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FL: FLL-ROC/PIT To Resume  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33194 posts, RR: 71
Posted (8 years 1 month 11 hours ago) and read 4281 times:

AirTran will, afterall, resume non-stop Rochester and Pittsburgh service from Fort Lauderdale, albeit at less frequency than before.

Rochester service resumes 21 December 2006 as daily, but will revert to Saturday-only on quickly on 6 January 2006.

Pittsburgh service resumes 17 February 2007 as Saturday-only.

Rochester and Pittsburgh brings to thirteen the total number of destinations served by airTran from Fort Lauderdale: Akron/Canton, Atlanta, Baltimore/Washington, Biloxi/Gulfport, Boston, Detroit, Indianapolis, Newport News/Willaismburg, Philadelphia, Stewart/Newburgh, and White Plains/Westchester County.


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User currently online727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6561 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 8 hours ago) and read 4170 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Rochester and Pittsburgh brings to thirteen the total number of destinations served by airTran from Fort Lauderdale: Akron/Canton, Atlanta, Baltimore/Washington, Biloxi/Gulfport, Boston, Detroit, Indianapolis, Newport News/Willaismburg, Philadelphia, Stewart/Newburgh, and White Plains/Westchester County.

How many of those do they compete with DL?
How many have NO nonstop competition?



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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7522 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 4157 times:

ROC-FLL has no other competition . FL also does daily 717 service to TPA & MCO from ROC. Comair had CR1 service ROC-MCO over the summmer only.


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User currently offlineFLLspoter From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 314 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 6 hours ago) and read 4153 times:

DL has a lot of competition with FL at ATL, BOS nonstop
NW at DTW, IND
US at PHL, PIT



FLL justs gets better and better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33194 posts, RR: 71
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 4 hours ago) and read 4092 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 1):

How many of those do they compete with DL?
How many have NO nonstop competition?

Two compete with Delta, Atlanta and Boston.

There is no other non-stop airline to Akron/Canton, Biloxi/Gulfport, Newport News/Williamsburg, Rochester, and White Plains/Westchester County.

[Edited 2006-10-29 04:31:17]


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User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4002 times:

While I am happy to see FL resuming PIT-FLL, why is it Sat. only? Sat. only is almost pointless in my opinion. I am guessing this flight is operated to help cater to the Cruise industry!


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User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3933 times:

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 5):
Sat. only is almost pointless in my opinion. I am guessing this flight is operated to help cater to the Cruise industry!

That's pretty much it, but Sunday is actually the busiest day at POE/POM. I wonder why they aren't doing Sat and Sun?

Edit: I also see why it's daily for the Holidays. Cruise ships have an eratic schedule that week as the cruises are built around Christmas and New Years. Many of the 7 day cruises become 3-5 day cruises for the holiday. Add the VFR pax and that is why it's daily only that short period of time

[Edited 2006-10-29 21:53:16]

User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2984 posts, RR: 31
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3893 times:

Saturday is usually the weakest day for business travel but among the strongest days for vacation travel. Filling a Florida nonstop on Saturday in winter is like fishing in a barrel, and business demand to Atlanta is lowest on Saturday. So in several instances AirTran trims an Atlanta nonstop and instead sends the plane down to Florida once per week.

User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9262 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3820 times:

I guess we can all count on PIT-FLL service being terminated once again then... Why can't they do two or three times weekly including Saturdays to cater more to the business travelers out of PIT? Or aren't there enough to sustain that kind of service? What kind of equip are they using, and what is the fare?


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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7522 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3803 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 8):
What kind of equip are they using, and what is the fare?

ROC only gets 717's ......



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9262 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3756 times:

Quoting United_Fan (Reply 9):
ROC only gets 717's ......

So does PIT with their 4X 717s and 1X 717 to ATL and MCO respectively. Didn't FL run a 737 on FLL or was that a 717 as well?



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User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7522 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3692 times:

AFAIK,ROC has only gotten 717's ever since FL started here . I know BUF got DC9's . We don't have scheduled NG737 service here,just 300/400/500's and the occasional -200 from Charters like Ryan.


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User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3614 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 10):
So does PIT with their 4X 717s and 1X 717 to ATL and MCO respectively. Didn't FL run a 737 on FLL or was that a 717 as well?

PIT doesn't get B737s from FL unless they are filling in! I heard PIT-ATL might be going to 5 daily flights this winter. This is just a rumor!



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User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4514 posts, RR: 34
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3574 times:

I remain surprised that FL is not restarting ROC-FLL on a daily basis. There is no nonstop competition. As MAH noted in another recent thread, ROC-South Florida has over 270 daily passengers, more than half again as many as fly ROC-TPA which does have an FL nonstop. Maybe JetBlue with its apparently greater market presence and brand loyalty in South Florida could run the route daily with an EMB-190.

I'd like to see an FL 73G in ROC too. I'd guess our best bet for that one, if anything, would be the early-AM ATL flight during the summer. Not likely, IMO, but we can always hope.

