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Finnair's Next Destination In India: Mumbai  
User currently offlineLordHowe From Finland, joined Jan 2003, 728 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6058 times:

Todays Hufvudstadbladet - the biggest swedish language newspaper in Finland - tells that Finnair's next destination in India will be Mumbai. No details are mentioned. The article just tells about the opening of New Delhi route tomorrow and then says that "the number of weekly flights will later grow to five and another destination Mumbai will be opened." NO source for this information is mentioned.

Regards,
LordHowe


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User currently offlineVirginia From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6040 times:

LordHowe,

According to www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl they are also adding more flights to NRT. Very interesting maybe that new route towards India will be HYD.

We will see, will try to see if my source is willing to give some info.

Virginia


User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1653 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6042 times:

Another european carrier at BOM would great especially now that BD has cancelled services.

User currently offlineLordHowe From Finland, joined Jan 2003, 728 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5999 times:

Quoting Virginia (Reply 1):
they are also adding more flights to NRT

Yes, Finnair has for 25 years been trying to get more slots to NRT, but now they finally got two weekly more. Starting in December 2006 they will fly HEL-NRT-HEL four times weekly with 340-300.

Regards,
LordHowe



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User currently offlineKevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5974 times:

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 2):
Another european carrier at BOM would great especially now that BD has cancelled services.

But competition on BOM is also FIERCE! AFAIK we have 9W (2x), AI, BA (2x), VS, KL/NW, AF, LH, LX, OS and AZ all flying between BOM and Europe. Even with BD's withdrawal, fares to BOM are still ridiculous. Okay, the closest service to HEL-BOM would be via FRA/AMS, but still.. Good luck to AY if they open on BOM, but it's gonna be a b*tch making a rupee on it!

Kevin777



"I was waiting for you at DFW, but you must have been in LUV" CPH-HAM-CPH CR9
User currently offlineEHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5964 times:

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 4):
the closest service to HEL-BOM would be via FRA/AMS,

I'm sure they won't be doing it for O&D traffic, but you're totally right, it must be a bitch of a market in terms of profit margins. I flew AMS-ZRH-BOM RT this summer with LX and it cost me EUR 490 incl. Try beating that AY!



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4480 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5930 times:

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 4):
But competition on BOM is also FIERCE!

Other destinations in India are not much better, ever since the GoI decided to pursue a much more liberal course when it comes to giving out the rights. Secondary destinations like Chennai, Bangalore, Hyderabad and even Kolkata are all seeing multiple carriers to Europe. At the end of the day, Mumbai remains the economical capital of India. It is a logical next step for AY, although I would have expected them to consider additional destinations in China first - something which may still be happening.


User currently offlineKevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5908 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 6):
Other destinations in India are not much better, ever since the GoI decided to pursue a much more liberal course when it comes to giving out the rights. Secondary destinations like Chennai, Bangalore, Hyderabad and even Kolkata are all seeing multiple carriers to Europe.

True - competition is getting fiercer all over India - but nobody says that AY HAS to open up a new route to India at all!..

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 6):
At the end of the day, Mumbai remains the economical capital of India. It is a logical next step for AY, although I would have expected them to consider additional destinations in China first - something which may still be happening.

Yes, but Mumbai is no Singapore, and there are several other important economic centers in India as well, for instance Bangalore and Hyderabad. Don't think BOM is the next "logical" step for AY - now that AY has built up an impressive route map, I reckon it's time for them to built up some substance in it, that is, built up frequencies, before expanding it more.

Kevin777



"I was waiting for you at DFW, but you must have been in LUV" CPH-HAM-CPH CR9
User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1745 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5874 times:

Quoting Virginia (Reply 1):
LordHowe,

Very interesting maybe that new route towards India will be HYD.

Where does it say that in the article????
and I doubt it will be a good idea, even LH is cutting down one flight to HYD.



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User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5603 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 6):

It is a logical next step for AY, although I would have expected them to consider additional destinations in China first - something which may still be happening.

