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Air Madrid MIA/LAX Update  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3476 times:

As some might have been following, Air Madrid's planned start of Miami and Los Angeles this week did not go as planned. DOT permission was recieved later than hoped for (which is NM's fault more than anybody's, because DOT approval for Air Madrid, while practically guaranteed, was going to take at least four months), and too late to market and launch the flights in time for the winter timetable. Miami flights are tentatively now set to start in April 2007, but plans to fly to Los Angeles have been put on hold indefinitely. This actually can work out for their benefit because the Miami-Madrid route, unlike most Miami-Europe routes, is busiest during the summer months.

Air Madrid also plans to start flights to Asuncion, Santa Cruz de La Sierra, Sao Paulo, and possibly Medellin, in 2007.


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User currently offlineSKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3364 times:

NM is having a lot of problems with the Spanish Aviation Authority, (there is a 330 grounded in BCN) then I don't think they can go forward with its non-realistic americans plan.


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User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3300 times:

I was just wondering about this a day or two ago.. So there was about 5 airlines that were supposedly starting service to MIA this year and only AeroSur's has started.

On the other hand, Air Madrid's ugly white airplanes don't add any real excitement spotting-wise. No big loss Big grin


User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2482 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3279 times:

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 1):
NM is having a lot of problems with the Spanish Aviation Authority, (there is a 330 grounded in BCN) then I don't think they can go forward with its non-realistic americans plan.

On Tuesday, NM's flight to TLC had a 14 hour delay and most of the route network is suffering from delays thanks to two grounded aircraft. Headlines in Spanish newspaper appear every couple of days with angry passengers in MAD trying to take over NM's counter (kind of a war)... so I really don't think NM should be capable of start flying to new destinations when they can't run smooth operations on their current network!


User currently offlineSKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3261 times:

Hi Miamix!

Here in Spain, there are rumors about a possible demise of Air Madrid. If it could happen, I'm sorry for its workers which don't deserve a management with such low credibility. Specially I know people who work at the Air Madrid call center who are insulted every day. It's tremendously unfair see how the workers are paying the bad-tempered of the Air Madrid customers ...who on the other hand, and of course they're right but you don't get any solution on your problems using a hostile language against the person who answer you the phone.

Also, their twins is having problems also with the ETOPS subject (there is info about it in the Spanish Aviation Magazine "Avion Revue" in this Nov. 06 issue)



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26147 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3249 times:

I'm not sure they were ever too confident of starting LAX this fall anyhow, as they failed to apply for airport operating permits and leases which themselves can take a few months to complete.


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User currently offlineTomascubero From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2005, 525 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3248 times:

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 1):
NM is having a lot of problems with the Spanish Aviation Authority, (there is a 330 grounded in BCN) then I don't think they can go forward with its non-realistic americans plan.

Very right my friend, NM is probably going to cease operations before they even consider flying to MIA and LAX these days.

NM is in a really big mess and about 90% of their flights are on a 2 or more hour delay time because of several aircraft grounded. Not so long ago I heard that IYN, IYB, JMF, JIS and JQT were all grounded, SE-RBG repossed by Novair and the EMB-145 was not good either, leaving them with a CRJ-200, a A310 and an A333. IYN, IYB, JQT are back flying along with JTB and D-AILH leaving the A343 and another A333 grounded plus the EMB-145.

I have a friend in NM and I fell sorry for him, he has a lot of tough work and its treated like crap by NM, no human respect at all, time periods can be over 12hrs at times.

They were using 2X 763 and 1X L1011 from Euro Atlantic Airways and are now with only one 763 and L1011 operating the MAD-FOR-EZE route.

I also heard strong rumours of the Spain Aviation Authorities revoking their AOC soon.

I wouldn't be optimistic about them, what a shame another airline goes down the drain for bad management.

Tomas.

[Edited 2006-10-29 05:57:19]

User currently offlineSKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3245 times:

Quoting Rojo (Reply 3):
On Tuesday, NM's flight to TLC had a 14 hour delay

...which is not so much in the NM's average, and this is not a joke.

