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TAP To Order More A330s  
User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4178 posts, RR: 89
Posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7453 times:
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According to the following fair use excerpt TAP will seek "remedies" for the delayed A350 delivery and order additional A330s.

By Jonathan Stearns and Jeffrey T. Lewis
Oct. 30 (Bloomberg) -- TAP SGPS SA, Portugal's biggest airline, will ask Airbus SAS for ''remedies'' in compensation for the late delivery of A350 airplanes, TAP Chief Executive Officer Fernando Pinto said.

''We will have to be flying an airplane for longer now which is not as fuel efficient, so we are losing something,'' Pinto told an aviation club meeting today in Brussels. ''Of course, we intend to discuss this with Airbus.''

He said Lisbon-based TAP ''would be expecting to have a good negotiation on additional A330s that we'll have to buy because of this.''


[END - Fair use excerpt http://www.bloomberg.com ]

They most likely would have liked to have not cancelled the 2 they did earlier this year!

Regards, PanAm_DC10


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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6936 posts, RR: 63
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7449 times:

I wish they'd hurry up and select an engine. I mean, I wish they'd hurry up and select RR!  Smile

User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8969 posts, RR: 39
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7427 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
''We will have to be flying an airplane for longer now which is not as fuel efficient, so we are losing something,'' Pinto told an aviation club meeting today in Brussels. ''Of course, we intend to discuss this with Airbus.''

He said Lisbon-based TAP ''would be expecting to have a good negotiation on additional A330s that we'll have to buy because of this.''

Sounds like an excuse to me but hey - why not?

 Smile



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7309 times:
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Quoting PPVRA (Reply 2):
Sounds like an excuse to me but hey - why not?

Excuse or not, TP is really in need of more aircraft. They are planning a new route to BSB and need more frequencies to SSA, GIG and GRU urgently.

Felipe



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5790 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7253 times:

Boy these guys really don't like Boeing , don't they?


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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6936 posts, RR: 63
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7148 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 4):
Boy these guys really don't like Boeing , don't they?

Why couch it in negative terms? Might we as easily say that they do like Airbus? Should we say that Continental, for example, "don't like" Airbus? My guess is that airlines more often buy airliners for positive reasons rather than negative ones. Apart from anything, just which Boeing product could TAP buy that would give them the capability of the A330 in the same time frame?


User currently offlineN754PR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7074 times:

PM.... take care there. People are allowed to hate Airbus but NOT Boeing  Smile

User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6957 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 4):
Boy these guys really don't like Boeing , don't they?

What should they take from Boeing? Some 764? Besides, Airbus is the one to blame for the A350 delay, therefore TAP can negotiate a good compensation deal with Airbus, but not with Boeing. Considering that these are going to be intermediate aircraft, why give up fleet commonality, why buy planes that they can't sell afterwards (like 764), that are to expensive (777), or that come too late (787)?


User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6909 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
According to the following fair use excerpt TAP will seek "remedies" for the delayed A350 delivery and order additional A330s.

By Jonathan Stearns and Jeffrey T. Lewis
Oct. 30 (Bloomberg) -- TAP SGPS SA, Portugal's biggest airline, will ask Airbus SAS for ''remedies'' in compensation for the late delivery of A350 airplanes, TAP Chief Executive Officer Fernando Pinto said.

''We will have to be flying an airplane for longer now which is not as fuel efficient, so we are losing something,'' Pinto told an aviation club meeting today in Brussels. ''Of course, we intend to discuss this with Airbus.''

He said Lisbon-based TAP ''would be expecting to have a good negotiation on additional A330s that we'll have to buy because of this.''

[END - Fair use excerpt http://www.bloomberg.com ]

They most likely would have liked to have not cancelled the 2 they did earlier this year!

Regards, PanAm_DC10

This is excellent news PanAm_DC10. It also comes to reaffirm my belief that Tap prematurely cancelled those 2 A332's.

It sure is going to be very interesting to see what happens.