Jim



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9262 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3559 times:

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 12):
heard PIT-ATL might be going to 5 daily flights this winter. This is just a rumor!

It would be nice to see this rumor become reality...



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33194 posts, RR: 71
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3554 times:

Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 13):
I remain surprised that FL is not restarting ROC-FLL on a daily basis. There is no nonstop competition. As MAH noted in another recent thread, ROC-South Florida has over 270 daily passengers, more than half again as many as fly ROC-TPA which does have an FL nonstop. Maybe JetBlue with its apparently greater market presence and brand loyalty in South Florida could run the route daily with an EMB-190.

I think the problem is as you hinted, like Southwest and unlike jetBlue, airTran has a weak local cusomter base in South Florida. Despite airTran's non-stop, jetBlue carriers over 30% of FLL-ROC traffic.



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9262 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3547 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
airTran has a weak local cusomter base in South Florida.

Couple that with relatively low O&D to FLL from PIT, and I guess that's why PIT-FLL is Saturday only. That along with the Cruise travelers...



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33194 posts, RR: 71
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3513 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 16):

Couple that with relatively low O&D to FLL from PIT, and I guess that's why PIT-FLL is Saturday only. That along with the Cruise travelers...

O&D is anything but low. South Florida is the 6th largest travel market from Pittsburgh.



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User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3499 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
O&D is anything but low. South Florida is the 6th largest travel market from Pittsburgh.

Hahaha, would never know it with the rather low amount of frequencies we get:

PIT-MIA

American Eagle: (1x daily ERD)

US Airways: (Sat. only service B734----Begins November 4, 2006)

PIT-FLL

US Airways: (1x B734 and 1x A321)

AirTran Airways: (Sat. only service B717---Begins February 17, 2007)



Pittsburgh International: US Airways---160 daily departures! (52 destinations)
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33194 posts, RR: 71
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3482 times:

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 18):
US Airways: (Sat. only service B734----Begins November 4, 2006)

Goes daily 3 January 2007.



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9262 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3444 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):
Goes daily 3 January 2007.

US will do 3X daily PIT-MIA???



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User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3374 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 20):
US will do 3X daily PIT-MIA???

No, PIT-MIA will become once daily B733 service on January 3, 2007. As of November 4, 2006 the service will be Sat. only service using a B734.



Pittsburgh International: US Airways---160 daily departures! (52 destinations)
User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9262 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3311 times:

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 21):
No, PIT-MIA will become once daily B733 service on January 3, 2007. As of November 4, 2006 the service will be Sat. only service using a B734.

Hmmm... Could US be attempting to bring back some mainline service???

A little off topic, but do you or anyone else on here see WN or any other airline adding other FLA markets given that Florida is the 6th largest travel market out of PIT?



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User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3297 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
O&D is anything but low. South Florida is the 6th largest travel market from Pittsburgh.

If you're referring to Air travel market, South Florida does not appear in the top 10 Destinations from PIT. However, MCO (Orlando) is 4th with about 300K annual passengers. So unless you include MCO in South Florida, I'm a little confused as to where you're getting your numbers.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33194 posts, RR: 71
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3296 times:

Quoting Vega (Reply 23):

If you're referring to Air travel market, South Florida does not appear in the top 10 Destinations from PIT. However, MCO (Orlando) is 4th with about 300K annual passengers. So unless you include MCO in South Florida, I'm a little confused as to where you're getting your numbers.

The numbers come straight from DOT. South Florida is three airports - MIA, FLL, and PBI, which makes it the 7th largest Pittsburgh travel market (I made a mistake in saying 6th, because that figure does not combine the five Los Angeles airports).



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25 Vega : Ok, except I do not beleive the DOT combines those airports into one Destination called" South Florida". You're doing it to make a personal point - w
26 MAH4546 : Correct, DOT does not combine the airports into South Florida, each is seperate. They also do not combine the airports in Los Angeles, nor in San Fra
27 Steeler83 : Are there, or will ther be any flights to LGB, BUR, ONT, or Orange County, other than US LAX service?
28 Sflaflight : Yes it is. It is also very problematic from a customer point of view. It is extremely confusing to those of us who live in South Florida and have acc
29 CentPIT : The only California cities served are the following: PIT-LAX (1x A319 and 1x A320) PIT-SFO (1x A319) I don't expect to see any other cities added!
30 Steeler83 : That's what I thought, although I believe there used to be 3 with SAN, which I believe ended not that long ago...
31 N670UW : US flew PIT-SNA for a while with A319's. I think it ended around 2002. They added PHL-SNA for a short while, then dropped SNA altogether.
32 Jdwfloyd : PIT-SNA ran for a long time and was 3x 752s for most of what I can remember.
33 Post contains images Steeler83 : The first flight into the new PIT terminal on the morning of Oct 1st 1992 was a 752 from SAN. I remember seeing it on WTAE Channel 4... I remember th
34 CentPIT : For the pat 3 years, PIT-SAN either hasn't been served, or has been seasonal 1x A319 service.
35 A330323X : At one point, USAir also served PIT-SMF nonstop.
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