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Nigerian Airliner Crashed At Abuja Airport  
User currently offlineAlanCHS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 25077 times:

CNN is flashing the news now on it's website

140 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineMxp From Italy, joined Aug 2003, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 25058 times:

I read it now in a italian news. Says hould be an ADC airline aircraft.
Alberto


User currently offlineKevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 25036 times:

A plane from ADC airlines, 100 or so onboard. Anybody knows anything about ADC airlines? Haven't heard of them

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6096420.stm

Kevin777



"I was waiting for you at DFW, but you must have been in LUV" CPH-HAM-CPH CR9
User currently offlineEHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 24987 times:

According to Airfleets.net they have two B732. With the 100 pax the BBC is reporting it must be one of them. Not good at all...

[Edited 2006-10-29 14:05:37]


"Get your facts first. Then you may distort them as much as you please" -- Mark Twain
User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 25000 times:

Any fatalities, if there are R.I.P.

Still think 732's should be taken out of service now they are death traps


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4503 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 24895 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 4):
Still think 732's should be taken out of service now they are death traps

What a silly and absolutely unsubstantiated remark. As with any other aircraft type, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the operating of a B732, if only it is properly maintained.


User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4325 posts, RR: 36
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 24858 times:

ADC Airlines have 4 Boieng 737-200s and a website http://www.adcairlines.com
I was in Nigeria last year to visit family living there. Just around that time were two major aircrashes, the Bellview 737-200 and the Sosoliso DC-9.
It's a pity the safety didn't improve and there is yet another big aircrash, while Nigerias domestic flight volume is smaller then let's say Italy, South Africa or Thailand.

The foreign community is told by the companies and ambassies to try and stick to Virgin Nigeria and Aerocontracors (ACN).

Chanchangi, IRS and Bellview have some doubts but you can take them AYOR.

ADC, Sosoliso, Dasab, EAS, Space World and Fresh Air are told to be avoided.

[Edited 2006-10-29 14:13:33]


nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
User currently offlineFJWH From Netherlands, joined May 2004, 969 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 24840 times:

Indeed@ HB-IWC.


http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/africa.../nigeria.plane.crash.ap/index.html CNN story



FlightS in the next 3 months: MSP, PHX, MEM, NCE, TFS, BCN. All round trips from AMS
User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 24788 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 6):

Yes if maintained properly but half of them aren't and the ones that are stil are more likely to go wrong than you brand new 738 or any 738 for that matter. Its scary that airlines still operate them. I for one would be quite uncomfortable on a 732 nowadays


User currently offlineKelebek From Austria, joined Oct 2006, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 24722 times:

Just want to add, what
Austrian National TV reports and what wasn't already reported by CNN.
(see http://www.orf.at/?href=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.orf.at%2Fticker%2F234056.html - sorry just avaliable in German)

> plane crashed shortly after take-off.
> Flight from Lagos to Sokoto with stop in Abuja for letting some PAX go off the plane.

hope for many survivors,
r.i.p to all victims

[Edited 2006-10-29 14:19:33]

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 24631 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 10):

Yes if maintained properly but half of them aren't and the ones that are stil are more likely to go wrong than you brand new 738 or any 738 for that matter. Its scary that airlines still operate them. I for one would be quite uncomfortable on a 732 nowadays

Huh?

This is all about maintainance and operations......not the age of the aircraft. Even the newest airplane, if not properly maintained and not properly operated (ie, overloaded) is a disaster waiting to happen. Its regulation and standards of commerical aviation in Nigeria (or lack thereof) is becoming a issue, more and more>

I would not hesitate to jump onboard a 35+ year old DC9 operated by NW, but I would think twice about flying a newly delivered A32X or 737NG operated by some carriers.


