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Air Madrid- 20 Hours For MAD-PMI....  
User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4967 times:

A flight from Madrid to Palma de Mallorca on Air Madrid converted into a nightmare for the passengers..
Since weather did not allow a landing in PMI,the plane landed on the neighbouring island of Menorca.But persistent fog made the plane leave for Valencia,where a lack of hotel-rooms obliged the passengers to stay onboard overnight !!!!!
After another trip via Madrid and Ibiza the passengers finally arrived in PMI after 20 hours...
Not a great publicity for Air Madrid,who has been in the press several times due to shortage of aircraft,delays and other incidents.


http://focus.msn.de/reisen/trends-se...adrid-nach-mallorca_nid_38319.html


Please respect animals - don't eat them...
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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3766 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4954 times:

Oh the joys of Air Madrid  Wink

I'm suprised they had to stay on board overnight, any idea what the aircraft was?

I once tried booking a flight from BCN to MAD on Air Madrid, they tried flying me via BOG  Yeah sure  Wink

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineSKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4916 times:

This airline, could be the World's worst airline. At least it's within European Union.

And José Luis Carrillo, Air Madrid's CEO says "Estamos sufriendo la mala propaganda que se nos está haciendo de una forma intencionada" (We suffer a deliberate bad press)

If you can speak Spanish try this, an "interview" with this guy:
http://www.aeropuertosarg.com.ar/losforos/index.php?topic=5525.0



Time flies! Enjoy life!
User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4915 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 1):
once tried booking a flight from BCN to MAD on Air Madrid, they tried flying me via BOG

Wow......sometimes I wonder i fthere's any room for surprises in this world, until this kind of things comes up. On the other hand, if you run with some luck, it could be faster going thru BOG........you never know with NM.

NM has indeed gone through a huge load of bad publicity this lasts weeks, and theres a few threads on this forum on some incidents, including flights to BOG and EZE.

Cheers


JAAH



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4874 times:

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 2):
This airline, could be the World's worst airline. At least it's within European Union.

No, it could not be. It is one of the worst airlines in the World.

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 2):
José Luis Carrillo, Air Madrid's CEO says "Estamos sufriendo la mala propaganda que se nos está haciendo de una forma intencionada"

I think we all know that's total BS. The only bad publicity NM has comes from themselves and their screwed up flight operations.


User currently offlineIberia340600 From Spain, joined Oct 2003, 804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4798 times:

To add to the problems... I just came back from Barcelona yesterday and read in the paper that one of Air Madrid's flights from BCN-EZE has been delayed since Friday and the passengers have been sleeping at the airport. As of yesterday(Sunday) they still did not know when the flight would operate.


Visca Barça!!
User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4698 times:

Quoting Iberia340600 (Reply 5):
one of Air Madrid's flights from BCN-EZE has been delayed since Friday and the passengers have been sleeping at the airport. As of yesterday(Sunday) they still did not know when the flight would operate.

That's illegal. Why hasn't NM provided compensation for those passengers as according to EU regulations?

I know they have a record for not complying with the EU compensation policy, but nevertheless.


User currently offlineCarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4756 posts, RR: 31
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4658 times:

Ha ha ha... I was thinking to start a thread asking whether their plans to start ops in GUA would see the light soon, but given their recent (and not-so-recent... nah, make it permanent) delays, I guess it's more likely to see the A380 land here than have NM start a well-run operation.

As much as I would love an increase in service to Europe, methinks we're better off without them...

- Carmen



What do I know, I'm just an 'immature troublemaker with only a passing interest in aviation' (or so they say)
User currently offlineIberiaA319 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 574 posts, RR: 38
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4620 times:

Quoting Iberia340600 (Reply 5):
I just came back from Barcelona yesterday and read in the paper that one of Air Madrid's flights from BCN-EZE has been delayed since Friday and the passengers have been sleeping at the airport. As of yesterday(Sunday) they still did not know when the flight would operate.

They are still in Spain waiting for a flight to EZE with a delay of over 60 hours.

In the news once again:

http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/167440/0/retrasos/air/madrid/

By the way, yesterday there was a post of a.net user TACAA320, he said that a niece would take an Air Madrid's SJO-MAD flight today........well the plane has not even left Madrid Airport (bound for SJO) and has already a delay of almost 8 hours.


User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4609 times:
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I have a colleague who is supposed to fly to SCL in december with NM... He told me he wasn't risking the ID stand-by tickets with his family (he's airline employee). I would risk a stand-by ZED ticket rather than flying with NM personally...


