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Lufthansa MUC-SEOUL-PUSAN Summer 07  
User currently offlineBolu340 From Spain, joined Jan 2006, 46 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4688 times:

It has been confirmed today. Lufthansa will start flying 3 times a week with Summer schedule 07 MUC-SEOUL-PUSAN with A343.

Great news for MUC and there is more to come......

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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4480 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4646 times:

Although the South Korean market is very mature as it is and by far not as booming as the Chinese domestic and international markets, Busan seems to be a emerging center of commerce so the start of services there by Lufthansa doesn't really come as a surprise. Also interesting to see that the airline continue to pioneer its secondary hub in the opening of entirely new longhaul destinations, as it has done multiple times before as with Guangzhou (now served from Frankfurt) and Charlotte.

I seem to remember that Lufthansa was looking at serving Mumbair from its MUC hub, although those plans might very well have changed giving the increasing competition and saturation of the Europe-India routes.


User currently offlineUpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4602 times:

I'd love to see the schedule.

They won't have traffic rights for the domestic sector, right?



AY and ANA rock!
User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4480 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4569 times:

Quoting UpperDeck79 (Reply 2):
I'd love to see the schedule

There are some scheduling options, but I wouldn't be surprised if the flight were to operate according to a double overnight operational pattern, with an evening departure from MUC and afternoon arrivals in ICN and later BUS. Return will likely occur in the late hours of the evening from ICN and make for a very early arrival in MUC. Something like this:

MUC - 2130
ICN - 1500
ICN - 1630
BUS - 1730

BUS - 2130
ICN - 2230
ICN - 0000
MUC - 0500


User currently offlineSr176 From Switzerland, joined Feb 2001, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4479 times:

What comes to me a bit as a surprise is that the new flight does not connect with the FRA flight to form a mini-hub. On the other hand it looks as this is the first night flight from ICN to Europe. Surely interesting for business travellers.

User currently offlineUpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4449 times:

Quoting Sr176 (Reply 4):
What comes to me a bit as a surprise is that the new flight does not connect with the FRA flight to form a mini-hub. On the other hand it looks as this is the first night flight from ICN to Europe. Surely interesting for business travellers.

HB-IWC was just guessing. It should definitely connect with the FRA flight at ICN so that the ICN-BUS sector wouldn't fly 3/4 empty.



AY and ANA rock!
User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4480 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4363 times:

Quoting UpperDeck79 (Reply 5):
It should definitely connect with the FRA flight at ICN so that the ICN-BUS sector wouldn't fly 3/4 empty

Not necessarily true. When Lufthansa started Guangzhou, the MUC PVG CAN flight did also not connect with the existing FRA PVG pattern. Rather Lufthansa chose to offer a flight at a totally different time of the day so as to offer additional choice to its customers, not to mention the option of an overnight westbound flight. I'm guessing that the same might happen with the ICN BUS setup. There is no need to guarantee connectivity with the FRA flight at ICN, as MUC is a full blown hub with enought connectivity to support such a flight.


User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1593 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4179 times:

Somehow it gives me hope that LH would start a flight like this. It may indicate they are willing to do the same for somewhere like...let's say SAN!!!


Uncle SAN at your service!
User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5229 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3991 times:

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 7):
Somehow it gives me hope that LH would start a flight like this. It may indicate they are willing to do the same for somewhere like...let's say SAN!!!

Here, here!  Smile I second that idea!

Prior to the much-anticipated arrival of the 787, this is a great way to serve markets that can't provide the numbers, due either to market size or operational limitations, to sustain n/s service on their own.

Keep thinking "tag-ons", LH!

bb


User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4939 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3952 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 8):
Prior to the much-anticipated arrival of the 787, this is a great way to serve markets that can't provide the numbers, due either to market size or operational limitations, to sustain n/s service on their own.

Keep thinking "tag-ons", LH!

I would definitely love to see that happen at SAN, the real question is: can it actually be done? I've heard tag-ons aren't so attractive to many airlines anymore because of staffing- you'd have to keep a crew based at the intermediate point just for the one flight...

I'm sure it works for ICN, because they already fly there, so maybe LH could pull off a Germany-XXX-SAN flight if they pick XXX to be somewhere they already fly... PDX? JFK? DFW? DEN?



Scotty doesn't know...
User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1593 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3905 times:

Quoting San747 (Reply 9):
I'm sure it works for ICN, because they already fly there, so maybe LH could pull off a Germany-XXX-SAN flight if they pick XXX to be somewhere they already fly... PDX? JFK? DFW? DEN?

Or re-instate PHX. Make a few folks happy over there as well I bet.



Uncle SAN at your service!
User currently offlineQazar From Canada, joined May 2006, 324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3894 times:

I'm very surprised... Of all new destinations to be started by Lufthansa, Pusan wouldn't have even made it in my top 10 guesses... I would have thought Nanjing, Karachi, Colombo, Dacca, Dakar, Rio, Bogota, Lima, Guadalajara, Phoenix, Seattle, Las Vegas, San Diego, Calgary, Edmonton, Fukuoka, Sapporo... I would have even put Harare and Windhoek ahead of Pusan... OK so that makes 18 guesses!!! Geez, I would have even put Santiago, Nairobi and Dar Es Salam, as complements to LX, before BUS...