User currently offlineKelebek From Austria, joined Oct 2006, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 24628 times:

UPDATE:

they just added:

"Kurz nach dem Abheben verlor die Maschine das Gleichgewicht und stürzte ab", sagte ein Mitarbeiter der Luftfahrtindustrie in Lagos. Nach ersten Berichten lokaler Medien fing die Maschine Feuer. Erste Suchmannschaften vor Ort fanden keine Überlebenden."

i just translate the basic information of this statement to english:
>"Shortly after Take-off the aircraft lost balance and droped down."-
According to a Employee of Flight-Industry in Lagos.
>Local Media was reporting the A/C got fire.
>First Search-Troops weren't able to find any survivors yet.


PS. Source is again: http://www.orf.at/?href=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.orf.at%2Fticker%2F234056.html

[Edited 2006-10-29 14:24:01]

User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 24638 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 12):

True but I would still be happier on a BA A320 than a BA 732 if you see what I mean, no matter how well maintained, I would still rather be on a well maintained A320/738

I would rather be on a NW A319 than a NW DC9

Get my point


User currently offlineEurostarVA From Bahrain, joined May 2002, 1296 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 24524 times:

ADC Airlines suffered crashes in 1994 (3 fatalities), 1995, 1996 (130 fatalities), 1999 (1 fatality), and now 2006 (? fatalities).

This airline which once operated 727-200s, ATR42, and BaC 1-11 recently attempted to increase its capital base by selling additional shares on the Nigerian Stock Exchange (last month). This was meant to provide finance for the purchase of 4 737-300s, restoration of the airline's west african flight network, and to comply with Nigeria's new minimum airline capitalization requirements.

I think that with this latest accident, and increased competition from Virgin Nigeria, Arik, Aero, etc. this airline is bound to become HISTORY once and for all (The airline shut down between 2000 and 2003 for restructuring).



If there is a will, there is a way
User currently offlineOV735 From Estonia, joined Jan 2004, 909 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 24320 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 4):
Still think 732's should be taken out of service now they are death traps

A brand new 737NG would be a death trap, if it's not maintained and operated in accordance to correct procedures. Quite a silly statement to make, honestly.

Quoting BA787 (Reply 14):
I would rather be on a NW A319 than a NW DC9

Get my point

I'd rather go with proven oldschool tech than with the modern composite aircraft where the silicone makes most of the decisions for the pilots.

Get my point?

Hoping for survivors.


User currently offlineLetsgetwet From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 24189 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 14):
True but I would still be happier on a BA A320 than a BA 732 if you see what I mean, no matter how well maintained, I would still rather be on a well maintained A320/738

I would rather be on a NW A319 than a NW DC9

Get my point

Your point is not valid.
For that matter, I would rather be on ANY A320 or 738 that wasn't BA. (Just a personal thing)


User currently offlineKiwelumo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 24139 times:

Competition is becoming intense in Nigerian Domestic Aviation as new and better capitalized airlines such as Virgin Nigeria, Aero and Arik (which starts revenue service tommorrow) force out the smaller less capitalized players like ADC, Chanchangi, EAS (now Nicon). As a Nigerian-American, I am deeply distressed by this crash and I am praying that there are survivors amongst the 104 souls on board.

Despite this setback, Aviation in Nigeria is improving by the day thanks to the Government waking up to it's responsibilities and Virgin Nigeria/Aero/Arik Air which are bringing back professinalism, crew training, intergrity and accountability to the Aviation Industry in Nigeria. It is almost a year since the Bellview crash in which I lost someone who had dated as a teenager.

A lot has improved in Nigeria. Imagine Italy in the 1970's before the deregulation. Imagine that Alitalia suddenly folded because of gross incompetence and mismanagement. Now imagine the appearance of scores of airlines attempting to fill the void without proper State supervision and regulations (sort of a free market with no rules and lots of corruption). This was the situation in Nigeria between 1995 and 2003. There has been a seismic level of improvement in Nigerian Aviation and a lot more is in progress.

I have visited Nigeria 5 times this year and have flown around the country mostly with Virgin Nigeria, Bellview and Aero. In the coming months, I will be uploading photos that give credence to the changing and improving situation in Nigeria Aviation.

