AJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 708 posts, RR: 16 Posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3208 times:
With the mess going on at BWIA I am seeing a lot of passengers flying AA to BGI and POS, then making connections to PMB and GEO. Just this year I am seeing a lot more GEO & PMB passengers than I have ever seen before.
This may be a good time for AA to make a run at these markets from MIA.
Once BWIA changes their name to Caribbean Star (dumb idea as far as I am concerned) they will loose alot of their brand recognition on the route.
Trintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3191 posts, RR: 4 Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3157 times:
That is actually a perennial question. AA does have an agent in GEO and has toyed with flying there on occasion but has never actually done so.
GEO is not a particularly high-yield destination and is actually a fairly small travel market. Most of the traffic there is VFR and brand loyalty to BW, which is the largest carrier to it, is very strong. Guyanese airlines such as Guyana Airways and more recently Universal have tried to maintain more direct routes to the US and Canada but have folded for a variety of reasons. To JFK, too, there is NA which has actually been very successful to GEO and has had Guyana as its main scheduled destination for many years. With this combination of carriers to this relatively small destination there is little room for AA though it may well try in the future.
As for PBM, the same is largely true except that Suriname's population is even smaller and the strong, former colonial ties with The Netherlands means that a huge proportion of the travel market from there is to AMS rather than to North America. Suriname Airways and BW provide links to the USA. An AA presence there is even less likely.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31117 posts, RR: 74 Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3027 times:
There is definitley potential for AA to fly MIA-GEO and MIA-PBM, 3x weekly each, as well as MIA-CAY. I don't think we will see it happen soon, but in the more long-term future (3-4 years) it would not surprise me.
MauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2477 posts, RR: 28 Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3011 times:
Why would they wan't to launch MIA-PBM? There arent much flights to PBM, only from Holland because of the Surinam people living here, and there is hardly any toerism business there...
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31117 posts, RR: 74 Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2982 times:
Quoting MauriceB (Reply 3): Why would they wan't to launch MIA-PBM? There arent much flights to PBM, only from Holland because of the Surinam people living here, and there is hardly any toerism business there...
Excellent yields and a sizeable Surinam community in South Florida, plus cargo revenue. Let's say they fly three weekly 738s. The flights average load factor would definitley be low - probably in the high-40s/low-50s, but the yields and cargo revenue could make the flight very profitable. Also, new air links can develop tourism links.
WA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2042 posts, RR: 13 Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2863 times:
Could GEO, PBM, or CAY be served by an American Eagle ATR-72 out of SJU, or are they beyond the ATR-72's range?
Captaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5093 posts, RR: 13 Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2857 times:
Quoting AJMIA (Thread starter): Once BWIA changes their name to Caribbean Star (dumb idea as far as I am concerned) they will loose alot of their brand recognition on the route.
They are changing to Caribbean Airlines, but yes the thought continues, very dumb idea.
While on that AA, could do well with a few flights into GND every week. While a small island, we can sustain a few more carriers, maybe not on a daily flight but 3 times weekly sounds good to me.
SJUSXM From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 271 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2825 times:
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15726 posts, RR: 47 Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2804 times:
I think any two of those three cities (CAY, PBM, GEO) would be one of those rare cases where they'd do well as a roundabout (ie MIA-PBM-GEO-MIA) since they are low load factor markets separately, close together, and somewhat high yield.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31117 posts, RR: 74 Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2767 times:
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 8): I think any two of those three cities (CAY, PBM, GEO) would be one of those rare cases where they'd do well as a roundabout (ie MIA-PBM-GEO-MIA) since they are low load factor markets separately, close together, and somewhat high yield.
Very good point. I agree that a round about could work. GEO, however, can actually do a good job filling a plane, but it is heavily seasonal. I think that AA could serve all three by doing, for example, MIA-GEO-CAY-MIA 2x weekly and MIA-PBM-GEO-MIA 2x weekly, with 738s.
Getting to Cayenne from the US mainland is a huge pain. The quickest way to get there is Air France's MIA-CAY flight, but it is a hopper flight that stops in FDF and PTP. AF's MIA-CAY service is blocked at a longer time than their own CAY-ORY non-stop!
AirFranceJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 475 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2719 times:
With the presence of BW and NA on the JFK-GEO route, don't expect to see AA there anytime soon. The route simply cannot sustain 3 airlines yearround. MIA has a much smaller expatriate population than NYC and it's pretty well served by one airline year round, in this case, BW.
It would probabily take at least one of these airlines dropping out of the picture before AA decides to venture in.
MrPIBB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2700 times:
Quoting Trintocan (Reply 1): To JFK, too, there is NA which has actually been very successful to GEO
Quoting Trintocan (Reply 1): With this combination of carriers to this relatively small destination there is little room for AA though it may well try in the future.
Lets face it, if AA were to start a JFK-GEO route, how long do you think it would take for NA to run yelping for the hills? AA would not consider NA to be much of an obstacle if they wanted to start a route. And for that matter, I doubt this new silly re-incarnation of BW would be much of a problem for AA in any market either. I predict an even bigger AA presence in the Carib area in the very near future with both BW and JM floundering about as they are.
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