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User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7101 times:

Following the recent decision to suspend the route between LHR and BOM, BD have since said they are cancelling the route between LHR and JED on 5th and 6th November and using an Icelandair 767 for certain flights in early November from MAN to LAS and BGI.

More details here:

http://www.flybmi.com/bmi/en-gb/trav...mation/newsaffectingtravel.aspx#62

What exactly are BD playing at?!

The press release just states "maintenance" as the reason for the changes. Can anybody provide any more information?


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User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7082 times:

I'm attending a lecture by Sir Michael Bishop on Tuesday, in which he will give us his views on the industry (and bmi in particular). Could be interesting!


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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8344 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7041 times:
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Will he sell to Virgin? IT would make sense to sell at this point in his career.

User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6894 times:

I guess its a case that bmi's long haul aircraft that are still in service need some routine maintenance that can't be done in the downtime the aircraft have (maybe a major check) so they are cancelling a couple of flights to allow for this as they dont have any spare aircraft themselves to cover it - nothing to get too concerned about


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User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6886 times:

My dad is flying on the MAN-LAS flight early november, hope he aint on a 767, though he wont care lol

User currently offlineDebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2423 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6826 times:

This might be the answer:

http://www.flybmi.com/bmi/en-gb/abou...ssreleases.aspx?year=2006&rid=1028

bmi chairman announces introduction of lie-flat beds to A330 fleet

release date: 19/09/2006

- visit marks first anniversary of burgeoning London Heathrow-Riyadh route

Sir Michael Bishop, chairman of bmi, today announced during a visit to Saudi Arabia that lie-flat beds are to be introduced to the business class cabin on all of the airline’s long haul routes...


Thats why! A/C getting premium product...

[Edited 2006-10-28 17:49:16]

User currently offlineHiJazzey From Saudi Arabia, joined Sep 2005, 866 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6672 times:

For BMI's sake I hope they can get JED service back to normal soon. The hajj season starts December.

User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6305 times:

Quoting Sam1987 (Thread starter):
using an Icelandair 767 for certain flights in early November from MAN to LAS and BGI.

Oh, here we go again  Sad

Probably the same rubbish cabin that was on the FI 752 they used last year.....


Lee



Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own
User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6259 times:

I think it may be worse - isn't the Icelandair 767 in a full charter configuration, or does it include some form of 'upper class'?


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User currently offlineBritPilot777 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1075 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6259 times:

I saw that 767 depart 27L today and it kinda threw me for a bit seeing a BD 767 in Star Alliance colours, all makes sense now!

Are all of BD's A330's grounded or just the one?

BP777



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User currently offlineHARLEYF150 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4992 times:

The Maintenance issue with one of the A330's would have been G-WWBM which has a crack in part of the undercarriage and which is still out of service parked on a remote stand at Manchester with the engines covered up however these are the latest acars messages transmitted from that particular aircraft but this aircraft did not operate the BD705 to Chicago on the 25th or the 19th so weather there were some kind of tests being carried out i don't know

ACARS mode: 2 Aircraft reg: G-WWBM [Airbus A330]
Message label: Q0 Block id: 0 Msg no: S00A
Flight id: BD0705 [MAN-ORD] [bmi British Midland/bmibaby]
----------------------------------------------------------[ 25/10/2006 20:12 ]-

ACARS mode: 2 Aircraft reg: G-WWBM [Airbus A330]
Message label: Q0 Block id: 0 Msg no: S00A
Flight id: BD0705 [MAN-ORD] [bmi British Midland/bmibaby]
----------------------------------------------------------[ 20/10/2006 14:58 ]-

ACARS mode: 2 Aircraft reg: G-WWBM [Airbus A330]
Message label: H1 Block id: 4 Msg no: C16G
Flight id: BD0705 [MAN-ORD] [bmi British Midland/bmibaby]
Message content:-
#CFB CARGONOT DISPLAYED,410302;3231205MAINTENANCE STATUS LGCIU 2,410302/FR213134DMC3 1,,,,,,,CPC1(311HL) / DMC3(1WT3),HARD,410302/WN3410010NAV IR 1X2 FAULTNOT DISPLAYED,410402/FR345133AFS 1,DMC2,,,,,,
----------------------------------------------------------[ 19/10/2006 16:28 ]-