AY has said they are planning to open 1-2 new routes per year in Asia, I guess something is cooking up for autumn 2007, as they will get two new A343s next year. Beside destinations in China and India, also Seoul has been mentioned.
They start flying BKK-KUL in spring and already flying BKK-SIN, could they have some third destination via BKK?


User currently offlineKevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5595 times:

Quoting Andaman (Reply 9):
Beside destinations in China and India, also Seoul has been mentioned.

IMO, Seoul would be a better choice than BOM

Kevin777



"I was waiting for you at DFW, but you must have been in LUV" CPH-HAM-CPH CR9
User currently offlineAI From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5497 times:

they are planning to start BOM from summer of 2007.
this was posted by me sometime back.

RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 29 (by AI Sep 9 2006 in Civil Aviation)?searchid=2980410&s=finnair+to+mumbai#ID2980410

AII


User currently offlineUpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5219 times:

The India-Finland Air Services Agreement states that DEL has to go daily before another route can be opened. So let's wait and see.

By the way, it was OH-LGG who flew the first HEL-DEL flight yesterday (and the first DEL-HEL this morning):


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User currently offlineJr From United States of America, joined May 1999, 966 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5071 times:

MAA could work too, with Nokia having opened multiple bases there n manufacturing, R&D and services. MAA seems poised to slowly but surely overtake Bangalore's role with a lot more open space for growth around the city. Verizon, Ford, Hyundai, Volvo, Nokia are just the first wave of big starters for the city. Will be interesting to see how air traffic grows from there in the near future.


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User currently offlineKevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5004 times:

Quoting Jr (Reply 13):
MAA could work too, with Nokia having opened multiple bases there n manufacturing, R&D and services. MAA seems poised to slowly but surely overtake Bangalore's role with a lot more open space for growth around the city. Verizon, Ford, Hyundai, Volvo, Nokia are just the first wave of big starters for the city. Will be interesting to see how air traffic grows from there in the near future.

True, MAA is probably on the way up. Bangalore has got a lot of problems with infrastructure, political issues etc., that not blocks, but at least slows the economic growth of the city. Not that Chennai is totally free of this, but things are better here AFAIK.

A drawback, however, is that the Chennai area - AFAIK - has a smaller expatriate community in the West, something that destinations like BOM and AMD are relying on for their economy traffic. Chennai is also not the best point of entry if you're going to other parts of India, and lastly tourism in that region is very limited. Not that this would be the most important segment for AY, but it all adds up, and I'm sure that airlines flying to BOM and DEL are happy that there are some tourists aboard each flight filling up empty seats in Y. No offense to any Tamil on a.net!, but Chennai isn't exactly a tourist's dream, AT ALL.... Would on balance expect BOM or HYD before MAA.

Kevin777



"I was waiting for you at DFW, but you must have been in LUV" CPH-HAM-CPH CR9
User currently offlineMEACEDAR From Lebanon, joined Oct 2006, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4984 times:

Do you think they will add any Middle East routes like, DXB? I don't think they fly there. I tried to look for a non-stop flight and I could not find one. Anyways, DXB or maybe AUH. What do you think?

User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1745 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4959 times:

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 14):
A drawback, however, is that the Chennai area - AFAIK - has a smaller expatriate community in the West, something that destinations like BOM and AMD are relying on for their economy traffic.

Not really true, from what I have seen there are more South Indians in the gulf and in the US than people from other parts of India. Carriers like LH, AF and KL which are operating there solely rely on the transatlantic market from South India.

Quoting Jr (Reply 13):
with Nokia having opened multiple bases there n manufacturing, R&D and services.

tell me one thing, does Nokia send an MD11 full of engineers back and forth to Bangalore everyday ? Since when did the presence of one Finnish company become sufficient justification for Finnair to start daily flights to a particular destination? I doubt international aviation works that way.



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User currently offlineKevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4930 times:

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 15):
Do you think they will add any Middle East routes like, DXB? I don't think they fly there. I tried to look for a non-stop flight and I could not find one. Anyways, DXB or maybe AUH. What do you think?

Naaa... not really.. AY relies on feed from Europe to their Asian routes for a great part, and going through HEL to go to the Middle East is not ideal, let alone the overcapacity in the area.... DXB-HEL I could see in the distant future maybe, 330 4x weekly or something, but not AY..

