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Possible 787s For AA And UA  
User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6474 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 12271 times:

United was previously considered a wildcard in choosing either the 787 or the A350. However, United has made bids to become a 787 GoldCare provider, which increases their chances of the 787. United is now in good financial condition, and a 787 order could be imminent.

AA has stated that they will not order new aircraft until their financial conditions improve somewhat. However, AA, unlike Delta, is not in bankruptcy. Delta is not expected to come out of bankruptcy until at least May 2007, and a 787 order is not likely until July of the same year. AA, however, due to the fact that they are not in bankruptcy, could order the 787 earlier than Delta.

What are your thoughts?

[Edited 2006-10-30 17:17:08]


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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30889 posts, RR: 87
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 12280 times:
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First I'd recommend a topic change, as one could assume UA and AA have just ordered 787s.  Smile

I'm positive it's going to happen for AA and pretty confident it will happen for UA.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5747 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 12201 times:

It'll happen the question is when. Production slots are filling up fast and if EK orders 100 of them then that'll mean that AA and UA would have to wait a very long time.

Now add the possibility of the A350 not entering service until 2013-2015 then you add even more pressure for airlines to order the 787. I would even postulate to say that even US may order them is the A350 turns out to be a debacle a la A380.

I'm sure Boeing is keeping them apprised of the situation.



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User currently offlineEatmybologna From France, joined Apr 2005, 412 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 12204 times:

I have a hunch that UA might go for the A350 considering it'll have cockpit commonality with the current Airbus planes already in their fleet.


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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30889 posts, RR: 87
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 12152 times:
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Quoting Eatmybologna (Reply 3):
I have a hunch that UA might go for the A350 considering it'll have cockpit commonality with the current Airbus planes already in their fleet.

Except UA's entire widebody fleet is Boeing. And the A350-800 will be an even bigger jump in capacity from their 767-300s then the 787-8 would be. The A350-900 would be a 1:1 replacement for the 772ER fleet, but the 787-10 would give them a bit more room then either and would build on the 787-8. The 787-9 would also give UA some flexability on the routes that switch between the 772 and 763 depending on seasonal loads by being able to better "meet the average". And the 787-3 could conceivably replace their 763ER and 772A Hawaii fleets.


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8670 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 12050 times:

I have inside sources that say UA and AA are ordering the 787. If DL was in good financial condition, they'd order a boatload of 787's.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6484 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 12039 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 5):
I have inside sources that say UA and AA are ordering the 787. If DL was in good financial condition, they'd order a boatload of 787's.

Inside sources? I can see that being necessary with UA, but with AA, only the most ardent deniers believe that there is any chance of AA not getting the 787. It's perfect for them, and they have an allegiance to Boeing.



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 12037 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
Except UA's entire widebody fleet is Boeing. And the A350-800 will be an even bigger jump in capacity from their 767-300s then the 787-8 would be. The A350-900 would be a 1:1 replacement for the 772ER fleet, but the 787-10 would give them a bit more room then either and would build on the 787-8. The 787-9 would also give UA some flexability on the routes that switch between the 772 and 763 depending on seasonal loads by being able to better "meet the average". And the 787-3 could conceivably replace their 763ER and 772A Hawaii fleets.

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I have said before and say again, UA will order the 787 at some stage, the sooner the better and also the 747-8i. I cannot see those boys around the corner at Boeing seeing a major order from UA, the Chicago home town airline going to Airbus!


User currently offlineOrdpark From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 574 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 11882 times:
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"inside sources"???? what does that mean?

User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5747 posts, RR: 47
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 11800 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 5):
I have inside sources that say UA and AA are ordering the 787. If DL was in good financial condition, they'd order a boatload of 787's.

And have your inside sources said when each of these carriers will be making an announcement?



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User currently offlineEatmybologna From France, joined Apr 2005, 412 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 11732 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
Except UA's entire widebody fleet is Boeing.

O.K., but I thought UA have A330s in their fleet? If they do, I would suspect that the A350 cockpit will be derived somewhat from the A330 line, no?

By the way, happy A-net birthday 1337Delta764  spin 



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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3092 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 11694 times:

If they did get them, would they have PTV's?

User currently offlineMEACEDAR From Lebanon, joined Oct 2006, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 11672 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 11):
If they did get them, would they have PTV's?

Oh...yea. I'm pretty sure.


User currently offlineB777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 11642 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
First I'd recommend a topic change, as one could assume UA and AA have just ordered 787s

Not really, did you not see the word "possible" in the title. Thats the problem around here, to many people read into things way to much.