ACARS mode: 2 Aircraft reg: G-WWBM [Airbus A330]
Message label: SA Block id: 1 Msg no: S01A
Flight id: BD0000 [] [bmi British Midland/bmibaby]
Message content:-
0EV400312V
----------------------------------------------------------[ 19/10/2006 15:25 ]-

ACARS mode: 2 Aircraft reg: G-WWBM [Airbus A330]
Message label: Q0 Block id: 0 Msg no: S00A
Flight id: BD0000 [] [bmi British Midland/bmibaby]
----------------------------------------------------------[ 10/10/2006 17:40 ]-

ACARS mode: 2 Aircraft reg: G-WWBM [Airbus A330]
Message label: Q0 Block id: 0 Msg no: S00A
Flight id: BD0000 [] [bmi British Midland/bmibaby]
----------------------------------------------------------[ 04/10/2006 16:56 ]-

Both G-WWBD AND G-WWBB have been operating out of Manchester on a daily basis doing the Chicago,Barbados,Antigua,and Las Vegas routes


User currently offlineKevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4867 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 2):
Will he sell to Virgin? IT would make sense to sell at this point in his career.

It would indeed. But I wonder if his pride would allow it; it would be selling his flying crown juwel to his worst competitor (in several areas). And let's face it, SMB has no objective of BD profitability. SK and LH would be willing to sell at virtually any price. In previous threads on a.net recently, several good reasons for a BD/VS merger have been mentioned.

Quoting Humberside (Reply 3):
I guess its a case that bmi's long haul aircraft that are still in service need some routine maintenance that can't be done in the downtime the aircraft have (maybe a major check) so they are cancelling a couple of flights to allow for this as they dont have any spare aircraft themselves to cover it - nothing to get too concerned about

True - not to doom BD's long-haul at all, but wasn't this also what started the BOM cancellation?..

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 8):
I think it may be worse - isn't the Icelandair 767 in a full charter configuration, or does it include some form of 'upper class'?

AFAIK it's in the normal FI config, at least it was when they used it on SFO last summer

Kevin777



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4835 times:

Come on BMI, pull it together, all i keep hearing about is dropped routes, leased aircraft.......what happened to that BMI years back that was constantly winning awards in Europe etc!!!

User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4803 times:

Quoting Sam1987 (Thread starter):
they are cancelling the route between LHR and JED on 5th and 6th November and using an Icelandair 767 for certain flights in early November from MAN to LAS and BGI.

Wasn't that actually this ArkeFly 767?

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Or is FI leasing them a 767 because BD had to return the ArkeFly aircraft?


User currently offlineSpeedbird19 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 449 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4728 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 13):
Wasn't that actually this ArkeFly 767?

No they leased that ages ago, not sure if its gone back now, the Iceland Air 763 TF-FIB is due in to MAN tommorrow.



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User currently offlineAngelairways From United Kingdom, joined Nov 1999, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4463 times:

The maintenance problem was that they found a serious crack during a routine check a few weeks ago.

The crack is said to be located in the rib that supports the landing gear. It is not as simple as replacing the landing gear, as it is in the wing structure.

BMI is working with Airbus to resolve the issue, however they have said they'd be 'lucky' if they can get it flying again by early December.

Hence the cancellation of the Mumbai route and now others as the second A330 is probably due for some checks as well.

Terribly bad luck.


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7124 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4355 times:

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 12):
Come on BMI, pull it together, all i keep hearing about is dropped routes, leased aircraft.......what happened to that BMI years back that was constantly winning awards in Europe etc!!!

