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The TSA's Test And Notes In Your Bag  
User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5129 times:

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Screeners at Newark fail to find 'weapons'
Agents got 20 of 22 'devices' past staff
Friday, October 27, 2006
BY RON MARSICO
Star-Ledger Staff

Screeners at Newark Liberty International Airport failed 20 of 22 security tests conducted by undercover U.S. agents last week, missing an array of concealed bombs and guns at checkpoints throughout the hub's three terminals, federal security officials familiar with the results said.

"We can do better, and training is the path to improved performance," said Mark Hatfield Jr., Newark Airport's federal security director, declining to address specifics. "Test results are not a grade or a scorecard; they are a road map to perpetual improvement; any other characterization is simply misleading. We have to challenge ourselves to do better every day and be relentless in that pursuit."

Link to article on NJ.com
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We Can do better??? Yea, strive for perfection - two more!


Test results are not a grade???No screener left behind...

Can't find guns, can't find bombs. But, oh dear TSA, you are so good at finding a 4 oz bottle of Purell.



And those notes in your bag - no, not the note they normally use...

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TSA Security Notebook Left In Passenger's Luggage
Traveler Found It After Flight From Kona

HONOLULU -- A Transportation Security Administration employee mistakenly left a notebook with sensitive security information in a checked piece of luggage at Kona International Airport, KITV has learned.

"It makes me think, 'Hey, what kind of people do we have working at TSA?' Where they just accidentally leave this in a bag?" (the passenger) said.

Link to Hawaii TV Station
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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5114 times:

Quoting FlyingTexan (Thread starter):
Can't find guns, can't find bombs. But, oh dear TSA, you are so good at finding a 4 oz bottle of Purell.

Ha Ha Ha . . . yup, take off those shoes, take out that laptop, screw you if you have hand lotion! Oh my God - the man has chapstick?!!!

You know, how many tubes of chapstick would I and another 150 pax have to mix together to get it to do whatever the fuck the TSA seems to think chapstick does at FL350?

Do you think there's the off chance a hundred Chapstick killers are gonna board the same tomorrow??

Quoting FlyingTexan (Thread starter):
'Hey, what kind of people do we have working at TSA?'

Hell, man, I don't think - I know . . . they're morons. I've never seen a worse bunch. I HAVE to deal with the so I can travel, but otherwise, they are obnoxious, ignorant, and a waste of US$ taxpayer money.

Simply a useless organization.

TSA=THOUSANDS STANDING AROUND = USELESS


User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5106 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
Chapstick

You can have your chapstick now, just have to put it in your freedom baggie.

http://www.tsa.gov/press/happenings/...25_updated_passenger_guidance.shtm


User currently offline764 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5072 times:

Actually I was flying FAR to ORD last week and as usual they did not let me take my water bottle through security (in spite of a doctor's note). They once again failed to miss my razor blades, letter opener and Leatherman tool. They did do "additional screening" on my laptop and made me unbutton my pants (I was stupid enough to ware button-fly jeans...). So yes, my ... is smaller than the TSA guy's and no, I did not bring water aboard, but of course I had the comfort of knowing that I would easily be able to open the pretzel bag on the plane with a choice of sharp objects.

BTW: I don't intentionally bring knives beyond security, but when you travel as much as I do, you end up getting things into the wrong bag.


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5049 times:

One of the TSA thugs at SFO left his handheld induction wand in my carry-on earlier this year. I returned it, which nearly got me arrested.  Yeah sure

User currently offlineRC135U From United States of America, joined May 2005, 293 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4940 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 4):
One of the TSA thugs at SFO left his handheld induction wand in my carry-on earlier this year. I returned it, which nearly got me arrested

OK, now you've got me curious about why your courtesy received such a response.


User currently offline764 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4930 times:

Well, they will just assume that you "tricked" them or "stole" the wand, because of course no TSA employee would be that stupid, would they .......... If I ever find something like that in my bag, it's quietly going into a trash bin inside a paper bag or something

User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7616 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4926 times:

Could do better  Smile

User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13116 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4902 times:

I wish that the TSA would be half as good as security at airports in many other places in the world, especially at TLV, almost all of the EC countries and places like Japan. The known failures of security in tests like we have seen at EWR just makes the terrorists' chances a lot better - I bet when they see these news reports, they have a huge and horrible laugh over it. It also emboldens them to try an attack.
One has to be scared...very scared, with the apparent incompentancy of our TSA. Part of the problem too is the attitude of most people - they want security very tight on the 'other guy in the beard who looks like an terrorist' instead of going after the real potential terrorists like the Richard 'shoe bomber' Reid. They want security, but they want it quick, with no lines and everybody perfect, exemptions to their knife, water bottle as "they are not a terrorists" and of course they don't want to pay for it.
I would trust security at airports like LHR, FRA and the like before I would for almost all USA airports. They have far more professional attitudes and structures, they demand all pax be screened properly and they make sure pax have the right attitude with them. I wouldn't screw around with any of the security people at FRA that's for sure. That is what needs to happen in this country.