Good for them!!! I'm looking forward to checking out how the route will perform. Any codeshare with Asiana by any chance?

PS: HB-IWC... Where have you been?


User currently offlineFlymunich From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3706 times:

This new Lufthansa flights go to 5 times a week from winter 07/08.
Later Lufthansa plans daily flights on this route.


User currently offlineAJO From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 575 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3528 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 3):
MUC - 2130
ICN - 1500
ICN - 1630
BUS - 1730

BUS - 2130
ICN - 2230
ICN - 0000
MUC - 0500

IATA code for Pusan/Busan is actually PUS, BUS is Batumi, Georgia



Ryanair: never again!
User currently offlineFly2YYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1030 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3498 times:

Its too bad this flight cannot operate a triangle: MUC-ICN-BUS-MUC

Wonder how this flight will do, hopefully well!


User currently offlineQazar From Canada, joined May 2006, 324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3306 times:

LH network in the Far East:

From Frankfurt - 20 cities:
Tokyo, Osaka, Nagoya, Seoul, Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Hong Kong, Singapore, Bangkok, Jakarta, Kuala Lumpur, Ho Chi Minh City, Manila, Delhi, Mumbai, Chennai, Bangalore, Hyderabad, Kolkatta.

From Munich - 7 cities:
Tokyo, Shanghai, Beijing, Hong Kong, Seoul, Pusan, Delhi

Am I forgetting something? I think LH's operations out of MUC is larger than most European national airlines.

What do you think their next Asian expansion will take them?


User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3246 times:

Quoting Qazar (Reply 15):
What do you think their next Asian expansion will take them?

Chengdu, Dalian (or Shenyang) has been on the radar list for a while. Chinese media already reporting Lufthansa will launch Chengdu flight when LH only sent delegates to examine the possibility.


User currently offlineUpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3201 times:

Quoting Qazar (Reply 15):
From Munich - 7 cities:
Tokyo, Shanghai, Beijing, Hong Kong, Seoul, Pusan, Delhi

Am I forgetting something? I think LH's operations out of MUC is larger than most European national airlines.

At least not larger than AY's from HEL  Smile :

Tokyo, Osaka, Nagoya, Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Hong Kong, Delhi, Singapore, Bangkok, Kuala Lumpur (from May 2007).



AY and ANA rock!
User currently offlineMCOGVADCA From China, joined Oct 2006, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3189 times:

Dalian? really? I'm really curious about this, I'd love to see it! However, I'd think Qingdao would be ahead of Dalian? But surely cities such as Chengdu (especially in light of KLM's recent success with Chengdu-AMS) and Shenyang, will see service before the aforementioned coastal cities. though I'd put Nanjing towards the bottom of the 'likelihood' list, mostly due to its proximity to the Shang.


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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4675 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2925 times:

Great news !

Quoting Flymunich (Reply 12):
This new Lufthansa flights go to 5 times a week from winter 07/08.
Later Lufthansa plans daily flights on this route.

How did you know before that these flights would start ??? Heck, welcome to my RU list !



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2894 times:

Quoting MCOGVADCA (Reply 18):
Dalian? really? I'm really curious about this, I'd love to see it! However, I'd think Qingdao would be ahead of Dalian?

Never heard any news about Qingdao being eyed by any european carriers.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4480 posts, RR: 72
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2648 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 3):
There are some scheduling options, but I wouldn't be surprised if the flight were to operate according to a double overnight operational pattern, with an evening departure from MUC and afternoon arrivals in ICN and later BUS. Return will likely occur in the late hours of the evening from ICN and make for a very early arrival in MUC. Something like this:

MUC - 2130
ICN - 1500
ICN - 1630
BUS - 1730

BUS - 2130
ICN - 2230
ICN - 0000
MUC - 0500



Quoting Sr176 (Reply 4):
What comes to me a bit as a surprise is that the new flight does not connect with the FRA flight to form a mini-hub. On the other hand it looks as this is the first night flight from ICN to Europe. Surely interesting for business travellers.



Quoting UpperDeck79 (Reply 5):
HB-IWC was just guessing. It should definitely connect with the FRA flight at ICN so that the ICN-BUS sector wouldn't fly 3/4 empty.

Well, the schedules for the new flight have now been announced, and it seems as if I was right by predicting that the flight would operate according to a double overnight operational pattern (so completely different from the existing daily FRA ICN service). Here are the schedules:

LH718 MUC ICN 2130 1510 - A343 Mon/Thu/Sat
LH718 ICN PUS 1610 1715 - A343 Tue/Fri/Sun

LH719 PUS ICN 2140 2250 - A343 Tue/Fri/Sun
LH719 ICN MUC 0020 0530 - A343 Mon/Wed/Sat


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