May the souls of those who have departed rest in peace, Amen. I am proud of A.Net, proud to be a member of this august body of gentlemen and Ladies. I am incredibly impressed with the speed that news is captured by members and quickly dessiminated. I had just gotten 4 phone calls (1 from Abuja and 3 from Lagos) on this crash and I came to post it on A.NET only to find high quality and accurate info already circulating.

I thank you all and most importantly the thread starter AlanCHS.

Ken Iwelumo


User currently offlinePilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 23962 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 4):
Still think 732's should be taken out of service now they are death traps

as a 737 pilot, im going to pretend you didnt say that...

Quoting BA787 (Reply 14):
True but I would still be happier on a BA A320

like the BA A320 that lost all electronics and circled in partial darkness...

shit happens to any plane...



The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
User currently offlineSpeedbirdie From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 916 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 23839 times:

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 22):
like the BA A320 that lost all electronics and circled in partial darkness...

The 319 you mean? G-EUOB for your info..



Never give up..
User currently offlineDTWAGENT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 23780 times:

May God be with those who lost their lives and the Families that are involved.

Chuck


User currently offlineThePRGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 24337 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 4):
Still think 732's should be taken out of service now they are death traps

I'm sure you would be very happy to fly on a UK Charter config 757 which was built in the early 80s. Maybe you are not aware that many 732s and 727s were built in the same period!
Thanks
Alex


User currently offlineViasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 24267 times:

Quoting EHHO (Reply 3):
According to Airfleets.net they have two B732.



Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 7):
ADC Airlines have 4 Boieng 737-200s and a website http://www.adcairlines.com

And we say that they have three B737-200. http://www.ch-aviation.ch/aircraft.php?search=set&airline=Z7&al_op=1 In totall they had four B732 - two former US Airways, and two former Ansett New Zealand aircraft. One of the Ansett 737 was scrapped some times before.

To our datebase, the have lost one B727-200 and two DC-9-30 before... not the safest airline from Nigeria (and Nigeria is itself not very safe to fly).


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13092 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 24206 times:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6096420.stm
The above link is to the BBC website. The crash happened shortly after takeoff, was about 100 people aboard and occurred during a storm. There is some hope for some survivors.
That it occurred during a storm could negate the suggestions of some of the posters above already asserting the cause of this accident on the age, condition or maintenance of the aircraft involved, may have been overloaded and so on. The pilots could have been given bad weather info, were inexperienced in such conditions, under pressure to get going, had poor training or just used poor judgment. ATC could have screwed it up too. So let us wait for a preliminary investigation before we assert blame.
Let us hope for survivors.


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 23922 times:

Alas, with ADC it was a matter of time before something like this happened again. As so many here have pointed out, the non-Virgin/Aero carriers (and maybe Arik soon) simply have a "different" set of standards.

User currently offlineFlyabunch From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 517 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 23416 times:

Whenever one of these African crashes occur, I hear a lot about old planes and/or maintenance. What I don't hear much about is crew competence and training. Should we not also include crew factor in any discussion?

And, speaking of crew, ground crew competence seems to be an issue to with load balance, etc.

