1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6847 posts, RR: 2 Posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 12840 times:
United was previously considered a wildcard in choosing either the 787 or the A350. However, United has made bids to become a 787 GoldCare provider, which increases their chances of the 787. United is now in good financial condition, and a 787 order could be imminent.
AA has stated that they will not order new aircraft until their financial conditions improve somewhat. However, AA, unlike Delta, is not in bankruptcy. Delta is not expected to come out of bankruptcy until at least May 2007, and a 787 order is not likely until July of the same year. AA, however, due to the fact that they are not in bankruptcy, could order the 787 earlier than Delta.
What are your thoughts?
[Edited 2006-10-30 17:17:08]
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NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5894 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 12770 times:
It'll happen the question is when. Production slots are filling up fast and if EK orders 100 of them then that'll mean that AA and UA would have to wait a very long time.
Now add the possibility of the A350 not entering service until 2013-2015 then you add even more pressure for airlines to order the 787. I would even postulate to say that even US may order them is the A350 turns out to be a debacle a la A380.
I'm sure Boeing is keeping them apprised of the situation.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 32536 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 12721 times:
Quoting Eatmybologna (Reply 3): I have a hunch that UA might go for the A350 considering it'll have cockpit commonality with the current Airbus planes already in their fleet.
Except UA's entire widebody fleet is Boeing. And the A350-800 will be an even bigger jump in capacity from their 767-300s then the 787-8 would be. The A350-900 would be a 1:1 replacement for the 772ER fleet, but the 787-10 would give them a bit more room then either and would build on the 787-8. The 787-9 would also give UA some flexability on the routes that switch between the 772 and 763 depending on seasonal loads by being able to better "meet the average". And the 787-3 could conceivably replace their 763ER and 772A Hawaii fleets.
N328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6576 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 12608 times:
Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 5): I have inside sources that say UA and AA are ordering the 787. If DL was in good financial condition, they'd order a boatload of 787's.
Inside sources? I can see that being necessary with UA, but with AA, only the most ardent deniers believe that there is any chance of AA not getting the 787. It's perfect for them, and they have an allegiance to Boeing.
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UAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 12606 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 4): Except UA's entire widebody fleet is Boeing. And the A350-800 will be an even bigger jump in capacity from their 767-300s then the 787-8 would be. The A350-900 would be a 1:1 replacement for the 772ER fleet, but the 787-10 would give them a bit more room then either and would build on the 787-8. The 787-9 would also give UA some flexability on the routes that switch between the 772 and 763 depending on seasonal loads by being able to better "meet the average". And the 787-3 could conceivably replace their 763ER and 772A Hawaii fleets.
I have said before and say again, UA will order the 787 at some stage, the sooner the better and also the 747-8i. I cannot see those boys around the corner at Boeing seeing a major order from UA, the Chicago home town airline going to Airbus!
Ya, but my inside sources are saying it will be a few years before an aircraft order is seriously considered. Right now we're focused on prooving to the investment community that we can manage what great assets we have before running out and spending hundreds of millions more.
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ChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1624 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10882 times:
I think both carriers would like more of a back log before they order. They both have great planes and plenty of them. Granted, some interior work will be done here and there, but both need some time, no, lots of time, before committing to slots and then even more time before they get into the training facet of the new plane.
I look forward to the day AA orders the 787 and UA orders the 748 and 787.
AADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10611 times:
Just because United Services is bidding to become a 787 Gold Care provider does not necessarily mean UA is going to buy the 787. United Services does maintenance on the fleets of many airlines, including those of several overseas carriers while they are parked in the U.S.
United Services even has to bid to perform UA maintenance. UA and AA maintenance operate almost as independent companies.
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