Quoting PM (Reply 1):
I wish they'd hurry up and select an engine. I mean, I wish they'd hurry up and select RR! Smile

Well PM, I have some bad news for you. They have opted for GE.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 3):

Excuse or not, TP is really in need of more aircraft. They are planning a new route to BSB and need more frequencies to SSA, GIG and GRU urgently.

That's correct LipeGIG. Africa is also in great need of extra capacity.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 4):
Boy these guys really don't like Boeing , don't they?

I personally don't see it this way. Tap Portugal actually had a great history with Boeing having operated the 707,727,737 and 747. It just happened that Airbus portfolio better suits Tap's need at this current time.

The A330 is still a very reliable , economical and versatile airplane.

Another reason that Tap won't be shifting towards Boeing in the short- medium term is the fact that Tap got a great deal with it's A330 fleet and it's future A350X.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineBY188B From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6896 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 7):
or that come too late (787)?

Like the A350 you mean?



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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6839 times:

Quoting BY188B (Reply 9):

Like the A350 you mean?

Well I believe that Thorben was referring to the B787. If Tap was to go for the B787 then they would also have to wait until 2012 to grab the next delivery slot.

Might as well get some additional A330's to fill the gap.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6807 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 10):
Well I believe that Thorben was referring to the B787. If Tap was to go for the B787 then they would also have to wait until 2012 to grab the next delivery slot.

Might as well get some additional A330's to fill the gap.

That's what I meant, thanks Wings.


User currently offlinePtknight From Portugal, joined Aug 2001, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6587 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 4):
Boy these guys really don't like Boeing , don't they?

Tell me about it! So many 777 ERs out there and nada


User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4178 posts, RR: 89
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6529 times:
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Quoting NYC777 (Reply 4):
Boy these guys really don't like Boeing , don't they?

Well I wouldn't say that exactly. I mean having been one of the few carriers which signed a firm order for the A350 they have some serious leverage over Airbus and the A330 is a fine machine. More A330s will augment their NB fleet quite well too.

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2182 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5523 times:

Quoting BY188B (Reply 9):
Quoting Thorben (Reply 7):or that come too late (787)?
Like the A350 you mean?

EIS in one thing, EIS at YOUR airline if you order them now is a different thing. This is the problem with the 787, it is full booked and hence now difficult to get.



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6936 posts, RR: 63
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4096 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 8):
Well PM, I have some bad news for you. They have opted for GE.

 yuck  Has that been officially announced yet?


User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4055 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 15):
   Has that been officially announced yet?

I am baffled by your RR partisanship. What is the origin of your condition?



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6936 posts, RR: 63
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3971 times:

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 16):
I am baffled by your RR partisanship. What is the origin of your condition?

It was born, I think, in the dark days of the early 1980s when RR was a distant third in the race and seemed the perpetual underdog. RR sales on widebodies were few and far between while PW and GE dominated. I was irresistably drawn to the 'little fellow' gamely squaring up to his much bigger rivals.

Things have changed now, of course, but in the remaining duopoly RR is still the underdog snapping at the heels of the monolithic GE machine. It's hard not to root for David against Goliath.

Anyway, that's what my therapist tells me...  Wink


User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3882 times:

Well from information that I have obtained, Tap is in negotiations for 3-5 A330's. The number of A330's to be ordered will depend on arrival of the A350X. If Airbus manages to deliver the A350X towards 2012 the number will be for around 3 frames. In case Airbus pushes back delivery of the A350X then the number should raise to 4-5 frames.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineRicardoFG From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 677 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3710 times:

Isnt there a HiFly A333 sitting in SYD right now for the taking? Why doesnt TP go and takeover the lease of now defunct HiFly...wouldnt even have to re-regy it.

User currently offlineRaggi From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 1001 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3681 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 17):
It's hard not to root for David against Goliath.

If we're talking strictly about the A330, RR is the Goliath and GE is David.
The CF6 looks splendid on the A330 IMO, so any new orders are welcome.
Apart from the L1011s, TP widebodies have mostly been GE, except now the leased PW 332s.
So them selecting GE was not that surprising.


raggi



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