FB.



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User currently offlineSKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4574 times:

Quoting IberiaA319 (Reply 8):
he said that a niece would take an Air Madrid's SJO-MAD flight today........well the plane has not even left Madrid Airport (bound for SJO) and has already a delay of almost 8 hours.

This "airline" is a shame for our country. Aviación Civil must do something right now. Tomorrow could be too late.

By the way, NM has been watched today in TV news in all Spanish Channels. Fortunately people start to know this airline.



Time flies! Enjoy life!
User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4531 times:

Today's [10/30] flight 811 from MAD, that is scheduled to leave back [as NM 812] around 16,00 hours, has a huge delay. My nice [she's leaving to Valencia] was advised by NM [by phone] not to show yet at the airport.

If somebody knows something about such flight please let me know at hjgcr@aol.com

I will appreciate so much [NM's offices here are impossible to reach].

Thanks in advance.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4446 times:

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 11):
Today's [10/30] flight 811 from MAD, that is scheduled to leave back [as NM 812] around 16,00 hours, has a huge delay.

Is there still a possibility for her to be re-booked on IB? If not for today's flight, then at least for the nonstop IB6310 flight SJO-MAD.

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 11):
I will appreciate so much [NM's offices here are impossible to reach].

And what's worse: SJO doesn't even have a website, so you cannot watch the departures/arrivals and whether they're late or not.


User currently offlineIberiaA319 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 574 posts, RR: 38
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4386 times:

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 11):
Today's [10/30] flight 811 from MAD, that is scheduled to leave back [as NM 812] around 16,00 hours, has a huge delay. My nice [she's leaving to Valencia] was advised by NM [by phone] not to show yet at the airport.

If somebody knows something about such flight please let me know at hjgcr@aol.com

NM811 departed at 20.48 this afternoon (scheduled departure was 11.00), so expect a delay of 10 hours.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 12):
SJO doesn't even have a website

I thought that Alterra Partners website was the official SJO's site, offering arrivals and departures:

http://www.alterra.co.cr/fiws/


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4317 times:

Quoting IberiaA319 (Reply 13):
I thought that Alterra Partners website was the official SJO's site, offering arrivals and departures:

http://www.alterra.co.cr/fiws/

Thanks. I've been trying to find one for ages, yet came up empty every time.

BTW: NM812 has been cancelled for today.


User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4306 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 12):
Is there still a possibility for her to be re-booked on IB?

Unfortunately there is no possibility to re-book with IB. Her group [seven in total] is expecting to leave tomorrow [10/31] at 15:00 hours.

Quoting IberiaA319 (Reply 13):
NM811 departed at 20.48 this afternoon (scheduled departure was 11.00), so expect a delay of 10 hours.

THANKS A LOT FOR YOUR INTEREST AND ANSWERS !


User currently offlineIberiaA319 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 574 posts, RR: 38
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4284 times:

Quoting IberiaA319 (Reply 13):
NM811 departed at 20.48 this afternoon (scheduled departure was 11.00), so expect a delay of 10 hours.

One correction, took the wrong information from AENA's website, departure of NM0811 is now re-scheduled for tomorrow at 08.40 (which does not mean that this will be the actual departure time).

You can follow departure times at http://www.aena.es of any Spanish airport.

Passengers in Madrid will probably stay once again at the Hotel Auditorium, next to the airport. Almost every day hundreds of passengers stay there due to the constant delays and cancellations of Air Madrid's flights.

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 15):
THANKS A LOT FOR YOUR INTEREST AND ANSWERS !

You are welcome.


User currently offlineTomascubero From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2005, 525 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4223 times:

Yes NM811 is cancelled, I just opened up a topic about this, but I just found you were talking about it in the PMI one, so many NM topics here, I wonder why Big grin.

Any ideas on the equipment for tomorrow, and if you said previously that it departed, that means that if had to return or land and was cancelled, if its in tomorrow it could make a run to SJO, I've got free the rest of the week.

Cheers!
Tomas.


User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2376 posts, RR: 28
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4149 times:

They have "lost" two aircraft, their A310-300 has been taken back by the lessor and their A340-300 is currently grounded for unknown reasons. So it looks like they are yet again trying to operate their full flight schedule with a way too small fleet.


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User currently offlineTomascubero From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2005, 525 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4126 times:

Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 18):
They have "lost" two aircraft, their A310-300 has been taken back by the lessor and their A340-300 is currently grounded for unknown reasons. So it looks like they are yet again trying to operate their full flight schedule with a way too small fleet.

