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Emirates Announces DXB-GRU B777  
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11215 times:

Emirates announced today that it will start DXB-GRU direct late in 2007, stated Nigel Page, Emirates VP. The flight will be operated with the B777-200LR. Flight duration is expected to be 14 hrs. The flight will allow for onward connections to Asia, China, Middle East and Africa. Emirates will also open its first office in Latin America in Sao Paulo early in 2007.

This puts an end on speculation that Emirates was looking at flying DXB-GIG or DXB-EZE for its first operations in the region. It seems difficult to compete with the high yielding market of GRU for the time being.

Emirates announcement comes short after Qatar Airways also announced DOG-GRU flights direct a few weeks ago RE: Qatar Confirms GRU-DOH Nonstop (by MainMAN Sep 21 2006 in Civil Aviation)?searchid=2998357&s=DOH-GRU#ID2998357
Qatar already opened its office in Sao Paulo and has a cooperation agreement with TAM. Qatar's flights to GRU will also start late 2007. Qatar informed that it will not start service to GRU earlier because of aircraft shortage.

It seems 2007 will see a major boost of air service between Brazil and the Middle East as Qatar and Emirates are in the race to serve GRU first. The last Middle Eastern airline to operate in Brazil was MEA which connected GRU and BEY via ABJ. Both Emirates and Qatar are on the race to capture the increasing traffic between Brazil and China/Asia. Air China will start direct flights BEI-GRU via MAD on 10 December 2006 twice weekly.

Rgs,

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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11221 times:

When is EK going to take delivery of their 77Ls.

User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4502 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11166 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):
This puts an end on speculation that Emirates was looking at flying DXB-GIG or DXB-EZE for its first operations in the region. It seems difficult to compete with the high yielding market of GRU for the time being.

I have never believed the stories that EK would go to GIG or EZE first. GRU is and remains the number one market in the region, and that is not about to change overnight.

With the opening of direct Brazil flights by both EK and QR next year, European carriers, which have traditionally captured large chunks of the market between Asia, the Indian Subcontinent and the Middle East and South America are about to see their market share dented.

The same phenomenon is happening for the North Atlantic market where the likes of BA, LH, AF and KL are looking at an increasing erosion of their once large market share for flights between Africa, the Middle East and the Subcontinent and destinations in North America because of an ever increasing number of nonstop flights.


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4769 posts, RR: 43
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11167 times:

EK will kill Air China on the GRU-China route as they would be flying daily + much better inflight product compared to CAs B 763s. Air China only has the convenience factor as their advantage.

EK has the potential to do well on this route in all cabin classes as it will time its flights to connect conveniently both ways to India, China, Japan, SIN, BKK, HKG and the all important oil markets of the Arab world. I wonder though who EK will interline with on the Brazil domestic sectors...TAM or GOL?


User currently offlineXA744 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 734 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11123 times:

It is very interesting to see how Brazil is deiversyfing its air links with the rest of the world. I wish Mexico had the capacity to develop such an aggressive strategy as well.

The city of Sao Paulo and area of influence in southern Brazil have dramatically increased their international presence very fast. Congratulations for such a successful policy !!!

Best regards



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8957 posts, RR: 40
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11080 times:

I wonder if EK will sign something with RG since QR signed with TAM. . . then again Ocean Air could be good enough too.

Cheers



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User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4009 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10883 times:

With limited connections at the Qatar end, Qatar will have a very hard time competing with Emirates. If the price of oil stays high, we can count on the Qatar service continuing.  Wink

User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8002 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10816 times:

Remember, Sao Paolo is to Brazil what New York City is to the USA--not the country's Capitol, but its primary business center. That's why you see a lot of international flights out of GRU to worldwide destinations.

User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10814 times:

Is EK going to announce DXB-IAD ever?


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17428 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10770 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 3):
Air China on the GRU-China route

That route has got to be total politically backed nonsense anyway. There's no way two weekly frequencies in a high CASM aircraft over such a long distance could make any money.

