the Pentagon for sure has a lot of video cameras around the building or anywhere else...they could get rid of any conspiracy theory very fast...so why no video?

The masses of video about the WTC is of the second strike, theres only one video of the first strike that I know of and that was by a 'fortunate' camera crew in the area at the time.

The pentagon happenedd very fast, the only video that captured it was a CCTV system, and it didnt get it all, most camers were pointing outward over the perimeter or the entrances, not the area that got hit.

No conspiracy theories there at all.


User currently offlineAdria From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3457 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 23):
The masses of video about the WTC is of the second strike, theres only one video of the first strike that I know of and that was by a 'fortunate' camera crew in the area at the time.

The pentagon happenedd very fast, the only video that captured it was a CCTV system, and it didnt get it all, most camers were pointing outward over the perimeter or the entrances, not the area that got hit.

No conspiracy theories there at all.

No conspiracy...I'm only saying that there have to be a lot of video cameras in all directions in and around pentagon and there are no videos...no matter how fast it happened


25 Jawed : Oh, of course not. I mean, why would the government ever lie to us? It's not like they've ever done anything bad.
26 Post contains links TeamAmerica : Perhaps you haven't seen the video RichardPrice mentioned. It's the real deal, and it causes problems exactly because people somehow expect something
27 Post contains images TeamAmerica : It's not a question of the government lying...it's a question of whether the people who were there are lying. You'd have to believe everybody is in o
28 Adria : That's my point...you cannot see anything, but you can see clearly those aircraft that crashed in New York...but this remains to be a mystery...
29 Post contains links TeamAmerica : There is a huge difference in resolution and frame rate between a security camera (Pentagon) and the TV's cameras that filmed the WTC crashes. Please
30 Airfoilsguy : Ok, call me naive, but what exactly is this conspiracy theory? One or two sentences will do.
31 TeamAmerica : That Bush did it.
32 Airfoilsguy : Your kidding right? Thats a sick thought. I do not like Bush, but if you believe (not you TeamAmerica) that Bush was behide 911 you need help.
33 Post contains images FRAspotter : OMG! I was looking at page 18 from the link above and actually saw a person standing in the opening where one of the jets hit the towers... The perso
34 OPNLguy : It took me about 5 minutes of looking, but you're right--it looks like a woman, white pants, blue top, and red hair, right about the middle of the bo
35 Post contains links Bringiton : For all those people that fall prey to Consp. theories and such websites I recomend the following book - http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/911myth
36 TAP1972 : Some of you interpreted my question as a "conspiracy theory", that wasn't my purpose. the reason of my question is because every 11th of September aft
37 B707Stu : Starboard engine landed next to the Post Office, about 5 blocks from where UA175 impacted the South Tower (#2 World Trade Center). And the nose near
38 LMP737 : The conspiracy theorists really don't want to know the truth. All they want is validation of the "truth" as they see it. Proof of this is that when P
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