Mike


25 Kiwelumo : This is ADC's second crash in the last 10 years. It is a dinosaur as far as aviation in Nigeria is concerned. No matter who is at fault, I doubt that
26 Post contains images Mandala499 : Condolensces to the victims... Another 732 bites the dust Oh no... not again! Would you rather fly a NW DC9 or a "Gumbo Air" 738? I know which one I w
27 Timboflier215 : BBC say that its a 727, but I guess that could well be wrong. They are also saying several high ranking people, including senators and the leader of N
28 Abrelosojos : The first reaction I had as I screamed it out ... "AGAIN". Really sad. RIP. -A.
29 Post contains links KL577 : I currently live in Kano and was planning to sign up to A.net today, of course not knowing it was going to be a very sad day for Nigerian Aviation (ag
30 Kevin777 : A sad day to join, yes. But welcome to a.net. Kevin777
31 LawnDart : With all the conversation about old and/or poorly maintained aircraft flown in "third world" countries, did anyone notice the BBC report indicated wea
32 PDXtriple7 : CNN now says 7 being treated and 97 feared dead.
33 MIAMIx707 : but maybe in some other country the airplane might have been delayed due to weather and advised not to take off.. However, I still don't buy the "old
34 F9Animal : The 737-200 is a tank in my book. They are tough, and can last another 20 years if they are maintained well. The death trap part is partly due to poo
35 AA777223 : Doesn't even DL still fly a few 732s? Granted, I know their standards of maintenance would be better than some, but I think they still have a few, or
36 TheSorcerer : You seem to be well informed. When did they turn into death traps? Because i was on a 732 last year and we landed without any injuries. Dominic
37 NA : Delta has retired its last 732 in september. Very, very recently indeed. My last flight in a 732 was back in 1994 with AMC of Egypt, and it was the wo
38 VivaGunners : How sad... RIP to all the victims
39 Cumulus : Irrelevant. I think it's a combination of a few factors here. The 732 is very old now and needs a lot of maintenance, there are still some 732 here i
40 Mandala499 : NA, I think it should start with the regulatory body in the case of Nigeria... If one small airline there gets a jackpot and starts operating factory
41 Post contains images NIKV69 : This statement is foolish. Area 51 ferries their workers in 732s and those things are in the air constantly. Maintain them and watch the airframe and
42 777ER : What a totally pathitic remark. Oh no then everyone better avoid NW and their DC9s, AAs mad dogs, UAs B733s and ever other airline with an old fleet.
43 Supa7E7 : Yahoo is reporting the aircraft a "23 year old Boeing 737-2B7". Former USAir aircraft... wishing peace for the victims.
44 Post contains links TACAA320 : http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayA...d_October1100.xml§ion=theworld
45 Fly-K : So it's 5N-BFJ or -BFK.
46 Post contains links Alessandro : Seem like 100 of the 104 onboard lost their lives, amazing that anyone survived when you see the wreckage, http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.j...=148
47 Post contains links DeC : Photo from the crash site, showing the tail section: http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...00/jpg/_42253212_planecrash203.jpg
48 NA : Likely to be 5N-BFK or 5N-BFJ. Two other 732s of ADC are ex-Britannia. I don´t know if they have more active.
49 Post contains images OPNLguy : A couple of hypothetical scenarios... 1. Take a 25-year old 737-200, overload it to 20,000 lbs over max. takeoff weight, and load too much in the aft
50 Alessandro : See my post below...[Edited 2006-10-29 20:21:15]
51 Post contains links Alessandro : Seem like 5N-BFK, see http://www.dn.se/content/1/c6/58/44/49/NIGetta202.jpg Found one pic in the database, http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0706486
52 Post contains links and images AndrewUber : MSNBC is saying there were no survivors. Looks like a prominant local muslim leader was on board as well. Our thoughts and prayers go to all families
53 Post contains links and images Jfidler : My thoughts go out to all the families of the victims. The debate about regions or areas where it is less safe to fly is interesting. I decided to see
54 Post contains images PillowTester : Whoa! It didn't take the media long to get pictures of this one: Very sad   EDIT: Fox news says 6 survivors.[Edited 2006-10-29 20:38:02]
