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ATA Recalling Pilots And FAs?  
User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1613 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4011 times:

Heard it through the grapevine, so take it how you will.

150 FAs to be recalled.

45 pilots to be recalled.

TZ has secured 7 DC-10s.

I am just assuming that the pilots will have to go through training before all this happens. I have nothing official, but thought I would put it out there.

M

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User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1451 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3975 times:

The DC-10s are coming so this appears to be correct.


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User currently offlineDetroitflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3895 times:

honestly, where do u train for all these diffent types of type ratings?? i know most pilot training takes place in cessnes, chipmunks, seminoles and tiny aircraft but where do they train for 744, a380, etc


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User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days ago) and read 3882 times:

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 2):
honestly, where do u train for all these diffent types of type ratings?? i know most pilot training takes place in cessnes, chipmunks, seminoles and tiny aircraft but where do they train for 744, a380, etc

Since these pilots are being recalled, they had probably previously been trained on and flew TZ's 737's. These ratings can come from a variety of places. Places like the PanAm Flight Academy train many pilots on the CRJ and ERJ and these pilots get jobs flying these types. As they gain experience, I would think the airline they work for will train them on the next type they will fly.


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3795 times:
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I wonder where the DC-10's will be used. Troop deployments mainly?

User currently offlineDTWAGENT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3745 times:

That is my question to Wedgetail737. Or are they going to open up some long-haul charters to Hawaii this winter?

chuck


User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1451 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3644 times:

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 4):
I wonder where the DC-10's will be used. Troop deployments mainly?



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 4):
That is my question to Wedgetail737. Or are they going to open up some long-haul charters to Hawaii this winter?

Mainly for AMC troop charters, but with 7 active aircraft there will be additional commercial charter work as well. Also, I would not put it beyond the realm of possibility that we would see one on an ocassional scheduled flight. Over the last several years, L-1011s did this, though increasingly rare.



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User currently offlineJjbiv From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3640 times:

The DC-10s are an interim solution to provide lift for the military charter operation until a new widebody can be found (i.e. 767s). The L-1011s are old, expensive to maintain, and becoming more unreliable.

User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3635 times:
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It's too bad ATA doesn't have the money to simply order additional 767's from Boeing.

User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1451 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3609 times:

Quoting Jjbiv (Reply 7):
The DC-10s are an interim solution to provide lift for the military charter operation until a new widebody can be found (i.e. 767s). The L-1011s are old, expensive to maintain, and becoming more unreliable.

Yes, for about a 5 year timeframe until cheaper and more plentiful 763ERs are available, but will not be solely used for military charter. We have been aggressively pursuing additional commercial charter work as well. Some of the DC-10s will actually be older than the current 4 L-1011-500s, but will be much easier to support and maintain simply because Boeing still supports it and there are at least 6-7 times as many still operating (over 200) than L-1011s (fewer than 30).



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User currently offlineATA767 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3445 times:

I would think that 7 DC-10 would require much more than 150 FAs and 45 Pilots. You need about 150 FAs per plane depending on frequency of use and maybe 24 pilots. If ATA did get the 9 (not 7) as it is being said, then they will be recalling a lot more and a lot faster as the planes are brought into the fleet. I heard (rumor) that it might me as soon as june of 2007 for the first one to be brought online..

User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5105 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3434 times:

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 8):
It's too bad ATA doesn't have the money to simply order additional 767's from Boeing.

New build 767s would be too expensive, regardless of ATA's financial condition, to have on property for use in charter service. The capital cost of aircraft like that just sitting around during the periods that they *will* be sitting around would be just devastating. Even in good times and in heavy charter use, the "sit time" for aircraft on charter service, where you must plan to arrive early, is significantly higher than for sked service. Can you have a mix of new-ish high cost aircraft that you will use whenever you have a mission and then some older aircraft that you can afford to have sit? Sure. But if you're trying to build a common-ish fleet of a single-ish type, then you kinda have to pick new or old. The DC10s are a good stopgap, and we'll see what the 767 market looks like in 5 years.


User currently offlineERAUgrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3254 times:

Wonder if therse DC-10s are coming from NW since they are leaving the fleet. Wonder if they will be -10/-30/-50 models?


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User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1613 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks ago) and read 3071 times:

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 12):
Wonder if these DC-10s are coming from NW since they are leaving the fleet. Wonder if they will be -10/-30/-50 models?

From:

N225NW DC10 Last Flight For NW (by Scouse Oct 27 2006 in Civil Aviation)#1

N225NW will be going to ATA (TZ) along with 223, 224, 226, 234, 235, 237, 241, and 242.

Any idea where they will base these ships? Sure there is IND, but there is no longer an F/A base there, not sure about flight deck crew.

M


User currently offlineFlying_727 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 435 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2971 times:

Does anyone know when the DC-10's will enter service, and will we get the full ATA colors?

User currently offlineN908AW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 922 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2871 times:

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 11):
New build 767s would be too expensive, regardless of ATA's financial condition, to have on property for use in charter service. The capital cost of aircraft like that just sitting around during the periods that they *will* be sitting around would be just devastating. Even in good times and in heavy charter use, the "sit time" for aircraft on charter service, where you must plan to arrive early, is significantly higher than for sked service. Can you have a mix of new-ish high cost aircraft that you will use whenever you have a mission and then some older aircraft that you can afford to have sit? Sure. But if you're trying to build a common-ish fleet of a single-ish type, then you kinda have to pick new or old. The DC10s are a good stopgap, and we'll see what the 767 market looks like in 5 years.

Right. The other thing to consider is that the 738 order is what did them in for good before...I don't they'll be too keen to order an entirely new aircraft.



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User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1613 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2718 times:

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 12):
Wonder if therse DC-10s are coming from NW since they are leaving the fleet. Wonder if they will be -10/-30/-50 models?

They are all -30s when I looked up the registrations numbers from my other reply.

I have so many questions about this, but no answers. Guess I will just have to wait until I get a letter or a call from TZ. I am trying to keep my excitement in check.

M


User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4896 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2718 times:

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 2):
honestly, where do u train for all these diffent types of type ratings?? i know most pilot training takes place in cessnes, chipmunks, seminoles and tiny aircraft but where do they train for 744, a380, etc

Simulators...



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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6446 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2571 times:

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 12):
Wonder if therse DC-10s are coming from NW since they are leaving the fleet. Wonder if they will be -10/-30/-50 models?

Northwest never owned 10/50 models only the 30/40 models. The 40's disappeared years ago so they have to be 30's.


User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4995 posts, RR: 28
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2530 times:

Maybe they can pick up some DC-9's too!


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