Wow, I didn't know they "lost" D-AIDH, now its even worse.

Correct me please but about 2 weeks ago this was the status of their fleet:

EC-JIS (A343) Grounded
EC-JQT (A319) Grounded
EC-JQU (A319) Flying
EC-JMF (A333) Grounded
EC-IYB (A332) Already seen flying last week, was Grounded 2 weeks ago
EC-IYN (A332) Flying, grounded about 3-4 weeks ago
EC-JTB (A333) Not had any major problems yet, this is the ex. LTU aircraft recived not so long ago
EMB-145 which I don't know the reg of (Grounded due to damage)
SE-REB (A332) was re-possed by Novair (A332)
CRJ-200 I think has dissappeared from their fleet

They are supposed to be operating a couple of leased Air Memphis A320's to pick up stranded passengers in TLC, they were also leasing 2X 763 and 1X L1011 from Euro Atlantic Airways and they have so far only given back one 763, still with the 763 and L1011.

Clearly a big mess, aint it guys?

Cheers!
Tomas.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4056 times:

Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 18):
their A310-300 has been taken back by the lessor

LH was operating their aircraft for NM under a wetlease, right? And when did the aircraft get re-posessed?

Quoting Tomascubero (Reply 19):
EC-JIS (A343) Grounded
EC-JQT (A319) Grounded
EC-JQU (A319) Flying
EC-JMF (A333) Grounded
EC-IYB (A332) Already seen flying last week, was Grounded 2 weeks ago
EC-IYN (A332) Flying, grounded about 3-4 weeks ago
EC-JTB (A333) Not had any major problems yet, this is the ex. LTU aircraft recived not so long ago
EMB-145 which I don't know the reg of (Grounded due to damage)
SE-REB (A332) was re-possed by Novair (A332)
CRJ-200 I think has dissappeared from their fleet

So basically, they're only flying longhauls with three A330s. With their overambitious network, that's total overkill.

Anyone know why EC-JMF and EC-JIS are AOG?


User currently offlineIberia340600 From Spain, joined Oct 2003, 804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4035 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 12):
Is there still a possibility for her to be re-booked on IB? If not for today's flight, then at least for the nonstop IB6310 flight SJO-MAD.

Unfortunately, as far as I know, we do not have any type of ticketing agreement with NM so if NM was to rebook her on IB...they would have to pay for a regular ticket for her which most likely wont happen.



Visca Barça!!
User currently offlineTomascubero From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2005, 525 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4011 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 20):
Anyone know why EC-JMF and EC-JIS are AOG?

I am almost certain they have damaged engines, JIS was the one who had to to the emergency landing at Cape Verde right? I am almost certain its because of this.

To my knowledge, this year they have had to have replacment engines sent out to:

Quito for an A332 which had a compressor stall during take off
Ezeiza for I think another A332 which had a bird strike

The're probably more but only those two come to mind.

Further on with NM811 MAD-SJO, any one want to confirm what aircraft and at what time they are coming in tomorrow, high chance I will visit SJO for a couple of hours.

Cheers!
Tomas.


User currently offlinePtknight From Portugal, joined Aug 2001, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3908 times:

Am I the only one who never had any problems with Air Madrid? I flew seven times with them already...

User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3874 times:

Quoting Tomascubero (Reply 22):
Further on with NM811 MAD-SJO, any one want to confirm what aircraft and at what time they are coming in tomorrow, high chance I will visit SJO for a couple of hours.

The only info I got through www.aena.es is that NM811 already left Barajas and it's expected to arrive at SJO around 12:00 p.m. [more than 27 hours delay].  Sad


25 Post contains images Tomascubero : Yes, EC-IYB is in route form MAD and its ETA is 1330 local time, lets hope she doesn't get delayed anymore. Cheers! Tomas.
26 LTU932 : So I guess she'd be SOL either way, right?
27 Skyone : Hey, my friend went today to the airport for the final leg of a TLC-MAD-TLC and they flight was cancelled. They offered her Air Europa to CUN and then
28 Post contains images EZEIZA : Air Madrid is a joke. Every day they have long delays. Just today flight NM 1213 originally scheduld to land at EZE at 01:45 am is now estimated to ar
29 Tomascubero : Oh, add 4 hours to that now, ETA is 1735 local with subject to a further delay. Totally riddiculous, her delay is of 1 day and 2.5 hours and counting
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