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AA To Recall Furlough Pilots Next Month!  
User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7134 posts, RR: 87
Posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4720 times:

10 per month, starting next month (Nov.)

Source: Company email.

Great news AA!  airplane 

25 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4590 times:

Any of them former TW pilots?


An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently onlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2889 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4480 times:

How many pilots are furloughed?

User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4442 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 2):
How many pilots are furloughed?

According to http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/legacy/american.html there are about 2800.

Hmm, maybe in a few years they'll be hiring some new guys off the street.


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4408 times:

Also how many might now come back, might have found new airlines or whole new carriers.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7134 posts, RR: 87
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4408 times:

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 1):
Any of them former TW pilots?

Doubtful.

I know when AA absorbed TW, the pilots coming over from the acquisition went to the bottom of the seniority list at AA.  no 


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7134 posts, RR: 87
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4407 times:

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 4):
Also how many might now come back

AA pilot representives estimated 1:4 on the furlough list will come back if asked.

Source: Company email.


User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4306 times:

Quoting FXramper (Reply 5):
I know when AA absorbed TW, the pilots coming over from the acquisition went to the bottom of the seniority list at AA.

Actually the TWA pilots were slotted in based on a formula giving them something like 1 year of senority at AA for every X number of years at TWA. I don't remember the exact number.

Maybe you confused it with the TWA FA's who were given a hire date which put them ALMOST at the bottom of AA senority they had approximately 1000 AA FA's junior to them (I know cause I'm one of the AA'ers whose senority dropped big time with the aquisiton). PS not trying to start an AA v. TWA thing here. I actually really like all the TWA'ers I've met and don't envy them their crappy luck.


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7504 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4288 times:

Good news for AA, this makes AA and NW recalling pilots, NW recalling all, and now NW is hiring flight attendents, with people within NW, and those who quit, furloughed and such first rights before they go back to hiring publicly.


"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2245 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4280 times:

Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
10 per month, starting next month (Nov.)

They'll be training in EMB. 145 simulators in no time.



There's nothing quite like a tri-jet.
User currently offlineWsan581 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4270 times:

Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 7):
Actually the TWA pilots were slotted in based on a formula giving them something like 1 year of senority at AA for every X number of years at TWA. I don't remember the exact number.

TWA employees received 25% of there seniority....4 years at TWA equaled 1 year at AA.



Blue Skies Ahead!!
User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4213 times:

AA doesn't have emb 145's

User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2245 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4207 times:

Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 11):
AA doesn't have emb 145's

American Eagle is owned by American Airlines. Many new pilots fly for American Eagle for 2-5 yrs before they become First Officer's for AA. This is how it works for Chicago based pilots anyway. Currently American Eagle has 108 EMB. 145's, a far cry from having none at all.



There's nothing quite like a tri-jet.
User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4191 times:

AE is not owned by AA. AE and AA are owned by AMR. You are partially correct before 9/11 many pilots "flowed throught" from AE to AA that is not what will happen to the recalled AA pilots. These pilots are being recalled to AA operations not AE.

User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2245 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4186 times:

They are owned by the same company as you said, therefore I associate American with having the EMB.145, whether it be AA or AE. They operate in the same terminals and many of their employees are intertwined between the two. I guess we will agree to disagree. You are right, callback pilots will go to AA, my mistake. New hires will however start with AE as a friend of mine did prior to the AMR's recent struggles post 9/11.


There's nothing quite like a tri-jet.
User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4171 times:

Sorry, but there is a huge difference between owning a company and being owned by the same company. The relationship between the two airlines is more like that of a vendor relationshipn (although that is not a perfect analogy). The only employees intertwined are either employed by AMR or are outstation gate/ramp employees who are employees of one company but handle ground ops for both. Pilot groups at the respective airlines are completely seperate and in fact represented by different unions. AA has APA and AE has ALPA. Most AA pilots were hired directly into AA where they only ever worked on AA equipment. As I mentioned before prior to 9/11 some pilots started out at AE and took advantage of the flow through agreement that was established between the two seperate airlines. However many pilots found that the flow through was not nessicarily the fastest way to get in to the right seat on AA metal. From anectdotal evidence I heard flow through was pretty slow and could take up to 10 years so it was not a popular option for those gunning for a spot at AA. Have you ever worked for AA or AE?