[Edited 2006-10-30 17:45:42]


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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10739 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 2):

The same phenomenon is happening for the North Atlantic market where the likes of BA, LH, AF and KL are looking at an increasing erosion of their once large market share for flights between Africa, the Middle East and the Subcontinent and destinations in North America because of an ever increasing number of nonstop flights.

This is exactly what Boeing was saying about "point-to-point" services..it just isn't about IND-CDG, but routes such as these...

Once Air India and/or IT starts nonstop service form India to The Bay Area, look for these carriers to lose more service..as a lot of pax use European Carriers (especially BA/VS) to transfer to India/Pakistan...

The same holds true with the aforementioned routes stated above...

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 3):

EK has the potential to do well on this route in all cabin classes as it will time its flights to connect conveniently both ways to India, China, Japan, SIN, BKK, HKG and the all important oil markets of the Arab world. I wonder though who EK will interline with on the Brazil domestic sectors...TAM or GOL?

I also think cargo will play a big route on this also...

We finally see where EK will start using their -200LR's....



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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 10613 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):
The last Middle Eastern airline to operate in Brazil was MEA which connected GRU and BEY via ABJ

When was this effective ? Which aircraft was on this route ?

When is EK due to receive its first 772LR ?

Thanks,


FB.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7556 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 10558 times:

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 8):
Is EK going to announce DXB-IAD ever?

I think UA would be more likely to start IAD-DXB than EK. Of the markets Ive heard for their next US exansion, IAD wasnt one of them. Ive heard: LAX, ORD, IAH, and SFO. Probably not to all of them, but maybe we'll see service to one of them soon. My guess is the the next service will probably be on the west coast, and Ill be floored if SFO gets chosen over LAX.



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User currently offlineDreamflight767 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 10425 times:
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I've been waiting for SFO for years now. I've given up hope. Why is EK so slow to expand in the U.S.? I'm sure they have enough equipment.

User currently offlineA332 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 10365 times:

Quoting Dreamflight767 (Reply 13):
I've been waiting for SFO for years now. I've given up hope. Why is EK so slow to expand in the U.S.? I'm sure they have enough equipment.

Obviously there are much better markets with more profitability available... or EK would already be there.



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4502 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 10304 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 10):
This is exactly what Boeing was saying about "point-to-point" services..it just isn't about IND-CDG, but routes such as these...

Once Air India and/or IT starts nonstop service form India to The Bay Area, look for these carriers to lose more service..as a lot of pax use European Carriers (especially BA/VS) to transfer to India/Pakistan...

The same holds true with the aforementioned routes stated above...

You are absolutely right. Every addition of such an 'exotic' hub to point flight represents, in a way, an additional nail in the coffin of mega interhub flights. And we have by far not seen the end yet. It is interesting to see how the likes of KLM and NW are trying to counter these new nonstop markets by finetuning their existing hub and spoke model and offering optimized connectivity.


User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 10210 times:

Why isn´t anything yet on EK website? Is it official?

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11429 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 10175 times:
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Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 16):
Why isn´t anything yet on EK website? Is it official?

Mr. Nigel was in Rio during last week and i have the opportunity to meet him and keep a very interesting discussion concerning to EK plans.

First of all, they do not keep any plane available for this flight yet, A380 program delays as well as the high demand over several routes postpone their Brazilian plans.

Second, they decided to begin with Sao Paulo, but they do not change their mind about one flight to Sao Paulo and one flight to Rio. They are still researching Rio market, but they already know Sao Paulo will come first, but they do not have dates, frequencies as they do not keep the planes. But they also know the problems they will face (delays, lack of gates, lack of space for a good lounge and comfort at the airport).

They know the power of their product, and keep no fear about any other competitor.

And i already post a comment on this at another thread " Brazilian Civil Aviation News " among several other conversations i made during the last 7 days with airlines executives.

I can say and post it's official as i heard GRU-DXB from a EK executive.