Quoting Ordpark (Reply 8):
"inside sources"???? what does that mean?

"what does that mean"....are you joking? you must be joking and if not, wow........


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6762 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 11592 times:

I have seen the future.. and my predictions are as follows:

AA will have an announced 787 order by end of year 2007 with at least 20 + 50 options..

DL will have an announced 787 order by end of year 2007 with at least 20 + 20 options..

UA will have an announced 787 order by end of year 2007 with at least 20 + 20 options..

YX will have an announced 737 order by end of year 2007 with at least 20 +20 options..

SY will have an announced 737 lease by end of year 2007 with at least 5-10 ordered..

SY will have an announced E75 lease by end of year 2007 with at least 10 ordered..

And now my crystal ball has fogged over.. dispute at your convenience.. Hositoshi 2000...



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineBeech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 11518 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 5):
I have inside sources that say UA and AA are ordering the 787. If DL was in good financial condition, they'd order a boatload of 787's.

I love comments like this... all it does it gets everyones hopes up and in reality it means squat.

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 11):
If they did get them, would they have PTV's?

Any airline that orders new modern 8000nm range widebody and doesn't put PTV's in them need to be slapped up side the head. Just my $.02

Quoting B777ER (Reply 13):
Not really, did you not see the word "possible" in the title. Thats the problem around here, to many people read into things way to much.

 checkmark  wow... yeah...

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 14):
I have seen the future.. and my predictions are as follows:

Interesting...
Is this just an scenario from your hypothetical crystal ball or do you have anything that might lead you to those numbers?



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 11487 times:

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 15):
I love comments like this... all it does it gets everyones hopes up and in reality it means squat.

 checkmark 


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30889 posts, RR: 87
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 11379 times:
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Quoting Eatmybologna (Reply 10):
O.K., but I thought UA have A330s in their fleet? If they do, I would suspect that the A350 cockpit will be derived somewhat from the A330 line, no?

UA flies the 767-300ER, the 777-200, the 777-200ER and the 747-400.

Quoting B777ER (Reply 13):
Did you not see the word "possible" in the title. Thats the problem around here, to many people read into things way to much.

The original title was "787s for UA and AA". The word "possible" was not present. 1337Delta764 was polite enough to add it a few minutes after I had posted my reply based on the edit time. Big grin

[Edited 2006-10-30 20:43:19]

User currently offlineFA4UA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 812 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 11341 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 5):

Ya, but my inside sources are saying it will be a few years before an aircraft order is seriously considered. Right now we're focused on prooving to the investment community that we can manage what great assets we have before running out and spending hundreds of millions more.

Former FA4UA



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6762 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 11146 times:

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 15):
Is this just an scenario from your hypothetical crystal ball or do you have anything that might lead you to those numbers?

It's all hypothetical.. I work no where near the airline industry.. sorry



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User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 11023 times:

Quoting Eatmybologna (Reply 10):
O.K., but I thought UA have A330s in their fleet? If they do, I would suspect that the A350 cockpit will be derived somewhat from the A330 line, no?

United doesn't have A330s


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6464 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 10866 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 5):
I have inside sources that say UA and AA are ordering the 787. If DL was in good financial condition, they'd order a boatload of 787's.

MCOflyer

That is amazing that you have such knowledgeable inside sources. I envy you.


User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1730 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 10534 times:

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 15):
Any airline that orders new modern 8000nm range widebody and doesn't put PTV's in them need to be slapped up side the head. Just my $.02

Ever heard of Lufthansa?


User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10313 times:

I think both carriers would like more of a back log before they order. They both have great planes and plenty of them. Granted, some interior work will be done here and there, but both need some time, no, lots of time, before committing to slots and then even more time before they get into the training facet of the new plane.

I look forward to the day AA orders the 787 and UA orders the 748 and 787.

M


User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10042 times:

Just because United Services is bidding to become a 787 Gold Care provider does not necessarily mean UA is going to buy the 787. United Services does maintenance on the fleets of many airlines, including those of several overseas carriers while they are parked in the U.S.

United Services even has to bid to perform UA maintenance. UA and AA maintenance operate almost as independent companies.