User currently offlineJjbiv From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4035 times:

AA and AE (MQ) share only a common owner. They operate on separate FAA certificates and, therefore, are separate airlines. End of discussion.

User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4001 times:

SO... per above, it sounds as if some of the pilots could very well be fromer TW pilots. Excellent!


An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineCharlienorth From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1113 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3974 times:

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 12):
Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 11):
AA doesn't have emb 145's

American Eagle is owned by American Airlines. Many new pilots fly for American Eagle for 2-5 yrs before they become First Officer's for AA. This is how it works for Chicago based pilots anyway. Currently American Eagle has 108 EMB. 145's, a far cry from having none at all.

Not really..AA hires pilots,AE hires pilots,the flow through came about as a result of the contract in '97,when an AE pilot went to the RJ they could opt for an AA seniority #,certain conditions had to be met one being they couldn't get the AA number if they were past 50 years old,and only a certain percentage of a new hire class could be AE pilots,also it took much more than 2-3 years to flow-through,must of these guys were hired in the mid to late '80s,the "flow-back" was messy when furloughs started,I know a few TWA guys who wouldn't do it because it would be jumping into a lion's den!


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7134 posts, RR: 87
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3933 times:

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 9):

They'll be training in EMB. 145 simulators in no time.

The recall is for mainline pilots only.

MQ doesn't have pilots on furlough. (3,200 active)

Majority will be S80 crew, and will be upgraded on other metal as necessary.

Don't forget AA is also recalling a portion of flight attendants on extended leave.

Regards.


User currently offlineAA777SJC From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3906 times:

I though AA was cutting capacity. There's certainly a lot less frequency at both SJC and BDL (the airports I happen to care about.) I was under the impression they were parking a handful of the older Shady 80's to cut capacity. Are they just replacing retiring pilots?

User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7134 posts, RR: 87
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3901 times:

Quoting AA777SJC (Reply 20):
Shady 80's to cut capacity

Since 9/11, 26% of S80 crews have bid up on a/c assignments. 738, 752, 762, etc.


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11144 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3834 times:

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 14):
They are owned by the same company as you said, therefore I associate American with having the EMB.145, whether it be AA
or AE.

Like how Kraft Foods and Phillip Morris are both owned by Altria - but the factory workers making cheese and Oreos are not making cigarettes.

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 14):
New hires will however start with AE as a friend of mine did prior to the AMR's recent struggles post 9/11.

Incorrect. AA hires pilots just as Eagle does. There is no requirement that a mainline pilot start out at Eagle first, and AA hires many pilots directly, without them ever flying for Eagle.


User currently offlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2720 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3722 times:

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 9):
They'll be training in EMB. 145 simulators in no time.

Actually, they will be leaving EMB 145 cockpits in no time. The vast majority of the guys that flowed back to Eagle should accept recall. Their seniority at Eagle can't hold a captain's seat. They are only there because of the flow back agreement. If they don't accept recall, they then have to move to the FO seat their seniority would hold at MQ.

The majority of the pilots who didn't flow back probably won't return. Many have moved on to jobs at WN, FX, CO, B6 and others.



It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems with just potatoes.
User currently offlineCharlienorth From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1113 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3718 times:

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 23):
The majority of the pilots who didn't flow back probably won't return. Many have moved on to jobs at WN, FX, CO, B6 and others.

I've been told the return rate at most airlines is about 25%


User currently offlineB777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3689 times:

FWIW, DL is recalling F/A's. The one I know is back in a class now. Will be based out of JFK for the international expansion.

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