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 16):
Not really true, from what I have seen there are more South Indians in the gulf and in the US than people from other parts of India. Carriers like LH, AF and KL which are operating there solely rely on the transatlantic market from South India

But these are mainly from Kerala, on the South West Coast, not from T.N. BOM, GOI, KCH and BLR are better options for these pax.

Kevin777



"I was waiting for you at DFW, but you must have been in LUV" CPH-HAM-CPH CR9
User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1745 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4921 times:

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 17):
But these are mainly from Kerala, on the South West Coast, not from T.N.

oh no, there are tons of Tamils as well, both in the gulf and in the US.



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User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4917 times:

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 17):
Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 15):
Do you think they will add any Middle East routes like, DXB? I don't think they fly there. I tried to look for a non-stop flight and I could not find one. Anyways, DXB or maybe AUH. What do you think?

No, I can't see that happening. Though they have regular holiday flights (2x week, 752) from HEL to DXB, you can book the seat on their web site.


User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1436 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4918 times:

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 4):
But competition on BOM is also FIERCE! AFAIK we have 9W (2x), AI, BA (2x), VS, KL/NW, AF, LH, LX, OS and AZ all flying between BOM and Europe

And of course the 3 times weekly TK flight from IST  Smile



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User currently offlineBlrBird From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 578 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4885 times:

Quoting Jr (Reply 13):
MAA seems poised to slowly but surely overtake Bangalore's role with a lot more open space for growth around the city.

Is Bangalore land locked city?  Confused



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User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4732 times:

I am not sure how AY is going to get full passenger loads on the HEL-DEL route. Lots of Indians in Helsinki?? They do not have many US destinations for Indians (in the US), JFK is the only one which comes to mind, to connect. If they do codeshare with AA, most people will take the AA 292/293 option from ORD or CO 82/83 option from EWR if the codeshare is with CO.

I am guessing JFK-HEL-DEL routing would do well for them especially during the peak winter months. Hell, I would do it if AY comes to IAD.

Anyhow its always nice to see a new airline in DEL. Good luck AY!



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User currently offlineKevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4714 times:

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 18):
Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 17):
But these are mainly from Kerala, on the South West Coast, not from T.N.

oh no, there are tons of Tamils as well, both in the gulf and in the US.

OK, you win, I am no expert on it as I said.. But for most Tamils BLR is a better point of entry to the state than MAA that's tucked away in the northeast corner..

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 20):
And of course the 3 times weekly TK flight from IST

Of course! Just checking if poeple were awake here!  Smile

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 22):
If they do codeshare with AA,

They do; they also codeshare with their other OW partners.

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 22):
Anyhow its always nice to see a new airline in DEL. Good luck AY!

Always! I also wish them good luck! Can't say I'm not a bit surprised though, would have expected ICN or some adding of frequencies first; or maybe ns to SIN or KUL.

It's not too attractive for JFK-DEL traffic; a 5-hour layover on the way out and an 8-hour one on the way back, but hell with a 60-hour layover it'd still beat AI..!

Before 9-11 SAS operated CPH-DEL (daily or at least close to daily IIRC). CPH-DEL would never be a good O & D market (considering the four Indians living in Denmark), but SK had a lot of connecting traffic from the U.K., that kept the route alive. They could do so, because back then the bilateral between UK and India was very strict, causing very high prices (and thus good yields) on UK-India. Now, the ns UK-India market (espec. LHR-BOM!) is way beyond saturated, so a CPH-DEL route would most likely be a no-go today. Can't help thinking that AY must face some of the same issues now flying HEL-DEL, don't count on the UK-India market to help them out IMO..

Btw, heard froma former intercon guy at SK, that it was an absolute nightmare administationally flying to DEL! The whole operation was corrupt; everyone at the airport and all authorities had to be bribed with free tickets (that they then sold, undercutting SK's prices) and "other stuff", and in the end it also contributed to the decision not to continue with DEL..