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4884 times:

Quoting RC135U (Reply 5):
OK, now you've got me curious about why your courtesy received such a response.

I didn't ask them that. 764's hypothesis seems to be as good as any other.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 8):
I would trust security at airports like LHR, FRA and the like before I would for almost all USA airports. They have far more professional attitudes and structures, they demand all pax be screened properly and they make sure pax have the right attitude with them. I wouldn't screw around with any of the security people at FRA that's for sure. That is what needs to happen in this country.

I haven't been through LHR for about two years, but the security at FRA is a joke. I flew in and out of FRA four times this month. Airport employees flash a badge and then don't get screened at all, carrying though any sort of bags with no inspection whatsoever.


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4861 times:

Quoting FlyingTexan (Thread starter):
Can't find guns, can't find bombs. But, oh dear TSA, you are so good at finding a 4 oz bottle of Purell.

And actually, they aren't at all good at that. During the liquids clamp down, the TSA idiots were johnny on the spot checking female passenger carry on, but let most all of the male passengers go through untouched. I know, because the SO and I got her critical toiletries through by putting them in my carry on, which they didn't touch.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
Hell, man, I don't think - I know . . . they're morons. I've never seen a worse bunch. I HAVE to deal with the so I can travel, but otherwise, they are obnoxious, ignorant, and a waste of US$ taxpayer money.

Simply a useless organization.

TSA=THOUSANDS STANDING AROUND = USELESS

As bad as they are at the airport, you should try dealing with the idiots at TSA headquarters.

[Edited 2006-10-28 16:37:00]

User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4664 times:

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 2):

I knew that, you missed the point of the Knee Jerk over reaction . . .

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 10):
As bad as they are at the airport, you should try dealing with the idiots at TSA headquarters.

Thank you -  no  No.

If I ever have to live and/or work on the East Coast again, it will in an asylum, and I will be delusional . . .


User currently offlineATCme From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4573 times:

Actors! They're all actors. They don't know it (or maybe they do) but all they're doing is making the public "feel" safe flying. You'd think that if the government was just doing a stage production they'd at least try to cover up the blatant in-competencies of the TSA, not send a bunch of undercover cops/ FBI/ CIA/ FAM/ ABC/ 123 to test the system. *stupid bureaucrats*
And the whole baggie thing is stupid, someone could put the same liquid in every 3oz. container in the quart and still have it be legal, so why not allow all liquids?

Back to the topic: I remember my local CBS station placing undercover reporters through security with suspicious stuff a few years ago. Not that much has changed.

ATCme  spin 



I'm from the FAA, and I'm here to help. Really. Yes I'm serious, I'm here to help you.
User currently offlineAlaskaqantas From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 905 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4555 times:

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 2):
You can have your chapstick now, just have to put it in your freedom baggie.

I have a problem with that.
I flew from ANC to PDX last weekend to pick up my new puppy and when i was going through security they asked me if I had lotion, water, gel etc... I was stupid enough to say yes. well I didn't have a plastic bag on me, and I hadn't heard anything about the new rule as I was flying as a non-rev.
The lady at security said that I would have to go find a plastic bag. I asked if there was a place that I could pick some up at the airport and she said "nope" well I'm am only 15 and can't drive and my ride had left.

I was waiting there for the TSA lady to tell me that I could just put it in a container so that I could get through security but that wasn't going to happen. Then a lady that was lining up to go through security got stopped and she showed the TSA that she had her stuff in a plastic bag... well the plastic bag was to big and the lady had to throw away her lotion and put all the other stuff in a smaller bag that she was carrying. The TSA agent asked for the ladies bigger clear bag so that she could confiscate it. well I chimed in at this point because I wanted to get down to PDX, I said that I only had a few things and if I could put them in the big bag. The TSA agent acted like it was a bad thing that she was doing and said "well I guess your not going to be getting out of my way any other way"

so in the end I got through security!

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 4):
One of the TSA thugs at SFO left his handheld induction wand in my carry-on earlier this year. I returned it, which nearly got me arrested.

??what happened??

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 11):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 10):
As bad as they are at the airport, you should try dealing with the idiots at TSA headquarters.

Thank you - No.

haha

We had a VERY ignorant, mean, RACISTS and down right rude Secretary at my school last year, and I was an office aid for the whole year and had to deal with her. NO one, I repeat no one (i.e. students, teachers, parents, admin, the PRINCIPLE) liked her after a while. but the main jest is that she was fired from the Anchorage School district and now works as a TSA... those are the type of people that they are getting.
~Cheers-
~~Kyle H.



to some people the sky is the limit, to aviation enthusiasts, its home!
User currently offlineNonfirm From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 434 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4523 times:

Oh come on everyone they got 2 of the items and for that they probably got a raise.Everyone on that N.J. staff should be proud of the test results. The whole TSA division of the government should be fired. airplane 

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