55 Post contains links RIXrat : Including today's crash, since 1992 Nigeria has had nine major airplane crashes in which about 860 passengers, flight crew, and those on the ground pe
56 Flybyguy : The poor state of the Nigerian Aviation industry tarnishes the reputation of African airlines from other nations that have made valiant and fruitful e
57 Post contains links Alessandro : More about the crash here, http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20061029-0
58 A3 : Well said !!! Mercy !!! I wander how even on this forum people don't even bother to check if an aircraft is well maintained but just jump to conclusi
59 Post contains images Cs03 : Good point.
60 Post contains links and images CO7e7 : a photo of 5N-BFK taken in Oct. 2004 RIP View Large View MediumPhoto © Paul Morley -Zaki
61 EbbUK : Loss of life is always hard to take. With this crash, invariably these will be lives of professionals, an absolute necesity in all nations as they are
62 Thomson735 : African Aviation is in a mess, they dnt seem to care about Maintannece Bar a few airlines, as longs the cash is coming there happy Also with the 732,
63 Scarebus03 : It's Nigeria and after spending some time in Lagos I can assure you if it's maintained the local way it is definitely not "well maintained". The Nige
64 Philmarin : IT'S (was!) 5N-BFK (from a photo in Spanish e.press : elmundo.es, main page).
65 RIXrat : Getting back to the air crash, the latest Reuters report says 99 dead and seven survivors, one in critical. The plane went down two kilometers from ta
66 Acabgd : A B727, 5N-BBF, from ADC has been left in Belgrade for several years now. It was sent to JAT Airways in BEG for maintenance, but the company defaulted
67 Post contains images Lightsaber : I feel for the families of the deceased. They could outlast the DC-3 if the maintenance is done right. But let's think a minute... can you cut corners
68 Post contains images Airfoilsguy : I can't believe that so much of this thread has been dedicated to arguing the merits of a remark from a teenager. When someone makes such an asinine
69 Post contains images YVRLTN : I bet most Brits have flown with ZB at some time - check out the age of 752's G-MONB, C & D - all 1983... I flew a KQ 732 last year - ok, it didnt lo
70 Qantas787 : Look at the statistics for flying and crashes thru the years and your statement doesn't add up. If planes still crashed at the same rate as the sixti
71 PillowTester : Yes, and have done so many times and would like to do it again before they're all gone. Very solid aircraft.
72 Philb : 5N-BFK received maintenance at Shannon in 2005, not sure if it was Lufthansa Tecknik or Atlanta Air who carried out the work - or what the work entail
73 Philb : 5N-BEE was also worked on and I've just checked that the work on both was carried out by Air Atlanta Engineering (error in last post).
74 Exc47 : What gives you the base to state this ? Agree 100%
75 Sevenforeseven : The 737 that went down was 5N-BFK. May all that lost thier lifes on her RIP.
76 Post contains links and images Leezyjet : Here are a couple of pictures I took earlier in the year (quality not great due to cr@p camera and taken from a moving vehicle through the window) :-
77 NA : The one in your photos is 5N-BED, a former Britannia aircraft. Seems like its withdrawn from use at least since one year ago (judging by the "lawn" gr
78 Etops1 : this aircraft use to be a former usairways metrojet plane. N279AU. i am very sure i have worked this plane when we had it at airways.
79 Airfoilsguy : He is a teenager, he dosen't have a base yet.
80 DeltaJet757 : What an irresponsible, nonsensical & absurd thing to say. What's wrong with 732's? I flown on them many times and always felt safe on them. All you h
81 Steeler83 : Yes, I agree with this as well. That goes for pretty much any aircraft, whether it's one year old or 31 years old... When that AA DC10 crashed after
82 Post contains images DavestanKSAN :   May the passengers RIP. Thoughts and prayers to their families. Let's hope the survivors come through okay. Dave[Edited 2006-10-30 05:31:51]
83 UK_Dispatcher : It makes my blood boil every time I read a comment like this. There is nothing unsafe about a B732. What makes some older aircraft unsafe is not the
84 Qantas787 : Every 732 ever built will have crashed and everyone on this site will continue to say, as long as they are maintained they'll be safe!