Kevin777



"I was waiting for you at DFW, but you must have been in LUV" CPH-HAM-CPH CR9
User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4709 times:

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 22):
I am not sure how AY is going to get full passenger loads on the HEL-DEL route. Lots of Indians in Helsinki?? They do not have many US destinations for Indians (in the US), JFK is the only one which comes to mind, to connect. If they do codeshare with AA, most people will take the AA 292/293 option from ORD or CO 82/83 option from EWR if the codeshare is with CO.

I am guessing JFK-HEL-DEL routing would do well for them especially during the peak winter months. Hell, I would do it if AY comes to IAD.

Anyhow its always nice to see a new airline in DEL. Good luck AY!

Of course it's mostly question of India-Europe transit traffic. Using HEL as a hub is the main point of the Finnair's Asia business. AY said their Delhi route has been selling even better than expected.

Yes, JFK-HEL-DEL looks good on the map, maybe after they have got enough widebodies?


25 Joge : No many Indians in Helsinki or rest of Finland. Was the article mentioning Mumbai as a new route or destination? My guess would be it's just another
26 Post contains images Andaman : Yes, not many Indians in Finland, the ones I have met work for NOKIA. Indians in Finland aren't the point here really No, the possible second Indian
27 Post contains images UpperDeck79 : You can already buy a JFK-HEL-DEL ticket on AY! Expedia.com quotes around $950 for the round-trip - not bad in my opinion. Maybe that could help the
28 Beaucaire : Finnair do clearly target Germany for transfer-passengers to Asia. Their intention is to increase substantially flights from HAM,HAJ,FRA,STR,DUS,NUE a
29 Andaman : Of course, there are just 5,2 milj Finns, AY would never build their Asian network just for Finnish markets. Bangkok route would survive without tran
30 Andaman : You are right. AY's own website shows the price 969$ for JFK-HEL-DEL in November. But as Kevin777 mentioned long layovers (5h&8h) sound no good, it s
31 AirIndia : What about ATQ-HEL-YYZ enuf loads, but does AY have a HEL-YYZ
32 Kevin777 : Are you thinking something like HEL-DEL-BOM? Don't think it would work, adding two hours of flying time to Mumbai and flying half-empty DEL-BOM. Coul
33 UpperDeck79 : So is mine. AY already has a Korean website, too. You are right. But actually AY is also going to add frequencies: two brand new A343s will be in the
34 Kevin777 : ...Haven been given the choice to bet on either DEL or ICN half a year ago, I would also have put my money on ICN... Now that's more like it! PEK and
35 Jaysit : Not many Indians in Austria either. And OS has almost 2 daily widebodies from India to their Vienna hub.
36 Kevin777 : VIE has a much better geographical position to connect people between Europe and BOM/DEL; also the VIE originating market (business and leisure) simp
37 Post contains links HB-IWC : I know quite a few people, most of them very frequent business travelers, who tend to disagree with your statement there. Finnair's new business clas
38 Kevin777 : I was more referring to the routing via HEL (that often saves time) and the easy transfer at HEL (as opposed to a transfer from hell at, say, LHR) -
39 Post contains images Andaman : Yes, HKG was ns last summer and will return that next spring, when they start flying to KUL via BKK. Actually both 3rd and 4th... after some serious
40 Mk777 : OS has good connections from VIE to North America-IAD, JFK and YYZ. All these cities have an enormous Indian population and therefore, would rather t
41 Andaman : Obviously AY's main focus here is in Northern-Europe and it seems DEL is selling well. JFK-HEL-DEL could be a product of it's own in future, with mor
42 Post contains links and images UpperDeck79 : Plus an aircraft that can land on the shorter of the two Narita runways. That's how the 2 departure and 2 landing slots on the longer one could be tu
43 UpperDeck79 : The JFK and DEL flights are now using the same departure and arrival banks, both departing just after 2 p.m. and arriving back early morning. This is
44 Manny : I am flying them in 3 weeks to BOM. I will let you guys know.
45 Jaysit : But Finnair can also target the US market. As far as OS goes, it's going full this winter season to BOM. I know. I tried to get a ticket. No go. I th
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