HB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4414 posts, RR: 76 Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3798 times:
Although the South Korean market is very mature as it is and by far not as booming as the Chinese domestic and international markets, Busan seems to be a emerging center of commerce so the start of services there by Lufthansa doesn't really come as a surprise. Also interesting to see that the airline continue to pioneer its secondary hub in the opening of entirely new longhaul destinations, as it has done multiple times before as with Guangzhou (now served from Frankfurt) and Charlotte.
I seem to remember that Lufthansa was looking at serving Mumbair from its MUC hub, although those plans might very well have changed giving the increasing competition and saturation of the Europe-India routes.
There are some scheduling options, but I wouldn't be surprised if the flight were to operate according to a double overnight operational pattern, with an evening departure from MUC and afternoon arrivals in ICN and later BUS. Return will likely occur in the late hours of the evening from ICN and make for a very early arrival in MUC. Something like this:
Sr176 From Switzerland, joined Feb 2001, 408 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3631 times:
What comes to me a bit as a surprise is that the new flight does not connect with the FRA flight to form a mini-hub. On the other hand it looks as this is the first night flight from ICN to Europe. Surely interesting for business travellers.
UpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3601 times:
Quoting Sr176 (Reply 4): What comes to me a bit as a surprise is that the new flight does not connect with the FRA flight to form a mini-hub. On the other hand it looks as this is the first night flight from ICN to Europe. Surely interesting for business travellers.
HB-IWC was just guessing. It should definitely connect with the FRA flight at ICN so that the ICN-BUS sector wouldn't fly 3/4 empty.
HB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4414 posts, RR: 76 Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3515 times:
Quoting UpperDeck79 (Reply 5): It should definitely connect with the FRA flight at ICN so that the ICN-BUS sector wouldn't fly 3/4 empty
Not necessarily true. When Lufthansa started Guangzhou, the MUC PVG CAN flight did also not connect with the existing FRA PVG pattern. Rather Lufthansa chose to offer a flight at a totally different time of the day so as to offer additional choice to its customers, not to mention the option of an overnight westbound flight. I'm guessing that the same might happen with the ICN BUS setup. There is no need to guarantee connectivity with the FRA flight at ICN, as MUC is a full blown hub with enought connectivity to support such a flight.
Coronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1590 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3331 times:
Somehow it gives me hope that LH would start a flight like this. It may indicate they are willing to do the same for somewhere like...let's say SAN!!!
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4719 posts, RR: 15 Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3143 times:
Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 7): Somehow it gives me hope that LH would start a flight like this. It may indicate they are willing to do the same for somewhere like...let's say SAN!!!
Here, here! I second that idea!
Prior to the much-anticipated arrival of the 787, this is a great way to serve markets that can't provide the numbers, due either to market size or operational limitations, to sustain n/s service on their own.
San747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4934 posts, RR: 13 Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3104 times:
Quoting SANFan (Reply 8): Prior to the much-anticipated arrival of the 787, this is a great way to serve markets that can't provide the numbers, due either to market size or operational limitations, to sustain n/s service on their own.
Keep thinking "tag-ons", LH!
I would definitely love to see that happen at SAN, the real question is: can it actually be done? I've heard tag-ons aren't so attractive to many airlines anymore because of staffing- you'd have to keep a crew based at the intermediate point just for the one flight...
I'm sure it works for ICN, because they already fly there, so maybe LH could pull off a Germany-XXX-SAN flight if they pick XXX to be somewhere they already fly... PDX? JFK? DFW? DEN?
Coronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1590 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3057 times:
Quoting San747 (Reply 9): I'm sure it works for ICN, because they already fly there, so maybe LH could pull off a Germany-XXX-SAN flight if they pick XXX to be somewhere they already fly... PDX? JFK? DFW? DEN?
Or re-instate PHX. Make a few folks happy over there as well I bet.
Qazar From Canada, joined May 2006, 311 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3046 times:
I'm very surprised... Of all new destinations to be started by Lufthansa, Pusan wouldn't have even made it in my top 10 guesses... I would have thought Nanjing, Karachi, Colombo, Dacca, Dakar, Rio, Bogota, Lima, Guadalajara, Phoenix, Seattle, Las Vegas, San Diego, Calgary, Edmonton, Fukuoka, Sapporo... I would have even put Harare and Windhoek ahead of Pusan... OK so that makes 18 guesses!!! Geez, I would have even put Santiago, Nairobi and Dar Es Salam, as complements to LX, before BUS...
Good for them!!! I'm looking forward to checking out how the route will perform. Any codeshare with Asiana by any chance?
Qazar From Canada, joined May 2006, 311 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2458 times:
LH network in the Far East:
From Frankfurt - 20 cities:
Tokyo, Osaka, Nagoya, Seoul, Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Hong Kong, Singapore, Bangkok, Jakarta, Kuala Lumpur, Ho Chi Minh City, Manila, Delhi, Mumbai, Chennai, Bangalore, Hyderabad, Kolkatta.
From Munich - 7 cities:
Tokyo, Shanghai, Beijing, Hong Kong, Seoul, Pusan, Delhi
Am I forgetting something? I think LH's operations out of MUC is larger than most European national airlines.
What do you think their next Asian expansion will take them?
Jimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2398 times:
Quoting Qazar (Reply 15): What do you think their next Asian expansion will take them?
Chengdu, Dalian (or Shenyang) has been on the radar list for a while. Chinese media already reporting Lufthansa will launch Chengdu flight when LH only sent delegates to examine the possibility.
MCOGVADCA From China, joined Oct 2006, 442 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2341 times:
Dalian? really? I'm really curious about this, I'd love to see it! However, I'd think Qingdao would be ahead of Dalian? But surely cities such as Chengdu (especially in light of KLM's recent success with Chengdu-AMS) and Shenyang, will see service before the aforementioned coastal cities. though I'd put Nanjing towards the bottom of the 'likelihood' list, mostly due to its proximity to the Shang.
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HB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4414 posts, RR: 76 Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1800 times:
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 3): There are some scheduling options, but I wouldn't be surprised if the flight were to operate according to a double overnight operational pattern, with an evening departure from MUC and afternoon arrivals in ICN and later BUS. Return will likely occur in the late hours of the evening from ICN and make for a very early arrival in MUC. Something like this:
MUC - 2130
ICN - 1500
ICN - 1630
BUS - 1730
BUS - 2130
ICN - 2230
ICN - 0000
MUC - 0500
Quoting Sr176 (Reply 4): What comes to me a bit as a surprise is that the new flight does not connect with the FRA flight to form a mini-hub. On the other hand it looks as this is the first night flight from ICN to Europe. Surely interesting for business travellers.
Quoting UpperDeck79 (Reply 5): HB-IWC was just guessing. It should definitely connect with the FRA flight at ICN so that the ICN-BUS sector wouldn't fly 3/4 empty.
Well, the schedules for the new flight have now been announced, and it seems as if I was right by predicting that the flight would operate according to a double overnight operational pattern (so completely different from the existing daily FRA ICN service). Here are the schedules:
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