Felipe



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User currently offlineAF454GRU From France, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 40 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9981 times:

No matter which "world class" airline can fly into GRU or even GIG.
But as long as Brazilian Airport Authorities Infraero and DGAC do not take the right decision in order to improve facilities - most to GRU, airlines will face lack of gates, lack of counters, lounges... better runways and wide terminals.
Sometimes I thik they're rather interested to launch Duty Free shops than anything...
Someone who faced GRU arriving from Int'l earling morning or leaving to Int'l in the evening know what I'm saying. Immigration and customs at GRU are a joke!
Anyway, it's great to see Emirates and Qatar landing there!
How long for Qantas and Virgin Atlantic?
It would be nice to get back Royal Air Maroc even for a weekly GRU-CMN and MEA for a GRU-BEY via Africa or Europe!
Good old days when VP served ATH via CMN, Iraqi Airways to Baghdad via Lisbon and Amman and Aeroflot to MOW via Sal and TUN...


User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2159 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9686 times:

Quoting AF454GRU (Reply 18):
Someone who faced GRU arriving from Int'l earling morning or leaving to Int'l in the evening know what I'm saying. Immigration and customs at GRU are a joke!

Agree completely. I avoid GRU like the plague because the airport is so awful. GIG is vastly better.


User currently offlineTomascubero From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2005, 525 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9582 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):
Air China will start direct flights BEI-GRU via MAD on 10 December 2006 twice weekly.

It is not direct, they are routing BEI-MAD-GRU with a 763ER, which is un-capable of BEI-GRU direct I think.

This is great news for Latin America and of course Brazil. Its always great to have competition on routes, QR and EK will be very close on this one and this is great news for Brazil, I already sense an A380 going down there in the next two years from the Middle East...

I hope EK would expand to upper Latin America, possibly BOG and I wish SJO Big grin.

Cheers!
Tomas.


User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5524 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9444 times:

If this does good ahead EK will serve every part of the globe.
North & South America, Australia, Asia, Europe and Africa. The EK juggernaut continues

Quoting AF454GRU (Reply 18):
How long for Qantas and Virgin Atlantic?

I don't think you will see QF there anytime soon but maybe JQ international.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17428 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9390 times:

Quoting Tomascubero (Reply 20):
It is not direct, they are routing BEI-MAD-GRU with a 763ER,

It is direct, since "direct" does not necessarily mean nonstop. As far as I know the flight will be with a 767-200?



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User currently offlineTomascubero From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2005, 525 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9278 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 22):
It is direct, since "direct" does not necessarily mean nonstop

Right, that would mean that it stops but it continues with the same flight number and the stop is actually a technical stop?

Yes, I did read about the 200 being sent but at the end of the post, they said that Amadeus was wrong and it actually is a 763, but of course the 762 might bump in sometime.

Another question, is the 763ER able to fly BEI-MAD non-stop, this is probably a very large strech for the 763ER...

Cheers!
Tomas.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 8326 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8867 times:
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I'm surprised its only 14 hours, I thought it would be 17hours. Sao Paulo is the natural place to go to South America first since its got Rio, CCS and BOG to the North, EZE & SCL to the south and west. Its right in the middle of the east coast of South America. Great news for Emirates and good luck, can't wait to see the 777LR.