Quoting Rojo (Reply 3):
Headlines in Spanish newspaper appear every couple of days with angry passengers in MAD trying to take over NM's counter (kind of a war)...


of which counter has a pane to avoid an aggression towards the NM's staff. It's funny as it is more similiar a shop window than an airline's counter.



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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12594 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3222 times:

So, EC-JMF, the former Aer Lingus A330 (EI-SHN) is still stuck in Barcelona? What is the problem with the acft; is it repairable or do they not have the funds to do so?

I guess at this stage, given their problems, they really should be looking at consolidating their existing network and getting their act together, before looking at other options.


User currently offlineTomascubero From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2005, 525 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3193 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 8):
So, EC-JMF, the former Aer Lingus A330 (EI-SHN) is still stuck in Barcelona? What is the problem with the acft; is it repairable or do they not have the funds to do so?

Didn't it belong to Air Algerie or some airline from Africa?


User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3064 times:

Quoting Tomascubero (Reply 9):
Didn't it belong to Air Algerie or some airline from Africa?

Went from Aer Lingus to Air Algerie and then to Air Madrid.



No Vueling No Party
User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3031 times:

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 4):
Hi Miamix!

dimelo tio! welcome back in your new spirit  Smile

I've worked taking calls from "angry customers" before .. never again Big grin

I really feel sorry for the Air Madrid workers in the call center ouch!


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3009 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Air Madrid also plans to start flights to Asuncion, Santa Cruz de La Sierra, Sao Paulo, and possibly Medellin, in 2007.

Sao Paulo is already announced, to begin February 07, 2007 with 2x Weekly flights with A340-300.

NM1951 MAD 1600 GRU 2235 - Friday
NM1952 GRU 0030 MAD 1430 - Saturday

NM1921 MAD 2350 GRU 0625 (+1) - Tuesday
NM1922 GRU 1500 MAD 0500 (+1) - Wednesday

Just thinking, NM could extend the tuesday flight from Sao Paulo to ASU.

Felipe

[Edited 2006-10-29 17:42:50]


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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2991 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 12):
Sao Paulo is already announced, to begin February 07, 2007 with 2x Weekly flights with A340-300.

Well hoping that EC-JIS is no longer grounded by then.

By the way any news on when the second A340-300 will arrive?



No Vueling No Party
User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2930 times:

My niece will fly tomorrow from SJO to MAD with them.

I really hope that she will not have any trouble at all with NM.


User currently offlineIberiaA319 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 574 posts, RR: 38
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2908 times:

Air Madrid still had problems yesterday with an AOG and the delay of another one, two Air Memphis aircrafts were leased (SU-PBD, SU-PBE, both A320) for stranded passengers to TLC.

More info here (in Spanish):

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2006/10/28/madrid/1162048450.html


User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2899 times:

Quoting IberiaA319 (Reply 15):
Air Madrid still had problems yesterday

That's really sad.  Sad


User currently offlineTomascubero From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2005, 525 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2838 times:

Quoting IberiaA319 (Reply 15):
Air Madrid still had problems yesterday with an AOG and the delay of another one, two Air Memphis aircrafts were leased (SU-PBD, SU-PBE, both A320) for stranded passengers to TLC.

Tha's ridiculous, 2 A320's to TLC, what route are they taking? This is insane, they couldn't even lease a single larger plane to move their pax from TLC.

Tomas.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2805 times:

remember a interview of an NM executive in a german aviation newspaper (Aero) some month ago were he was talking about plans to be soon a member of Star Alliance.....

this airline is just a joke.



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User currently offlineSFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2753 times:

I'm flying to MAD in December and I almost booked it with NM. Yet, the bad reviews I read everywhere over the web made me pick IB instead.

What a relief!  relieved 


User currently offlineTomascubero From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2005, 525 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2679 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 18):
remember a interview of an NM executive in a german aviation newspaper (Aero) some month ago were he was talking about plans to be soon a member of Star Alliance.....

 rotfl  They could join the Chapter 11 Alliance, they offer a good deal for airlines like NM.


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