Those days are long gone. The writing was on the wall for BOM long before the heavy landing as KSA was getting the 332. India is highly competitive. BD arent good competitors.

BD's long haul problems

Four aircraft, with three different planned configurations (763, 332 high Y, 332 low Y). The airline is too small for such complexity.
Two bases - aircraft spread between LHR and MAN with no shared routes from hubs. The airline is too small for such complexity.
Spread routes - BD's four aircraft operate to four regions (USA, Carribbean, KSA and India) Marketing costs are huge with such a spread - no economies of scale either. The airline is too small for such complexity. EI, for example operates the vast majority of aircraft to one region (east coast USA) - from both DUB and SNN.
Mega Competition - capacity to India has exploded over the last 12 months, with a collapse in yields - especially in Business - on carriers with weaker products. BD cant afford the strategic costs of establishing routes in competitive markets (and they cant afford not to either!)

Quoting Sam1987 (Thread starter):
BD have since said they are cancelling the route between LHR and JED on 5th and 6th November and using an Icelandair 767 for certain flights in early November from MAN to LAS and BGI.

Two day cancellations damage peoples confidence in the airline, but amazing how BD found an aircraft to cover this MX change, but not for BOM. Also amazing how the BOM excuse was that no suitable aircraft could be found to permit quality service... no problems to Vegas!.



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User currently offlineThePRGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4111 times:

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 8):
I think it may be worse - isn't the Icelandair 767 in a full charter configuration, or does it include some form of 'upper class'?

Sir Mike has probably ripped out a few of the Icelandair bucket seats and thrown in a few of his own armchairs, and decorated the cabin in traditional "tory"

Thanks
Alex


User currently offlineBoysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 937 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3896 times:

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 1):
I'm attending a lecture by Sir Michael Bishop on Tuesday,

Please can you give us all an update after Tuesday, should be interesting!


User currently offlineGoMEA From France, joined Jan 2004, 202 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3638 times:

BD flies to RUH only 3x weekly on PH-MCV, high premium config B763. and believe me, they'll drop anything but RUH with the premium cabin always full at a minimum fare of EUR2800.


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User currently offlineLovinitflyboy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3503 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 3):
I guess its a case that bmi's long haul aircraft that are still in service need some routine maintenance that can't be done in the downtime the aircraft have (maybe a major check) so they are cancelling a couple of flights to allow for this as they dont have any spare aircraft themselves to cover it - nothing to get too concerned about

correct! the TUI aircraft is going for some check, thats all! A MAN A330 will be coming to LHR to cover some of the KSA flights and the FI bird will be covering the MAN routes, still not sure why they cancelled 2 of the JED flights though.


User currently offlineDTWAGENT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3456 times:

What kind of problem could BMI have with an A330 that is keeping it out of service for 4 week already and is not expected to be back in service until December???

Chuck


User currently offlineCarledwards From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3110 times:

Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 21):
What kind of problem could BMI have with an A330 that is keeping it out of service for 4 week already and is not expected to be back in service until December???

Chuck

err, it says earlier on in the thread?

Regards



Directoria
User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3062 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 16):
The airline is too small for such complexity.

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Quoting BestWestern (Reply 16):
Two day cancellations damage peoples confidence in the airline

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User currently offlineJetset7E7 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1090 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3005 times:

Quoting HARLEYF150 (Reply 10):
The Maintenance issue with one of the A330's would have been G-WWBM which has a crack in part of the undercarriage and which is still out of service parked on a remote stand at Manchester with the engines covered up

Was inside MyTravel hangar at Manchester on Thursday 26th October, its finally got its turn in the hangar to undergo repair.

As mentioned above FI 763 TF-FIB will be at MAN to cover an A330 going to LHR, to cover for 767 PH-MCV going away for some maintanence checks.

Mark



Retrofitted Blended Winglets - The Future Is On The Wing
User currently offlineNikeshashar From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2723 times:

Just found out that the a/c in question with the underbelly crack is going back to Lufthansa for repairs cos they can handle it.

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