25 Jacobin777 : According to wikipedia.org.... "The Arab Brazilian population is estimated at about 10 million people most of them tracing their roots back to Lebanes
26 KLM685 : I agree Mi Estimado, though Mexico is strong Latin market just as Brazil is, the obvious question is why aren't we getting tons of international traf
27 Post contains links ChiGB1973 : Are they getting another today? http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAE777 M
28 LipeGIG : I believe the first reason is that GRU is far from US, and MEX is not. Also Sao Paulo keep 2 (overcrowded) airports. For who don't know since last we
29 Gemuser : Its a "technical" stop if the airline does not have ANY traffic rights at the stop. Its a "transit" stop if the airline has traffic rights at the sto
30 Post contains images FSPilot747 : I can't believe you can go DXB to GRU nonstop but I can't get from LAX to anywhere in Brazil nonstop
31 Planemanofnz : No. QF tired the South American market a while back flying to EZE and it didn't work. The only aircraft suitable for the mission is the 744 due to ET
32 LipeGIG : They have rights for both legs, MAD-GRU and MAD-PEK. Ocean Air has plans to fly LAX-GRU non stop, but not daily. Some days will be thru BOG. Felipe
33 MCOflyer : I think EK will take delievery in 2008 or late 07. If not a 200LR, a 200ER can do it w/ restrictions. MCOflyer
34 NWAatNGO : Interesting to see what the times are for this flight and how they line up with the flight from NGO. Because of the large Brazilian population in the
35 EddieDude : This is great news for GRU and for Brazil in general. It is good to see that there will be soon not one but two direct links to the Middle East! I won
36 Post contains images Tomascubero : Thanks for clearing that up mate . That's good, they should have if not they would be loosing quite a lot of pax, isn't this the only direct flight f
37 Post contains images BA : MEA started flights to São Paulo in October 1995. Flights were operated once weekly (I believe on Sundays) via Abidjan, Côte d'Ivoire on 747-200Bs.
38 Post contains links UpperDeck79 : I bet both EK and QR will do great on KIX/NGO-DXB/DOH-GRU since there are no non-stop Japan-Brazil flights and the only direct one (on JL) goes via JF
39 MAH4546 : Nagoya actually has the largest Brazilian community in Japan, so that isn't necessarily a bad thing.
40 UpperDeck79 : That's true. But the Brazilian community in Japan (250 000) is much smaller than the Japanese community in Brazil (1.5 million) of which a great per
41 Hardiwv : I posted here many times that EK or QR would serve GRU first. For me there was no doubt about it. Although Rio is the oil capital, it can never compe
42 AF022 : I think I remember flights were on Mondays.
43 Cedars747 : It would be nice if EK could cooperate with MEA on this flight DXB-BEY-GRU Alex!!!
44 LipeGIG : No need to say sorry, we all are here to change ideas and info. Ocean Air will fly GRU-LAX / LAD / LOS / JNB / LIM. In fact Europe is not included in
45 BA : MEA's decision to fly to GRU would hardly be affected by whether QR and EK fly there. Very few are going to fly GRU-DXB-BEY or GRU-DOH-BEY. Right now
46 FSPilot747 : That'd be great. Never heard of OceanAir, only know that it is part of Avianca?
47 Cedars747 : If EK provide a free night stop in DXB I am sure many would love to fly EK from South America to Lebanon By the way,in my last visit to BUE and RIO,I
48 Tomascubero : Yes I stand corrected, I completely confused this with the new European startup, Blue Sky with the ex. UA 744's, don't know how really. Ocean Air is
49 BA : Well maybe, but only if they offer attractive fares. My point being is it is quite rare for passengers to get to their destination by flying passed i
50 Cedars747 : At the contrary ,Latin Americans from Lebanese origins will love to visit another Arabic cities .Many of them visit BEY,DAM ,AMM and CAI at the same
51 LipeGIG : In fact Ocean Air is the brazilian venture of Mr. Efromovich owner of both (Avianca and Ocean Air) and also Alianza Peru. You're right, and also ther
52 AF454GRU : Excuse-me but I think I've lost something here... Air China granted 5th freedom for PEK-MAD and MAD-GRU or Spain is just a tech stop!? If they got it
53 LipeGIG : Bilateral Brazil-China allows 5th freedom rights for China airlines at FRA and any other 2 points in Europe so it will be not a technical stop. Varig
54 Hardiwv : Done! A Heineken in AMS and a Brahma in RIO. Anyway, I agree that VS would indeed select GIG over GRU. GIG is even mentioned in VS's wishlist...but l
55 EurostarVA : Are you sure about that? People can fly an extra 2-3 hours in order to save some money on the airfare. I think flying from Beirut to Sao Paulo via th
56 Hardiwv : Agree. With EK and QR services to Brazil MEA does not have a chance to compete. Rgs,
57 Hardiwv : Brazil's EMBRATUR reconfirmed that Emirates will start DXB-GRU flights in November 2007, reported Rio's O Globo Newspaper. In April 2007 EMBRATUR will
58 Post contains links 787KQ : The Peruvian airline is called Wayraperu. www.wayra.com.pe
59 A342 : Absolutely impossible. It would ditch somewhere in the Atlantic.
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