25 JSquared : Not to get too far off topic, but what makes you think this? I think SY is doing well, but that's quite the expansion from their current fleet of 7 7
26 Post contains images ERJ170 : No real basis.. just seems like something that would happen.. their management stated they were looking to expand.. so they would have to get more air
27 Flyguy595 : He has an inside source on his crystal ball. I believe that UA will order the 787 call it wishfull thinking and a gut feeling. I always think that it
28 Shane : They need to be slapped upside their collective Teutonic head! One more SFO-MUC on that A340-600 in coach with no PTVs and I'm going to go nuts.
29 Bobnwa : I suggest you try a good book like most of the traveling public over 30.
30 DeltaJet757 : Whether or not AA or UA order 787's I'd like to see more US carriers ordering 787's and same with the 748. -DeltaJet757
31 Commavia : In United's case, yes, but not in the case of American. American's Maintenance and Engineering division is a completely integral division within Amer
32 Legacytravel : My sisters best friends second cousin on her step moms side of the family flew UA one time and heard a f/a say that they were gonna order a 100 of th
33 DL4EVR : Beech19...you're missing the joke here, lol.
34 Antoniemey : It means either he knows someone high up in the company, or he's pulling crap out of his hind end. SFO-MUC would be 2 or 3 good books... each way.
35 Jetjack74 : I think he should be an inside source inside his crystal ball
36 Post contains images Bmacleod : What is a GoldCare provider?
37 Stitch : Boeing is offering a complete "nosecone to tailcone" maintenance package for 787 operators who do not wish to create their own in-house 787 maintenan
38 Beech19 : My point exactly... Read? What about those people who don't enjoy reading? Seriously... not everyone can pick up a book and be entertained. Some of u
39 Antoniemey : I pity those people. Reading is one of life's simplest pleasures.
40 Walter747 : i think UA will choose the 748i and AA will choose the 787.
41 Post contains images Beech19 : Unless that is... you don't find pleasure in it. Why would you pity someone because they find a particular activity boring just because you enjoy it?
42 Post contains images FXramper : I'm hearing 100 frames confirmed for AA plus options and another North American carrier, to be named, that would warrant Boeing opening a second 787 l
43 Post contains images Stitch : I don't think AA and UA or DL could afford 100+ frames fast enough to force Boeing to open a second line in two months. And even if they could, I can
44 Bobnwa : How old are you again?
45 DL4EVR : Hm...I take it you've never read any of 1337Delta's posts before....99% of them involve PTVs. Hence, the joke.
46 Antoniemey : And it's their loss, hence why I pity them.
47 Post contains images Beech19 : Thanks for the clarification. I'll keep that in mind. HA HA HA!! (now that i get the joke...) j/k
48 MEACEDAR : UA doesn't have any A330s in their fleet. I think you are mistaking UA with US.
49 NYC777 : Does your source know when an annoucement will be made and when deliveries will start?
50 AADC10 : AA maintenance is not a separate corporate entity like United Services, but functionally they are similar. As a 100% owned subsidiary, United Service
51 FXramper : No more details have been given to me at this time. Look for something towards the end of the year for AA.
52 Commavia : But therein lies the key difference: United Services is a 100% owned subsidiary. AA's Maintenance and Engineering operations are not a subsidiary at
53 Post contains images RwSEA : Glad to see it wasn't lost on everyone .
54 Ordpark : B777ER - of course I understand what an "inside source" is....it was an attempt at sarcasm.....people who quote "inside sources" , who are unwilling t
55 Post contains images UAL777UK :
56 777ER : UA only has A320s in their fleet, the rest are Boeings, so no 'same flight deck there'. The B787 will have the same flight deck with the B777 which U
57 Bobnwa : Northwest is the largest 330 operator in North America
58 Dc10s4ever : I hate to burst anyones bubble, but an order for 787's for AA is AT LEAST 4 years away. AA just opened early negotiations with the APA for a new contr
59 Post contains images Beech19 : Ding ding ding!
60 Ckfred : At the rate Boeing's order book is filling, an order in 2010 will mean the first delivery will be around 2015 or 2016. I really don't think AA can af
61 N328KF : This isn't something they can hide for a long period of time. Definitely not beyond their annual report, and most likely, not beyond each 10Q. Making
62 Post contains images Beech19 : If AA had actually placed an order we would see them as UFO's on the Boeing Orders and Deliveries. Which we don't. So they have not actually firmed u
63 Ikramerica : There are still 34 UFO orders. And the Boeing page doesn't talk about options. AA could have placed a huge number of options that still hold slots an
64 Ckfred : Remember that rumours around the Ops. office are simply that, rumours. But, the fact that there are rumours that AA has ordered, has put deposits to h
65 NYC777 : Yeah but those 34 UFOs are for different models that were ordered at different times. If AA placed a UFO order it would have all been booked at the s
66 Dc10s4ever : Dont hold your breath. I really dont see any new AA orders until 2010 at the earliest. Remember, they dont even have any deliveries scheduled until 2
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