85 Joffie : Another 732 Down, the lady on the news reported a 727, but what do they know? Always sad to hear something like this, but Nigeria really does have som
86 ComeAndGo : That explains why SQ gets rid of 10 year old aircraft. If new planes were as unreliable as old planes, why do airlines buy new aircraft. What do we n
87 Post contains links KL577 : Thanks In fact the final report of the Sosoliso crash was presented a few weeks ago (bad weather and pilot error): http://www.independentngonline.com
88 HAWK21M : Whats your Justification.If Maintained Properly the B732 is an Excellent craft. regds MEL
89 PanHAM : because they can afford it. Under 10 years you will have less maintenance cost per hour. With SQ's credit rating and cash flow, the capital costs are
90 Legoguy : There are many comments regarding the safety of the 737-200. And there are many correct answers where if the aircraft is properly maintained then it w
91 Joffie : I will answer this...feel free to flame. SQ likes to get rid of 10 year old AC according to yourself, because a newer plane is more fuel efficient ec
92 PanHAM : the logic is, that if they cannot maintain an old aircraft, they cannot maintain a new one either. Maintain in the double sense since an airline like
93 EurostarVA : I can tell you with utmost confidence that most accidents in Nigeria in the past 10 years were caused PRIMARILY by human factor, followed by or in co
94 AsoRock : I believe the CVR, which was recovered already, will reveal the exact communication exchanged between the Tower and the ADC Airlines pilots. To add m
95 Thomson735 : A question, with a sefety record like ADC, why the hell are these companies not just shut down, they are the real death traps RIP all onboard god bles
96 Eurostarva : In fact, ADC's Air Operator Certificate has JUST been revoked. Many more measures will have to be implemented to ensure this does not happen again. Fo
97 UK_Dispatcher : That is because it is true. I assume you are saying that despite the fact that they are maintained, they will still be unsafe. If so, do please elabo
98 HAWK21M : Whats the Regulatory Authority like in these countries.Where cost of Mx is considered not important. regds MEL
99 Mandala499 : I'd rather be in a 732 fresh from C or D checks than a 738 that's nearing those checks. If the aircraft is maintained properly, no parts used exceedin
100 Post contains links Alessandro : This site claim it was weather related, http://www.champion-newspapers.com/news/article_1.htm 2 other airlines had cancelled their flights due to the
101 AirEMS : The News Media Go Figure (from AOL.Com) Nigerian state radio reported that the Boeing 727 was en route to Sokoto, Nigeria, when it crashed shortly aft
102 KL577 : I find it very hard to believe that a professional pilot would ignore warnings by ATC and take off, risking his own and other lives. I have read this
103 DeC : Remember the Tenerife disaster?
104 David L : But that was a mistake. No ATC instructions were deliberately ignored at Tenerife.
105 Qantas787 : See.
106 YVRLTN : Exactly. Just because an aircraft is new it doesnt mean it looks after itself, though of course there will be less wear and tear. And I would add to
107 Steeler83 : Good point. If they can't even properly maintain an old, out dated 732, then how can they properly maintain a more advanced, complex piece of machine
108 MIAMIx707 : ADC has one ugly paintscheme. While I love older jets, i'd be scared to board one with a cheap and ugly colors such as ADC's 737s. If they don't bothe
109 DeltaJet757 : Why is it that the old planes have to crash and burn. It seems that airlines don't care so much about older aircraft when they care more about the new
110 Post contains links DeC : "The KLM flight was then cleared to backtrack runway 12 and make a 180deg. turn at the end. Three minutes later (at 17:02) Pan Am 1736 was cleared to
111 Soups : Out of subject but MEA yesterday flight could not land in Lagos due to heavy rain, the A330 routing BEY-LOS-ACC-ABJ-LOS-BEY. circled above LOS for an
112 EurostarVA : The problem at most Nigerian airports during the rainy season is not so much the rain as it is aquaplanning and and accumulation of rubber on the poor
113 David L : I think you've missed my point. The KLM Captain thought they'd been cleared to take off and he thought the runway was clear. He got it wrong in the c
114 AsoRock : A detailed account (on tape supplied by Abuja Tower) of the final moments of ADC Flight 053 (Full article on the Nigerian Guardian Newspaper Online):
115 Post contains links KL577 : Please check your sources: the article does not claim to be a print-out of the tapes from Abuja tower. In fact the Guardian is doing a good job in ma
116 David L : So there's no claim that the crew took off "without clearance", just that ATC weren't convinced it was a good idea.
117 Post contains links KL577 : An article from the Vanguard reports the following: A WAR of words is brewing between the Ministry of Aviation and the National Association of Aircraf
118 QatarA340 : My condolences to all Nigerials bc of this disaster. Following the Bellview diaster last year (or this year??) didn't the government ban all 737-200 f
119 Post contains links EurostarVA : The intrigue never ends: "...President Olusegun Obasanjo has ordered the arrest of three officials of the Nigeria Civil Aviation Authority (NCAA) for
120 Alibo5NGN : A miracle in the midst of sorrow! Three sisters were amongst the 8 survivors of the ADC Airlines crash. They are the daughters of Alhaji Idris, the Go
121 QatarA340 : It could be an attempted murder or an purposefl crash since the Muslim leader was there in the plane!! Did anyone think of that?
122 Airfoilsguy : What did he want them to do, run out on the runway and block their takeoff?
123 David L : I'm sure a few have thought of that, given that they look for bombs and shoot-downs every time there's an accident. But seriously, that seems like a
124 Post contains images Alibo5NGN : Nigerians of all shades and religious beliefs are not into suicide. Hope runneth eternal as all Nigerians share a feverent hope that one day their tu
125 Post contains links KL577 : Please let Nigeria be relieved from their aviation minister: (from http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/news/article03) ...... "The minister's statement was
126 Post contains images Mandala499 : See what? That the age of the aircraft probably has nothing to do with the aircraft? I agree entirely, there's an airline here who's turned the 733/4
127 Post contains images David L : I didn't really want to get too heavily into the Tenerife crash (so much for that idea ) but the point I was making is that it's not an example of a
128 Post contains images Mandala499 : No worries DaveL, I was just emphasising your point... Mandala499
129 Post contains images Leezyjet : Knowing the way things work in Nigeria, the Government will spout off how they are doing this, that and the other whilst in reality doing very little.
130 MIAMIx707 : No, it seems you're the only one who thinks that. So is it true that the pilot said "only Allah/God is control" to himself or the tower? If so religi
131 KL577 : No official prints from the cockpit voice recorder or Abuja tower have been released. Everything which has been mentioned so far on the contacts betw
132 Post contains links EurostarVA : ADK 053 / Abuja Tower Conversation Transcript Source: www.ngrguardiannews.com --------------------------------------------------------------- Time Sta
133 Post contains links DeC : Two more pictures from the crash site: http://media2.liveleak.com/2006/Oct/31/LiveLeak-dot-com-9973-1.jpg http://media2.liveleak.com/2006/Oct/31/LiveL
134 Post contains images Leezyjet : From those wind reports, and the reports of CB's in the area at the time, it sounds like they may have encountered windshear on take-off. The wind cha
135 Cobra27 : OK which 737NG crashed, exepct midair collision and that Southwest accident? And newly delivered A320? ghhh...
136 EurostarVA : Leezyjet, Probably (and underline probably) a stall had occured due to the windshear and lack(?) of attitude+speed compensation by ADC crew. The lound
137 KL577 : This seems like a take-off clearance to me. So the minister has been telling plain lies?
138 Post contains images Leezyjet : Could be a compressor stall ??. If that happened at the same time they got windshear.............well we know the result. Maybe they got windshear, o
139 Post contains images David L : Fair enough, I just wanted to clarify your use of the word "probably" here: We're on the same wavelength.
140 Post contains links MIAMIx707 : So where did they get the "god is in control thing"? Couldn't the captain have guessed the rapidly changing winds coudl be due to a microburst and do
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